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Ten days to save himself = He's already done

It seems that all of the well placed media sources are saying today that Rodgers has three games to save his job. Ok, some are saying ten days, but it equates to the same thing. Three games, ten days, if things don’t go well then Brendan is history.

 

If this is actually the case then it just tells me that his race has already been ran. I mean, what if - and I realise this is the longest of shots - he somehow wins these next three games, does that mean he’s safe? And if so, for how long? What if we then lost the next three? What then? If the powers that be are going to use the next three games to decide the fate of Rodgers, then his fate has already been decided. He’s as good as gone and the only question is how long they will wait to make it official.

 

Actually there’s another question: Why wait at all?

 

Perhaps it suits them better if he gets some good results and is able to postpone the inevitable for a while longer. If Rodgers can somehow limp along until December and they hand him his P45 then, they can say they gave him as long as possible and that he was given every opportunity to turn things around.

 

They don’t want to pull the trigger on him after seven league games as it makes them look bad. When most people were telling them to make a change in the summer, they felt they knew best (strangely, they always feel that way despite none of them having a clue about a sport they only discovered a few years ago) and not only retained his services, but also allowed him to restructure his coaching staff and spend £32m on Christian Benteke because he convinced them the big striker was the man he needed to make his system work. A system that he had scrapped by September.

 

Nothing against Benteke, he’s a really good player and has two goals to his name already, but if he was fit for this weekend would he even be in the team? Maybe he would, but he shouldn’t be. Danny Ings and Daniel Sturridge look more suited to how a Rodgers team plays, and it’s quite worrying that he himself doesn’t seem to know which players suit his own methods best. He’s changed tack so many times it’s as though he’s forgotten what he even wanted to do in the first place. I guess it’s a lot easier to look like you know what you’re doing when you have Luis Suarez tearing shit up and you just need to concentrate on what everybody else is doing.

 

Since Suarez left everything has turned to shit and Rodgers has been powerless to stop it. The owners failed to do the right thing over the summer for reasons known only to themselves. Maybe they didn’t want to pay him off and felt like it was worth rolling the dice in the hope he could turn it around? Maybe there’s a split within FSG and some wanted rid and others (and by others I mean you Mike fucking Gordon) didn’t? Maybe they didn’t want to sack him because they knew fans would expect Klopp or Ancelotti and would frown upon it when they wheeled out Eddie Howe instead. None of us know, we can only speculate.

 

I’d like to think now though that they’ve got intermediaries out all over the place speaking to potential replacements. They’ve denied speaking to Klopp and Ancelotti and I don’t doubt they’re telling the truth. I’d say it’s a safe assumption that neither John Henry or Tom Werner, or even Ian Ayre, have been flying off and having clandestine meetings with potential replacements for Rodgers, but they’d be pretty damn negligent if they haven’t had middle men ‘reaching out’ to them to see who’d be interested and who wouldn’t.

 

Rick Parry and David Moores didn’t speak to Rafa Benitez when they wanted him to succeed Gerard Houllier. They sent someone else over there to do it on their behalf though, as that’s how these things are done. If nobody has spoken to Klopp or Ancelotti to see if they have any interest in the Liverpool job then that’s just incompetence of the highest order.

 

In some ways I feel sorry for Rodgers now as this is just death by a thousand cuts. He’s not turning this thing around and everybody knows it, probably even including him, although you never know with him as he is pretty cocksure of himself. If he was a bit more humble and likeable I definitely would feel sorry for him, but when the inevitable happens he’ll be able to console himself with six million quid and let’s face it, he’s going to be on Goals on Sunday telling Chris Kamara & co how it was everyone else’s fault but his own, so yeah, I don’t really feel sorry for him much.

 

I don’t bear him any ill will either. I believed in him for a long time, longer than most probably, as it was only after the 6-1 at Stoke that I jumped on board the “Rodgers Out” train. By the time I got on there were no seats left and I had to stand by the door, with my face wedged into the armpit of some drunken sweaty bastard who was clinging onto one of the safety bars for dear life to avoid falling over any time the train went round a bend.

 

Aaaaanyway… the point is I was late to that party, but even though I disagreed with FSG keeping him in place I was prepared to give it a go and see how things played out. Based on the players we brought in I really thought he’d get back on track. I wasn’t under any illusions that he’d get us back to the heights he reached before, but I did think we’d be much better than last season.

 

The West Ham game shattered that illusion though. Yeah, it’s dangerous to over-react to one bad performance and result, particularly when a few days earlier we’d looked pretty good at the Emirates, but there was just something about the way we lost that game wasn’t there? It was so painfully bad, and Rodgers was powerless to do anything about it. His answer to being 2-0 down was to go back to the 3-4-2-1 system that got him out of a hole last season. You spend all summer working on 4-3-3 and buying players to fit that system, then you scrap it at the first bump in the road?

 

The masterplan he came up with over the summer to turn things around has been abandoned already, which just tells you he isn’t in control of what’s happening and he’s desperately trying to stumble onto something that works, as he did for a spell last season until teams figured it out and countered the three at the back system he was playing.

 

So we all know this thing has ran it’s course and that a change is imminent. Whether it comes in three days, three games or three months, it’s happening so my question would be “why wait?”. Just end this charade now, for everyone’s sake.


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Eddie Howe is already a better manager than Rodgers.

I am not advocating his appointment at LFC btw.

No he isn't. If it's a choice between Rodgers, Howe and Monk we may as well keep Rodgers.

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I really hope so but they haven't been shy of going their own way so far.

 

True, I just have to look at what they did with the Red Sox in the summer (hired the best GM available even though they liked the guy they had) and hope that they apply the same principle to Liverpool.

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True, I just have to look at what they did with the Red Sox in the summer (hired the best GM available even though they liked the guy they had) and hope that they apply the same principle to Liverpool.

 

It just makes complete sense to have the best possible manager you can get to make the most of your moneyball assets, shirley? The managers salary is a tiny investment compared to the playing squad.

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I can't bear the thought of him being in charge at Woodison, don't think I'd be able to watch us go into a Derby with no heart & no one up for a battle with all them cunts taking the piss. He needs to go before the Derby.

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It just makes complete sense to have the best possible manager you can get to make the most of your moneyball assets, shirley? The managers salary is a tiny investment compared to the playing squad.

 

It all depends how invested they are in the committee and how much they're listening to them on the manager's position. They took a chance on Rodgers, it nearly paid off, but it's fallen apart now. Now is not the time to take another gamble, only route to success is reduce the odds of failure, which is hiring a reputable manager. Same applies to signings, invest in the best that you can and fill in the gaps with punts after you've established yourself.

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Such a turnaround with the feeling towards Rodgers within the space of 18 months, and that includes me.

 

Why, Brendan?

 

Why abandon that heady attacking principle based around a quarterback spraying the ball to 3 quality forwards?

 

Losing Suarez is hard, very hard, but Rodgers made it look so much worse than it needed to be. He went after players who didn't press the ball, and so everything totally fell apart.

 

We now see with Ings, a player willing to put in that level of effort. And Danny Ings is a limited footballer, nowhere near in Suarez class, and yet you can see how he'd be great here. Now, what in the name of fuck was Rodgers thinking with Lambert and Balotelli? Ings in last year's team would have been great, certainly CL-worthy.

 

He either didn't understand what made the 13/14 team so good, or he wanted to go another way. Either way, the spell was broken.

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It's absolutely fucking mental if they have indeed decided 10 days .

Whats it says is that they are resolved to sack him but want to be fair to save face .Another couple of games is going to be meaningless even if we win because the whole fucking circus will start again as soon as he loses a match, It's over for Rodgers whatever happens now so for the Christ's sake grow a pair you cunts , pay him his money and pull the bastard trigger . We all need to move on and get back to supporting the team not wondering whether this is the day the inevitable is going to happen. 

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It's absolutely fucking mental if they have indeed decided 10 days .

Whats it says is that they are resolved to sack him but want to be fair to save face .Another couple of games is going to be meaningless even if we win because the whole fucking circus will start again as soon as he loses a match, It's over for Rodgers whatever happens now so for the Christ's sake grow a pair you cunts , pay him his money and pull the bastard trigger . We all need to move on and get back to supporting the team not wondering whether this is the day the inevitable is going to happen.

Wonder if it's been put out there to see what the players do. If his neck is on the line and they don't perform it will say a lot.

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I can't understand the logic of keeping him on at the end of last term, giving him a fortune to spend, then sacking him a few games into this season. If you've made the decision to give him another chance after the 6-1 at Stoke, then he really needs to be given until the New Year at least. And I say this as someone who was never convinced that he was the right man for the job.

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I think it'll be Ancelotti or Klopp, and I wouldn't be listening to the transfer committee for recommendations either.

They should be following the cretin out the door.

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I can't understand the logic of keeping him on at the end of last term, giving him a fortune to spend, then sacking him a few games into this season. If you've made the decision to give him another chance after the 6-1 at Stoke, then he really needs to be given until the New Year at least. And I say this as someone who was never convinced that he was the right man for the job.

 

Unless he didn't spend the fortune and really hasn't got a clue what to do with Benteke and Firminho, but will say anything to keep his job.  In general I suspect it's more that Gordon and Ayre are deluded though.

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But surely there must have been a preset point in time where the owners are going to review their decision not to sack him in the summer, otherwise, this article argues for the very thing it is seemingly against. It makes sense that the time is after 2 months, second international break and 9 or 10 at league games  into the season. He is not going to be judged on one league cup game the players were obviously not motivated for. Maybe this is where this "3 games to save himself comes from" as in boxing, where you are losing on points, but there are still 3 rounds to turn things around.

 

They would look at a period of 10 or so league games and see if there is any improvement and where in the cycle this improvement happened. If we have a decent game and beat Villa, beat Sion and have a good game with a result away at Everton (I know, I know), a review would show that over the course of let's say last 6 games, there was a marked improvement (Norwich we didn't play all that bad, young team won a more than a deserved point at Bordeaux, league cup was abysmal but at least we got through and there are 3 decent games and results at the end of the cycle), we made it to the second round of the cup, had 4 points in the EL and 12 or 14 points out of 9 games in the league, why would they sack the manager they kept in the summer and let him preside over another big transfer operation? They are not going to sack him because he is chopping and changing again, we have no identity, are still toothless in the attack or because the fans are "restless".

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I think it'll be Ancelotti or Klopp, and I wouldn't be listening to the transfer committee for recommendations either.

If it's not then they deserve all the shit that will come their way. It's an absolute no-brainer when you look at their records and throw in the fact that they're both currently unemployed.
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I can't understand the logic of keeping him on at the end of last term, giving him a fortune to spend, then sacking him a few games into this season. If you've made the decision to give him another chance after the 6-1 at Stoke, then he really needs to be given until the New Year at least. And I say this as someone who was never convinced that he was the right man for the job.

The logic is that you are adult enough to recognise your colossal error of judgement in keeping him and then act quickly to put things right before the rot starts to spread deeper and wider into recruitment, merchandise, ticket sales and sponsorship.
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