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Liverpool 1 Man City 1 (Mar 10 2024)

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That performance exceeded anything I expected, but the result didn’t. I actually thought we’d win the game but I didn’t think we’d completely dominate them for the entire second half. That was something wasn’t it? Fucking hell. 

 

We should have won, we deserved to win, but we didn’t win. Partly because of our finishing and partly because earlier in the season City’s chairman paid a few refs to go over and do some side gigs in the U.A.E. and since they came back they’ve given some of the worst decisions imaginable to help City out. 

 

Oliver is the main culprit but don’t forget that Darren England was over there taking the oil money before he did what he did in the Spurs game. Oliver though, in his first game after his little jaunt to the Middle East he failed to send Kovacic off against Arsenal. A week or two later he was VAR in the Manchester derby and invented a penalty from nothing to give City the lead in a game that was close up to that point. We’ve not seen a penalty given like that before or since. Now we are continually told there’s a “high bar” and VAR won’t intervene on penalties. The bar wasn’t very high for Oliver at Old Trafford though eh?

 

And then he ignores that one at the end of this game. Could be because he knows what side his bread is buttered or it might just be that he took the coward’s way out. A lot of refs would have bottled that decision, not necessarily because they’re “pro City” but because it’s the 98th minute of the biggest game in world football right now, and they don’t want to be the ones who decide the game so late. We might have got that in the 75th minute. Maybe. Probably not. But defo not with the last kick of the game. 

 

Alan Pardew was on the radio after the game and actually said “it’s probably a penalty but I’m glad it wasn’t given because a game like that shouldn’t end that way”. As ludicrous as it sounds, he’s not going to be alone in that fucked up view. Had we been 1-0 down the feeling would be different. Pardew for one would be singing a different tune, because a draw would have felt like the right outcome for neutrals and they'd have felt cheated by not getting the penalty. When it's us being cheated out of a win it's like "meh". That’s why I think both Oliver and the VAR (Attwell) bottled it. Had we been 1-0 down I bet that would have been given, if not by Oliver then by Attwell. At 1-1 though the easy thing to do it ignore it and blow for full time as soon as possible. So that’s what they did.

 

I’ll say no more about that because there’s really nothing to say. It’s 100% a penalty. Not one of those subjective calls where you can argue it either way. I know there are people trying to argue it, but it’s a penalty. End of story. If people want to argue that it wasn’t given because it was so late in a tied game, I’ll agree. It doesn’t excuse the decision, but it explains it. If they try to argue that it’s not a foul then sorry, that’s utter bollocks. Everyone knows that’s a foul and if they’re trying to argue otherwise they need to stop and ask themselves why. They’re either biased, or they’re trying too hard to be impartial. It’s a pen. 

 

Right, with that out of the way let me get on with the game. Just wow. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Klopp happier or more excited after a game than he was doing his post match stuff here. The LFCTV interview in particular, he was absolutely beaming and was singling out loads of different players, looking straight into the camera and saying things like “wow” or “oh my god”. 

 

He was so thrilled with the performance it masked any disappointment he might have had with the result. He didn’t even get mad about the penalty and was very calm about it all, mainly because his over-riding emotion was pride in his team.

 

I get that and I feel that way too. Except I am mad about the non-penalty and I am disappointed we didn’t win. Actually disappointment is way too strong a word, I don’t feel that. I just really wish we’d won because I think a performance like that deserved three points. If I was feeling disappointed I’d probably be picking players out and saying “he should have done this” and “he needed to do that”. That’s not how I feel though, I have no disappointment in any player and I’m not digging anyone out for missed chances. They gave us absolutely everything and produced one of the best halves of football you'll see. As great as we’ve been under Klopp, we’ve never been able to do that to City. 


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What a game. What a recap. Loved how you put into words the evolution of emotions after the game... a whole other set of downs and ups. Fuck City. Fuck Sheikh whatever his name is. Fuck their entire staff, including Michael Oliver. That's given as a foul anywhere else on the pitch at any time in the game. Infuriating but like Klopp, I'm already over it.

 

I said it before and I'll say it again, I'd give my left nut for Jurgen and the boys to win the league. COYR!!!!

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We were brilliant for the whole 100 mins or so shame we never won but 10 left and plenty of twists left yet I reckon we will be 1pt clear going into April 

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Watched the Klopp interview and you’re right, he’s happier than he was when we the European Cup:

 

 

 

I think it’s because even times when we’ve beaten City, we’ve done it by being better in their box.

 

This is the first time in a long while I can remember us running the midfield. As we’ve been discussing in other threads, how badly does it have to be for the best midfielder in world football to get hauled off?

 

Even Thiago and Fab didn’t get that.

 

Just on the Doku challenge, I don’t think it’s as scandalous as you do. It’s certainly a foul and a booking, but I don’t think, for example, Burnley would get a penalty for that at the Kop end.

 

It is one of those.

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1 hour ago, Dapower said:

We were brilliant for the whole 100 mins or so shame we never won but 10 left and plenty of twists left yet I reckon we will be 1pt clear going into April 


You big lurking bastard, you.

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1 hour ago, Kevin D said:

Watched the Klopp interview and you’re right, he’s happier than he was when we the European Cup:

 

 

 

 

Just on the Doku challenge, I don’t think it’s as scandalous as you do. It’s certainly a foul and a booking, but I don’t think, for example, Burnley would get a penalty for that at the Kop end.

 

It is one of those.

One of what? I don't follow...?

 

You are saying it is certainly a foul and a booking (which it is yes) so it is also a penalty then isn't it? What else is there to it?

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3 minutes ago, an tha said:

One of what? I don't follow...?

 

You are saying it is certainly a foul and a booking (which it is yes) so it is also a penalty then isn't it? What else is there to it?


Fouls and bookings are not necessarily things you get penalties for.

 

A penalty is a big thing in a football match and referees are reluctant to give them unless they need to.

 

You know what I mean.

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8 minutes ago, Kevin D said:


Fouls and bookings are not necessarily things you get penalties for.

 

A penalty is a big thing in a football match and referees are reluctant to give them unless they need to.

 

You know what I mean.

A foul in the penalty area is a penalty.

 

Or at least it should be - and that is the problem people are buying into bullshit that that has become acceptable because of shit officiating.

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Cast your mind back to Brighton vs Liverpool on 28th Nov 2020 when Stuart Atwell was referee and he gave Brighton that last minute penalty against Robbo on Wellbeck when their feet brushed. VAR (Kevin Friend) stepped in to advise Atwell that he had clearly and obviously missed something.   

 

Atwell on VAR this time watching a studs high challenge into the ribs and thought "Nothing to see here."

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1 hour ago, an tha said:

A foul in the penalty area is a penalty.

 

Or at least it should be - and that is the problem people are buying into bullshit that that has become acceptable because of shit officiating.


I’m not disagreeing, just football isn’t really reffed that way, even though it should be.

 

A foul is a foul, but refs bend over backwards to not give a pen.

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A rousing passionate report Dave. Performances like that reiterates 'We are Liverpool' no other club will ever have what we have.

I watched the Sly coverage as other streams where shit, ratboy said two things that summed the game/injustice up.

After Macca scored they focused on weirdo and ratty said, "Pep is looking at his players and thinking, what have you done? You've woken the beast!"

On the Doku assault, " oh, he's in trouble here"

It must have killed him saying it but he was so right on both.

And yet again, Kelleher showed just how good he is. We just have to keep hold of him.

Despite his trauma, Diaz's dad gets some boss days out now! 

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1 hour ago, Kevin D said:


I’m not disagreeing, just football isn’t really reffed that way, even though it should be.

 

A foul is a foul, but refs bend over backwards to not give a pen.

Football seems to be reffed in whatever way it wants to be. Penalties are given every week for much less than the foul on Macca.

 

Every week.

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3 hours ago, Kevin D said:


I’m not disagreeing, just football isn’t really reffed that way, even though it should be.

 

A foul is a foul, but refs bend over backwards to not give a pen.

 

What? They give penalties for fuck all most weekends.

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6 hours ago, an tha said:

A foul in the penalty area is a penalty.

 

Or at least it should be - and that is the problem people are buying into bullshit that that has become acceptable because of shit officiating.

Fuckin right , its absolute bullshit. Anywhere else on the pitch it’s a free kick but the bar is higher in the box , total bollox. There’s even a piece in the Athletic where the writer suggest that although Darwin was fouled , a penalty is perhaps too harsh a reward !! FFS it’s called the penalty box for a reason.

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2 hours ago, The wanderer said:

Fuckin right , its absolute bullshit. Anywhere else on the pitch it’s a free kick but the bar is higher in the box , total bollox. There’s even a piece in the Athletic where the writer suggest that although Darwin was fouled , a penalty is perhaps too harsh a reward !! FFS it’s called the penalty box for a reason.

 

Chin stroking at its worst.

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I love how since the kidnapping Diaz's arl fella seems to have just moved over here full time now and spends every day wearing his lad's shirt and just dancing and enjoying himself. 

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6 hours ago, Kevin D said:


I’m not disagreeing, just football isn’t really reffed that way, even though it should be.

 

A foul is a foul, but refs bend over backwards to not give us anything

Fixed

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Great report Dave and absolutely 100% right about Oliver and the other corrupt bastards,  but reflecting on the performance it was outstanding 

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The more I watch City's goal the more I think something needs to be done about blocking at corners. I'm not saying it should have been disallowed as it happens all the time, but I think it needs looking at for future reference. Standing your ground and blocking someone off is fine, but Ake basically acted like an offensive lineman clearing a space for his running back. People said Macca needed to be stronger, but he's an undersized midfielder being shoved out of the way by a centre back who has no interest in the ball, only in stopping Macca from getting to the near post. If this is seen as ok then there should be a free for all and we may as well hire NFL offensive line coaches to teach players how to block.

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2 minutes ago, dave u said:

The more I watch City's goal the more I think something needs to be done about blocking at corners. I'm not saying it should have been disallowed as it happens all the time, but I think it needs looking at for future reference. Standing your ground and blocking someone off is fine, but Ake basically acted like an offensive lineman clearing a space for his running back. People said Macca needed to be stronger, but he's an undersized midfielder being shoved out of the way by a centre back who has no interest in the ball, only in stopping Macca from getting to the near post. If this is seen as ok then there should be a free for all and we may as well hire NFL offensive line coaches to teach players how to block.

 

Said in another thread if they're making no effort to play the ball and are instead moving to block another player, then it's obstruction.

 

1. Direct free kick

 

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences against an opponent in a manner considered by the referee to be careless, reckless or using excessive force:

charges

jumps at

kicks or attempts to kick

pushes

strikes or attempts to strike (including head-butt)

tackles or challenges

trips or attempts to trip

If an offence involves contact it is penalised by a direct free kick or penalty kick.

Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed

Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned

Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off

A direct free kick is awarded if a player commits any of the following offences:

a handball offence (except for the goalkeeper within their penalty area)

holds an opponent

impedes an opponent with contact

bites or spits at someone on the team lists or a match official

throws an object at the ball, opponent or match official, or makes contact with the ball with a held object

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1 hour ago, dave u said:

The more I watch City's goal the more I think something needs to be done about blocking at corners. I'm not saying it should have been disallowed as it happens all the time, but I think it needs looking at for future reference. Standing your ground and blocking someone off is fine, but Ake basically acted like an offensive lineman clearing a space for his running back. People said Macca needed to be stronger, but he's an undersized midfielder being shoved out of the way by a centre back who has no interest in the ball, only in stopping Macca from getting to the near post. If this is seen as ok then there should be a free for all and we may as well hire NFL offensive line coaches to teach players how to block.

Totally agree with this. It’s one thing holding your ground, but this was a centre half using his weight to barge a much smaller player when the ball wasn’t in playing distance. That’s usually Robbo’s position and I wonder if that would have made any difference. 
Another aspect of this blocking thing that now seems accepted is when defenders move into the path of forwards who are trying to close down the player with the ball eg at kickoffs, often throwing an arm across to impede the run. 

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3 hours ago, dave u said:

The more I watch City's goal the more I think something needs to be done about blocking at corners. I'm not saying it should have been disallowed as it happens all the time, but I think it needs looking at for future reference. Standing your ground and blocking someone off is fine, but Ake basically acted like an offensive lineman clearing a space for his running back. People said Macca needed to be stronger, but he's an undersized midfielder being shoved out of the way by a centre back who has no interest in the ball, only in stopping Macca from getting to the near post. If this is seen as ok then there should be a free for all and we may as well hire NFL offensive line coaches to teach players how to block.


A man at the first post would sort it, it was a ridiculous goal to concede.

 

It almost felt like it did not even count, since it would have been ridiculous easy to stop it. 

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8 hours ago, dave u said:

I love how since the kidnapping Diaz's arl fella seems to have just moved over here full time now and spends every day wearing his lad's shirt and just dancing and enjoying himself. 

These Tory cunts will deport him soon enough. 

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