Joe Gomez will need to buck recent 'young LFC centre back' trend

None of the three options accurately describe my opinion and, having already received a fridge magnet, I feel no need to refrain from saying so.

I'd never heard of him a week ago so can't comment on the player. As long as we don't make half a dozen of these signings it shouldn't make much of a financial impact on our ability to sign players for the first team. My issue is what we do now. I can't see us selling Lovren, and we've given Toure a new deal. Both are fucking shite, and both are going to prevent this kid (and Ilori) from getting much football for us.

 

 

but teams hoping to compete for honours usually go with experience in the middle of the defence

True, but does that actually describe us any more? It's a perfect opportunity to be giving young players a chance. When your four centre backs are Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, and Skrtel and your aspirations are to challenge for the League and/or Champions League you can understand youngsters not getting a go. When "5th is par", and the beyond robust review of an utterly fucking shit season concludes that the bloke that puts the cones out for training should be replaced, isn't now the time to be taking some chances? It's not like all the experienced players in our squad are really good, and especially not with our 3rd and 4th choice centrebacks. I guess one problem is the perceived proximity of Rodgers and his P45. He is unlikely to look beyond the end of the month.

Does it describe us any more? Probably not in terms of how we see it, but that's not really the issue. Rodgers will feel like he needs to win games to keep his job, and when managers are under that kind of pressure they rarely throw kids in, especially in positions such as centre back or goalkeeper.

It's easy throwing an exciting young winger into the team, often it can give everyone a bit of a pick me up. They never do it with centre backs though. It's not just us either, hardly any side in the top half will do it, and even those at the bottom will go for experience too.

Hell, Coates couldn't even get a game at Sunderland until Advocaat took over!

I understand why it happens, it's very difficult to allow a young centre back to play and make his mistakes in the first team as those mistakes are usually far more costly than when a midfielder or forward makes them.

Even if this lad is brilliant he may find it hard to get a game for a good few years. Centre backs get better with age and I could still see Wisdom being a really good player when he's 26 or 27. The problem is they have to cut their teeth somewhere to get to that level, and we're not usually the place for them to do that.

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Yeah, I get that, I said as much, but Toure and Lovren are fucking terrible. It's not like when we'd have someone like Hyypia that could come into the side (in his last season or so).

We have experienced players that simply aren't good enough. They can't be relied upon.

Real Madrid played Varane. Gimenez at Atletico. Even Mourinho gave that kid Zouma quite a few games.

We can't be (I'm not suggesting you are, I mean the club) surprised when Coates, Ilori, San Jose etc get to 20-22 and we're still not really sure if they're good enough. We never take a chance to find out.

Yeah, I get that, I said as much, but Toure and Lovren are fucking terrible. It's not like when we'd have someone like Hyypia that could come into the side (in his last season or so).

 

We have experienced players that simply aren't good enough. They can't be relied upon.

 

Real Madrid played Varane. Gimenez at Atletico. Even Mourinho gave that kid Zouma quite a few games.

 

We can't be (I'm not suggesting you are, I mean the club) surprised when Coates, Ilori, San Jose etc get to 20-22 and we're still not really sure if they're good enough. We never take a chance to find out.

Watched Illori tonight, very good. Solid, won headers against Kane, read the game well and had enough pace to never get turned.

"It’s been suggested that he may be loaned back to Charlton next season"

And so it begins.

Wish he'd fuck off.

Can't believe we renewed with Toure. His spot needed to go to Illori, with Lovren in the last chance saloon this coming season. I'm OK with signing the kid from Charlton, but we need a better strategy, and hanging on to old cackers like Toure, even if they are decent blokes, is not the way to go about our business as it clogs the system up.

Watched Illori tonight, very good. Solid, won headers against Kane, read the game well and had enough pace to never get turned.

You mean Llori.

Ilori boys, Ilori.

With regards to Gomez, is he really going to hit the required level by being loaned back to a Championship club. Would we not be better seeing if a PL team wanted to loan him?

Ilori boys, Ilori.

"It’s been suggested that he may be loaned back to Charlton next season"

 

And so it begins.

We will be offering them 2m to bring him back in January after Sakho is ruled out for 6 months, Kolo has been embarrassed and done for pace by Charlie Adam playing as an emergency striker and after Lovren is shot and deported after being roasted by Watfords u18 striker.

Yeah, I get that, I said as much, but Toure and Lovren are fucking terrible. It's not like when we'd have someone like Hyypia that could come into the side (in his last season or so).

 

We have experienced players that simply aren't good enough. They can't be relied upon.

I agree, but as long as they're here they'll always get the nod over a youngster. It's infuriating but it won't change.

Can't believe we renewed with Toure. His spot needed to go to Illori, with Lovren in the last chance saloon this coming season. I'm OK with signing the kid from Charlton, but we need a better strategy, and hanging on to old cackers like Toure, even if they are decent blokes, is not the way to go about our business as it clogs the system up.

Absolutely. Renewing Kolo was a waste of time and resources, because as long as he's here he'll be higher in the pecking order than the younger players. I wouldn't mind if he was any good but he's not, he's a train wreck in half the games he plays.

With regards to Gomez, is he really going to hit the required level by being loaned back to a Championship club. Would we not be better seeing if a PL team wanted to loan him?

No point though, they'd take him and promise us that he'd play, then as soon as they had a bad result or he had a bad game, he'd be on the bench and confined to League Cup duty.

If there's one sector of the market where we have done well in recent years overall, it's snapping up young English talent.

As Dave said in the article - Sterling, Shelvey & Ibe have been successes and we have some great prospects coming through in Ojo, Jerome Sinclair, Herbie Kane & Yan Dhanda who were all picked up from other academies.

I thought we had moved away from this strategy when we let Spurs take Dele Alli after scouting him for ages and this could bite us in the ass one day because I think he could be a real star.

So buying Joe Gomes is good news for me, if he is as good as they say at this age then we should aim to bring him through like Everton have done with John Stones, starting him in games at full back and the odd Cup game at centre back before giving him his chance to claim a first team place on merit.

Never heard of the cunt.

Herbie Kane? Who and what the fuck is that? If he does well I bet he looks for a move to Monte Carlo.

Deal now confirmed on the official site

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/latest-news/187359-reds-complete-joe-gomez-transfer

I assume he'll be loaned back in the coming weeks.

At this juncture, I'd rather £3.5m went to bringing in someone who had a coherent plan for how to tie youth development to the senior team.

best defender ever, nailed on for world.player of the year this year.

A good signing in my opinion but he will be 2nd choice at RB under Clyne or whoever we bring in to replace Johnson and a bench option as a sub at CB.

He looks shit

We have been very successful signing young English players lately so I'm optimistic signing another one who was wanted by a few other top clubs.

He comes with some impressive testimonials.

Wish him all the best.

Got no issue with the club signing the best youngsters it's all the millions they waste on shite that's the problem