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One win is all it takes - by John Brennan

May the 22nd, 2022. AM. The morning before the Wolves match. ‘Two games from greatness.’ August the 22nd, 2022, PM. The mourning after the United ‘match’. ‘Two games from a crisis.’ Life and football sure comes at us quickly.

 

Three months on from a week that almost saw us break all records—the Reds were only a Villa capitulation (yeah, I know) and a Courtois man-of-the-match performance away from the greatest season in our or anyone’s history—and while all may not be doom and gloom, there’s definitely lots of anxiety about.

 

While the ‘two games from greatness’ line still rings true, the ‘two games from a crisis’ is far-fetched. Make no mistake, should we fail to beat Bournemouth on Saturday, alarm bells will and should be ringing (they already are for some). But a pile-on on this group of players and management given their credentials would be misplaced, I think. 

 

Of course, there should be no hiding away from the dreadful start we’ve made to the season, nor has there been. Klopp was the first to call out the players for their non-display against Fulham. Hendo also referred to it in his Palace programme notes. Robbo fronted up after the United match and said our football hasn’t been good enough. The players have been generally poor individually, with only one or two coming away with any credit, Elliott and Carvalho, promisingly, amongst them. 

 

When those who have been the poorest have been some of our most important players over recent years, it’s bound to have an effect. Van Dijk, Trent and Fabinho are three who need to buck up their act, and quickly. Along with Alisson, much of our success under Klopp has been built on these three: the spine of the team Alisson, Van Dijk and Fabinho, the menace of Trent (and Robbo). That’s not there at the moment—the individual performances of these players, usually 8 or 9 out of 10s, are down around 5 or 6. You can afford to have one or two players below par, not four or five. When that happens, as it did against Fulham and United, the result is inevitable.

 

It just feels like we’re not playing games on our terms yet. We’ve been lacking in invention with the ball (we had 70% possession against United but nothing to really show for it) and off the pace in terms of our pressing without it. I’m not sure there’s much of a market for Lethargy: Inside Liverpool FC: Our Story. There’s a way to lose and coming second to a notoriously lazy United team in terms of intensity is not one of them…

 

Going behind early is definitely a problem we need to fix. It’s happened seven times in a row now so there is something to it. However, we did win three of those and drew three, so there’s a lot to be said for the team’s character, still. Going ahead, as the boys referred to in the podcast, just changes the dynamic: teams have to come at us and we are usually so good at picking them off. That’s not disappeared overnight—we just need to get back to doing what we’ve done so well for years. 

 

This group is essentially the one we achieved greatness with, minus Sadio. I have every faith that this is a mere blip and that we’re going to click sooner rather than later. Just harp back to 18/19, 19/20 and 21/22 (the COVID-affected season being an obvious outlier).

 

Apart from the trophies – The European Cup, the League Title, the FA Cup, the League Cup (and two European Cup finals), just look at the statistics.

21/22. 147 goals! 94 of those in the League. That’s an average of just about 2.5 goals a game. 49 out of 57 points at Anfield. 63 games out of a possible 63 played. A goal difference of +99 in all competitions! That’s astounding. That’s what these boys are capable of. Still. 

 

97, 99, 92 points in the League in those three seasons. And all this while playing the best football most of us have ever seen. We would have three League Titles had we not been up

against perennial cheats. 

 

We’ve been blighted by injuries, too. That’s no excuse for the performances this season, we should have had enough to beat the three teams we played, but it doesn’t help. A bigger squad keeps everyone on their toes—we are threadbare so most of them know they are going to play. Performances are going to pick up, these players are too good to not bounce back. Other players are going to start coming back from injury and we’ll have more options.

 

Konaté / Matip will improve us; Jones needs to produce a big season; Jota got 21 goals last season; Nunez will surely come good—Klopp deserves to be trusted on him, given his transfer dealings. Diaz will get better and better. Mo will continue to be prolific. 

 

The Reds have two home fixtures in a row, a chance to get the show back on the road before the derby. There are no guarantees of course, but we couldn’t have asked for a better fixture list—two home games in quick succession followed by the derby where intensity should be a given. Fast starts are vital, as Robbo alluded too, all the more so as that nervousness in the crowd could seep through to the lads, whose confidence is at a low ebb. 

 

Let’s see where we are three months down the line, on the 12th of November, before the break for the World Cup. We’ll have played 16 and I bet the doom and gloom will have lifted as this team gets back to what it does best, winning and entertaining. 

 

John Brennan


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No - sorry.

 

Whilst clearly well intentioned this is thinly veiled cheer leading - ok supporters should support, but this article brushes over/ignores the problems we have - the issues we have with for example asking players to do jobs they can't do anymore to the level they could (Hendo/Milner/Firmino for example) - the structural/tactical issues that creates - how teams have worked that out and are now exposing those glaring weaknesses.

 

It isn't just going to come good because these players are too good for it not to.

 

We need changes and we need to be ruthless in making those changes - we need athletic players with legs in our midfield so we can get back to effectively playing in the way that made us successful.....until we make those changes we are IMHO going to continue to struggle....it won't of course be as bad as it is now all the time, but it won't be anywhere near enough to be where we were or want to be.

 

Too many ageing, injury prone players and kids being asked to make massive jumps in roles they are arguably not naturals at is a mix that is wrong....we have sleep walked into it through not adding enough peak/prime/reliable midfield options to the squad. Henderson's legs have gone - Thiago is not going to suddenly stay fit, same for Keita.....Milner great servant but it really should have been 'thanks for everything but time is up' this summer.....As for Oxlade the less said the better......after that Fabinho aside who is literally our only at his peak/prime midfielder we are looking at Jones and the kids..

 

It isn't enough.....and it won't be enough.

 

Take the mancs 2nd goal last night....TAA puts in a long ball and the mancs clear it....a couple of seasons ago Henderson mops it up no sweat and we have a transition and probably punish them - instead last night his lack of athleticism and inability to pick up a loose ball means half our team is out of position and we get played through.....goal. It is happening more and more and so often Alisson has saved us, it will keep happening and keep happening and it will cost us pts.

 

People talk about our press being off because of a lack of intensity - it isn't intensity it is being physically incapable of doing it how it was once done....Firmino and Hendo are perfect examples of that.....they just haven't got the legs - they are not getting there and they are labouring and teams are exploiting the time and space that they are getting as a result....that is not just magically fixed because we were good at it and won stuff before....When a fighters legs go they are gone!

 

If we add to the midfield then we may well be ok....as it is this current squad battles for top 4 at best.

 

Our rivals have all improved and in some cases by a fair bit i reckon - we have stood still.

 

 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, an tha said:

No - sorry.

 

Whilst clearly well intentioned this is thinly veiled cheer leading - ok supporters should support, but this article brushes over/ignores the problems we have - the issues we have with for example asking players to do jobs they can't do anymore to the level they could (Hendo/Milner/Firmino for example) - the structural/tactical issues that creates - how teams have worked that out and are now exposing those glaring weaknesses.

 

It isn't just going to come good because these players are too good for it not to.

 

We need changes and we need to be ruthless in making those changes - we need athletic players with legs in our midfield so we can get back to effectively playing in the way that made us successful.....until we make those changes we are IMHO going to continue to struggle....it won't of course be as bad as it is now all the time, but it won't be anywhere near enough to be where we were or want to be.

 

Too many ageing, injury prone players and kids being asked to make massive jumps in roles they are arguably not naturals at is a mix that is wrong....we have sleep walked into it through not adding enough peak/prime/reliable midfield options to the squad. Henderson's legs have gone - Thiago is not going to suddenly stay fit, same for Keita.....Milner great servant but it really should have been 'thanks for everything but time is up' this summer.....As for Oxlade the less said the better......after that Fabinho aside who is literally our only at his peak/prime midfielder we are looking at Jones and the kids..

 

It isn't enough.....and it won't be enough.

 

If we add to the midfield then we may well be ok....as it is this current squad battles for top 4 at best.

 

Our rivals have all improved and in some cases by a fair bit i reckon - we have stood still.

 

 

 

 

Hope that was intentional. An absolute kill shot.

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I reckon this season will be like the lockdown season. Lots of lethargic and disjointed performances. The demands of a Klopp team can't be met season after season - particularly with the players we have. I've resigned myself to this being a frustrating season of transition. 

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10 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Hope that was intentional. An absolute kill shot.

I'd love to claim it.....Sadly it wasn't....i have just clocked what you mean though.

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14 minutes ago, an tha said:

.it won't of course be as bad as it is now all the time

Holders of two Cups.

Runners-up by a point in the League to serial cheaters.

European Cup finalists.

"Bad" times.

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3 minutes ago, johnb said:

Holders of two Cups.

Runners-up by a point in the League to serial cheaters.

European Cup finalists.

"Bad" times.

By now i obviously mean the current run of form this season.

 

As for the runners up shouts though...."2nd is nothing" - W. Shankly.

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It's three games though. Only one of which we lost.

 

I'm not pretending I'm not worried, but it's not panic stations yet. Have to win the next three though.

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Hopefully Anfield is bouncing on Saturday, need to try and boost the players. A performance or two will help massively. We still should get someone in, but sitting there moaning won't help anyone.

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1 hour ago, Rushies tash said:

I reckon this season will be like the lockdown season. Lots of lethargic and disjointed performances. The demands of a Klopp team can't be met season after season - particularly with the players we have. I've resigned myself to this being a frustrating season of transition. 

I hope I'm wrong, but that's how I see it the way games have played out so far. @Reckoner- maybe you can enlighten me as to your thoughts and opinions.

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It's either feast or famine for some.

 

I think the team is still getting to grips of playing without Sadio. Mo doesnt seem to be getting in on goal as much. Clearly, the loss of Nunez on Monday night affected our plans but even if he'd have played, would the effort we put in have been as poor?

 

Both the fulham and united away games we started poorly. It wasnt a surprise when Fulham scored and it wasnt a surprise when united did. But to be honest, I can think of numerous games against city and others where we've been slow out of the traps at the start of the game and start of the second half. It's not just a this season thing.

 

The loss of key players to injury plus Sadio, Div and Taki leaving has a massive impact. Anyone thinking Curtis is going to make a big difference is going to be disappointed in my humble opinion.

 

We arent going to get the injured players back soon, Darwin will be the first returneebut even he wont be back until after the Newcastle game.  The players need to up their game especially the first 20 minutes of each half.

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4 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

It's either feast or famine for some.

 

I think the team is still getting to grips of playing without Sadio. Mo doesnt seem to be getting in on goal as much. Clearly, the loss of Nunez on Monday night affected our plans but even if he'd have played, would the effort we put in have been as poor?

 

Both the fulham and united away games we started poorly. It wasnt a surprise when Fulham scored and it wasnt a surprise when united did. But to be honest, I can think of numerous games against city and others where we've been slow out of the traps at the start of the game and start of the second half. It's not just a this season thing.

 

The loss of key players to injury plus Sadio, Div and Taki leaving has a massive impact. Anyone thinking Curtis is going to make a big difference is going to be disappointed in my humble opinion.

 

We arent going to get the injured players back soon, Darwin will be the first returneebut even he wont be back until after the Newcastle game.  The players need to up their game especially the first 20 minutes of each half.

Neither feast nor famine for me. I reckon we'll make top four but it'll be a bit of a slog - like the lockdown season. A few players look to be fucked and need a rest and others need moving on. There's also a core of exciting / world class players to build around so plenty of reasons to remain positive.

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4 hours ago, an tha said:

No - sorry.

 

Whilst clearly well intentioned this is thinly veiled cheer leading - ok supporters should support, but this article brushes over/ignores the problems we have - the issues we have with for example asking players to do jobs they can't do anymore to the level they could (Hendo/Milner/Firmino for example) - the structural/tactical issues that creates - how teams have worked that out and are now exposing those glaring weaknesses.

 

It isn't just going to come good because these players are too good for it not to.

 

We need changes and we need to be ruthless in making those changes - we need athletic players with legs in our midfield so we can get back to effectively playing in the way that made us successful.....until we make those changes we are IMHO going to continue to struggle....it won't of course be as bad as it is now all the time, but it won't be anywhere near enough to be where we were or want to be.

 

Too many ageing, injury prone players and kids being asked to make massive jumps in roles they are arguably not naturals at is a mix that is wrong....we have sleep walked into it through not adding enough peak/prime/reliable midfield options to the squad. Henderson's legs have gone - Thiago is not going to suddenly stay fit, same for Keita.....Milner great servant but it really should have been 'thanks for everything but time is up' this summer.....As for Oxlade the less said the better......after that Fabinho aside who is literally our only at his peak/prime midfielder we are looking at Jones and the kids..

 

It isn't enough.....and it won't be enough.

 

Take the mancs 2nd goal last night....TAA puts in a long ball and the mancs clear it....a couple of seasons ago Henderson mops it up no sweat and we have a transition and probably punish them - instead last night his lack of athleticism and inability to pick up a loose ball means half our team is out of position and we get played through.....goal. It is happening more and more and so often Alisson has saved us, it will keep happening and keep happening and it will cost us pts.

 

People talk about our press being off because of a lack of intensity - it isn't intensity it is being physically incapable of doing it how it was once done....Firmino and Hendo are perfect examples of that.....they just haven't got the legs - they are not getting there and they are labouring and teams are exploiting the time and space that they are getting as a result....that is not just magically fixed because we were good at it and won stuff before....When a fighters legs go they are gone!

 

If we add to the midfield then we may well be ok....as it is this current squad battles for top 4 at best.

 

Our rivals have all improved and in some cases by a fair bit i reckon - we have stood still.

 

 

 

 


An attempt at some perspective and positivity is met with “no, sorry – cheerleading” because you’re choosing to be a drama queen about it. 

 

To me, the article was rational in pointing out that the body of evidence remains that these players deliver. That they aren’t suddenly all washed up now, since the end of May. What a preposterous notion. 
 

It’s been a tough three weeks but we can all be spared the ridiculous, spoiled teenage girl-tier histrionics from some. 

 

For the record, I’m much more concerned than John expresses here. He’s probably more concerned than he expresses here. But when we have nine players unavailable and several out of form (and that’s what it is, FORM), there’s legitimacy in the stance that everything, everything will be alright, alright. 

 

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4 hours ago, an tha said:

By now i obviously mean the current run of form this season.

 

As for the runners up shouts though...."2nd is nothing" - W. Shankly.

 

W.Shankly won three leagues in 15 years. He saw second and below quite a lot and he wasn’t competing with an oil state. 
 

2nd isn’t nothing (double negative). Shit, fourth got us into the European Cup in 2018 and we won it the following year. 

 

Shankly also came out with a right load of utter bollocks about football being more important than life or death, so maybe we shouldn’t tattoo everything he said on our foreheads like the gospel. 

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45 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

W.Shankly won three leagues in 15 years. He saw second and below quite a lot and he wasn’t competing with an oil state. 
 

2nd isn’t nothing (double negative). Shit, fourth got us into the European Cup in 2018 and we won it the following year. 

 

Shankly also came out with a right load of utter bollocks about football being more important than life or death, so maybe we shouldn’t tattoo everything he said on our foreheads like the gospel. 

 

What Shankly said wasn't utter bollocks back then, and was perhaps taken in the right spirit and context - one of solidarity, aspiration and inspiration. 

And when you think about some of the utter bollocks society craps on about as matters of life and death these days...

Times change, mate.

Like 4th, for example, would have got you shit in Shankly's time - and nowhere near the European Cup.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, s(k)aturation said:

Like 4th, for example, would have got you shit in Shankly's time - and nowhere near the European Cup.

 

My apologies, it would have got you a spot in the UEFA Cup... 

 

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19 minutes ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

My apologies, it would have got you a spot in the UEFA Cup... 

 

I was going to correct you myself. Haha.

 

The thing I will say about our current situation is that its the first time I've picked up on some negativity and frustration from Klopp. He's usually very upbeat regardless of our situation but I just get a feeling he wants to do things he cannot and its getting to him. I feel for him regarding how much money he's made for FSG by raising our club's financial value yet he appears hamstrung in the transfer market,again.

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10 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

I was going to correct you myself. Haha.

 

The thing I will say about our current situation is that its the first time I've picked up on some negativity and frustration from Klopp. He's usually very upbeat regardless of our situation but I just get a feeling he wants to do things he cannot and its getting to him. I feel for him regarding how much money he's made for FSG by raising our club's financial value yet he appears hamstrung in the transfer market,again.

 

He probably knows better than us if things aren't right - like that the squad was perhaps vulnerable.

 

Yes, he's definitely not upbeat.

 

PS. The EUFA Cup was a great competition - so Shankly poo-pooing finishing second in the League was his characteristic hyperbole.

 

 

 

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An attempt at some perspective and positivity is met with “no, sorry – cheerleading” because you’re choosing to be a drama queen about it. 

 

To me, the article was rational in pointing out that the body of evidence remains that these players deliver. That they aren’t suddenly all washed up now, since the end of May. What a preposterous notion. 
 

It’s been a tough three weeks but we can all be spared the ridiculous, spoiled teenage girl-tier histrionics from some. 

 

For the record, I’m much more concerned than John expresses here. He’s probably more concerned than he expresses here. But when we have nine players unavailable and several out of form (and that’s what it is, FORM), there’s legitimacy in the stance that everything, everything will be alright, alright. 

 

I think it's fair to point to some continuity even in the context of last season's amazing efforts: Firmino remains a shadow of his former self; Robertson continues to look shattered; Trent continues to look a defensive liability; our midfield continues to look underpowered and otherwise unreliable, especially in the predicatable creative absence of Thiago; Salah's 2022 form remains mediocre by his ridiculous standards; Virgil continues to look a touch complacent. 

 

Obviously a bizarre pre-season, injuries, and further dips in form have compounded all of the above. But there are some pre-existing issues and a much more proactive transfer window (especially to address midfield issues) would have helped significantly. 

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4 hours ago, Chris said:

W.Shankly won three leagues in 15 years. He saw second and below quite a lot

Shankly also came out with a right load of utter bollocks about football being more important than life or death, so maybe we shouldn’t tattoo everything he said on our foreheads like the gospel. 

I'm not convinced there is any need for this sort of stuff. If it wasn't for Shankly, we'd likely be sitting somewhere in The Championship & Klopp would be pissing the league with Man Utd.

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Beat Bournemouth and we don't really learn much. Get beat by Bournemouth and we are chin deep in trouble. Back to basics fuck these new tweaks off its not the time an I'd rather Nunez got comfortable and can manage to actually control a ball before we start changing everything just to fit him in. Get Diaz and Salah closer to goal its a mind fuck what we are doing at the minute. I dont want Trent closer to goal where he's trying to hit a passing bus he can see on Breck Road.

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5 hours ago, Chris said:


An attempt at some perspective and positivity is met with “no, sorry – cheerleading” because you’re choosing to be a drama queen about it. 

 

To me, the article was rational in pointing out that the body of evidence remains that these players deliver. That they aren’t suddenly all washed up now, since the end of May. What a preposterous notion. 
 

It’s been a tough three weeks but we can all be spared the ridiculous, spoiled teenage girl-tier histrionics from some. 

 

For the record, I’m much more concerned than John expresses here. He’s probably more concerned than he expresses here. But when we have nine players unavailable and several out of form (and that’s what it is, FORM), there’s legitimacy in the stance that everything, everything will be alright, alright. 

 

An attempt at using actual analysis (you know things like fact that teams are playing through us with ease because of the gaps and holes in our shape caused by the issues we have with players failing to press and win 2nd balls due to being unable to get there) is met with "You are being a drama queen"

 

To me my reply was perfectly rational in using actual analysis and tactical/structural issues that are clear to see as opposed to "hey these lads have won stuff before they'll come good" - what a proposterous notion!

 

It has been a tough three weeks but we can all be spared you laying into me because i dare challenge the views of one of "the team" - that is how you are coming across, real histrionics after i dare counter what i saw as one of "the teams" paper thin arguments about where we are and where we are headed.....it was like saying that 38 year old Mike Tyson (the version who could not move his head any more and threw single shots as opposed to devestating combinations) would come good and win the world title again because he won it previously when we was in his prime.

 

Our issues in midfield are not about FORM - they are about a lack of athleticness, a lack of legs and a lack of suitabiility and IMHO about players who have gone past their best after years at the level they have been which of course was key to in what we won, but there comes a time when the top of the hill is reached and the slide begins - it comes suddenly in some players and i feel we have players who have reached it - yes injuries are a factor and we are not fielding our best/most effective three in there - but those injuries are 1. To players who have a record as long as Mr Tickle's arms of being injured and 2. Those records are unlikely to improve - there was absolute legitimacy in my stance, in my view and in my reply, that we need change for everything to be alright, alright?

 

Tell me what was wrong for example with this that i said:

 

 

We used to have Hendo and Wijnaldum who covered the space when the full backs pushed on.....now Hendo has not got the legs, Wijnaldum is gone.

 

Now because of our lack of legs, broken play just means our back line gets exposed and teams walk through our midfield and onto our defence/keeper.

 

There is so much space, we are caught out of shape and the gaps are too big for our slow midfielders to close.

 

We if we we are not going to get in the players with more legs in there and ability to win those 2nd balls/win those battles/be in the right place to snuff out danger and put us on front foot will have to play within our limitations, and adopt a more compact shape.....we are currently embarrassingly easy to pass/play through.

 

We are being out pressed and our slow, unathletic midfield and Bobby last night who used to lead our press so well are starting their pressing movements from further away.....and are less effective.

 

When our midfielders were younger/more athletic and when Bobby could run they were the key to our press - they were the triggers, when Bobby pressed the two wide forwards closed down the passing lanes and Hendo and the rest of the midfield gambled and closed down the opposition and we won ball and got at and behind teams.....As that happened the centre halves pushed up and squeezed the play too.

 

Now the press is slow and half arsed/players on Monday could not physically get there. That means we now get passed through at will and our centre halves get exposed.

 

We are trying to play same way - but are not doing key parts of it anywhere near effectively enough because players are physically incapable of it now.

If you are going to play a highline then you have to press as a team and above all pick up loose balls/win those challenges when ball breaks and opposition are committed....The mancs second goal typified that last night....

 

TAA puts in a long ball and the mancs clear it....a couple of seasons ago Henderson mops it up no sweat and we have a transition and probably punish them - instead last night his lack of athleticism and inability to pick up a loose ball means half our team is out of position and we get played through.....goal.....

 

I am a 'hysterical fanny' full of 'school girl histrionics'.....

 

Well IMO what i am doing is offering perfectly fair tactical analysis to support my argument....i should have stuck to "we'll be sound these players are boss" shouldn't i....i might get you jumping to my defence as opposed to jumping all over me then eh...

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, Chris said:

 

W.Shankly won three leagues in 15 years. He saw second and below quite a lot and he wasn’t competing with an oil state. 
 

2nd isn’t nothing (double negative). Shit, fourth got us into the European Cup in 2018 and we won it the following year. 

 

Shankly also came out with a right load of utter bollocks about football being more important than life or death, so maybe we shouldn’t tattoo everything he said on our foreheads like the gospel. 

Shankly took us out of second division wilderness and left us on the cusp of being the greatest side on the planet in that 15 years. 

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