Klopp: We are probably going to be looking for options in January

He really needs to be ruthless with whatever revamp is happening. Too many players are either done or not responding to things. Players seem to have got lazy  far less running and pressing. Starts in the midfield and going from Hendo,Fabinho Gini Milner working their arses off to Thiago,Elliot really hasn't helped. 

I'm not sure how Bellingham/Enzo helped either unless we change how we play. If we are got back with the older tactics we don't need 100ml pound players, we need tactically good workhorses that can do the job and get the fullbacks working again. 

I think he’ll find Bellingham shall be presenting himself, momentarily.

His plea for some magic beans from FSG. 

I wish we were just a touch more ruthless and less nostalgic. We are an absolute elite level sports team but you wouldn't think so with our budget constraints and acceptance of individual performances that aren't good enough but we make "money in the bank" last longer.

There's players we all know are good enough the team is built around them. There's those who we will argue over whether should be first team options and I'm sure there's some we think shouldn't be here. Theres also some we think this is their last season but some would say "I'd give them a year more". Me personally anybody now who "could be their last season" wouldn't get a contract,  see you later thanks for the work we move on and grow.

There's players im mixed on like Eliott who is clearly a technically gifted player but is so damn slow, small and I think his inclusion makes the unit as a whole weaker. Most of that could be because he's just a kid I don't think he should be getting anywhere near the amount of starts he does. Carvalho I don't know why we bought him unless it was a risk we knew we would make money on in the end, its nothing to do with his talent I just don't see how he fits anywhere a bit like Elliot. I dont want us dropping points creating pathways for individuals. Players, young players should be beating on the door not walking straight through but they are because the squad is shit or injured.

Someone mentioned it somewhere else but we don't seem to be learning any lessons at all. We will repeat the same mistakes again and again not just tactically it goes to transfer windows too. Fucking Arthur Mello a repeat of Ben Davies. Theres players with a dreadful injury record come here and occupy our medical team.

FSG need to put their hands in their fucking pockets and invest in the team that's potentially earned them 10 times or more their initial investment, it won't even effect their pockets it will just add value to the club they got for fucking pittance. We are heading to January the club needs to be proactive for once and think of now and the future not just treating the wound once the accidents happened. 

It just winds me up clubs around us with nowhere near our prestige not even including our last 5 years success can just go out and build their team stronger while we have to fucking scrimp, manoeuvre get fucking freebies. 

I am hoping that the ownership stuff is closer to finalisation than we are being told and that it has been in the works much longer than we knew.

Hopefully the tendency to "make do and mend" over the last few Windows and not really address the issues and the farcical situation with Arthur at the end of the last window has been driven by the owners wanting to get out. 

We need a window or two of real purpose. People can moan about fans should be more grateful/patient etc - especially those on twitter - but the reality is that is the world we operate in and if the club arent careful they will erode all of that positivity that has surrounded them for the last 5-6 years.

I am pretty fed up of seeing obvious issues just not being addressed and I don't want to see legends of the club become more and more criticised as they age. Adding to that is not just Utd, City and Chelsea spending but Arsenal, bloody no money Arsenal, spending.

Tired of the rhetoric of how clever our recruitment team are to see us now worrying about the fitness of a 36 yr old, whether Gomez can find some form and whether two teenagers can put in performances to help us compete with City. 

It's a real shame because the team built in 2018 was probably our best ever, with it's best ever manager. In my eyes better than City and with more investment we can still surpass them. 

I just want to see us look like we have a real desire to be number 1. We are the most successful team in England and yet recently this image has built around us, imo, that we are "plucky underdogs" that are outperforming ourselves (I don't think the owners have minded that at all, arguably they have even created it).

It's absolute crap and we need to get back to showing we are here to actually reassert ourselves.

Enzo in Jan, Jude in summer. Zaha and Arambat tied up on the cheap. We’ll all be sat in front of our *tv’s wearing tea towels on our heads singing tasteful chants. Trust me. 

 

* Super fans will be at the games protesting acting all sensible and shit.

It would be neglect not to do something in this window.

The desperately needed midfield rebuild needs to be phased across Jan and the summer to fix our biggest weakness and get the side set up to function properly again - if we don't we risk not just standing still but falling away back to mediocrity.

These next two windows are massive, pivotal ones for this football club.

55 minutes ago, El Dangerous said:

Enzo in Jan, Jude in summer. Zaha and Arambat tied up on the cheap. We’ll all be sat in front of our *tv’s wearing tea towels on our heads singing tasteful chants. Trust me. 

 

* Super fans will be at the games protesting acting all sensible and shit.

If we sign Zaha the protests will be justified. 

Jude Bellingham will sign for Manchester City!

4 hours ago, HBenn said:

I am hoping that the ownership stuff is closer to finalisation than we are being told and that it has been in the works much longer than we knew.

Hopefully the tendency to "make do and mend" over the last few Windows and not really address the issues and the farcical situation with Arthur at the end of the last window has been driven by the owners wanting to get out. 

We need a window or two of real purpose. People can moan about fans should be more grateful/patient etc - especially those on twitter - but the reality is that is the world we operate in and if the club arent careful they will erode all of that positivity that has surrounded them for the last 5-6 years.

I am pretty fed up of seeing obvious issues just not being addressed and I don't want to see legends of the club become more and more criticised as they age. Adding to that is not just Utd, City and Chelsea spending but Arsenal, bloody no money Arsenal, spending.

Tired of the rhetoric of how clever our recruitment team are to see us now worrying about the fitness of a 36 yr old, whether Gomez can find some form and whether two teenagers can put in performances to help us compete with City. 

It's a real shame because the team built in 2018 was probably our best ever, with it's best ever manager. In my eyes better than City and with more investment we can still surpass them. 

I just want to see us look like we have a real desire to be number 1. We are the most successful team in England and yet recently this image has built around us, imo, that we are "plucky underdogs" that are outperforming ourselves (I don't think the owners have minded that at all, arguably they have even created it).

It's absolute crap and we need to get back to showing we are here to actually reassert ourselves.

 

The ownership thing isn't going to be resolved in the next five minutes and then more time for changes to transfer policy, budgets etc to work through to actual quality signings,  The problems are manifest now and the question for me is whether FSG are going to fund Klopp immediately . Hard to believe they will fund a  Bellingham deal. 

FSG are like the Tories, creating shit narratives that become accept wisdom. No value in January? Tell that to the scores of good winter buys.

FSG have been praised for not acting like drunken sailors, but when it turns into neglect it is a problem.

2 hours ago, Creator Supreme said:

Jude Bellingham will sign for Manchester City!

No. He'll sign for Real Madrid.

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

No. He'll sign for Real Madrid.

Well either way, he isn't signing for Liverpool!

19 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Well either way, he isn't signing for Liverpool!

Us spending £200m on him and Fernandez does look a bit unlikely.

12 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Us spending £200m on him and Fernandez does look a bit unlikely.

200m is pretty much dead on how much the midfield rebuild we desperately need is likely to cost IMO.

Whether it is 3 60m plus players.

Or Bellingham and 1 or 2 others.

These next two windows are pivotal and what we do or don't do is going to set the tone for where we are lilkely headed in next few years......back to challenging at the top or back to mediocrity - the choice is ours.

Just now, an tha said:

200m is pretty much dead on how much the midfield rebuild we desperately need is likely to cost IMO.

 

Whether it is 3 60m plus players.

 

Or Bellingham and 1 or 2 others.

 

These next two windows are pivotal and what we do or don't do is going to set the tone for where we are lilkely headed in next few years......back to challenging at the top or back to mediocrity - the choice is ours.

 

I think we could do it for a lot less, and we'll have to. Because if, as unlikely it appears, we do spend £200m on midfielders that presumably means we won't be signing anyone for other positions for about four years.

We don't need Bellingham to drastically improve our midfield. We regularly start with people who can't run and/or seven stone children. We just need some players with enough energy and tactical intelligence. That's it. They don't need to be able to pass like Xabi, or smash it in the top corner from 30 yards like Stevie, just not regularly allow one pass to leave opposition forwards two on two with our centre backs, and also win the ball back quickly.

10 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

I think we could do it for a lot less, and we'll have to. Because if, as unlikely it appears, we do spend £200m on midfielders that presumably means we won't be signing anyone for other positions for about four years.

 

We don't need Bellingham to drastically improve our midfield. We regularly start with people who can't run and/or seven stone children. We just need some players with enough energy and tactical intelligence. That's it. They don't need to be able to pass like Xabi, or smash it in the top corner from 30 yards like Stevie, just not regularly allow one pass to leave opposition forwards two on two with our centre backs, and also win the ball back quickly.

 

 

I've said it before - I genuinely believe that if we had 2 regular starters who could do to a high level what Henderson and Wijnaldum did between 18-20 then we'd be in a much, much better place - the team misses that and that is what you are describing above...

That has to cost around 100m though IMO.

The cherry on top of that is the 100m for Bellingham or A.N.Other as the main man.

Frankly i'd be happyish with the 2 for 100m or so if that was only realistic option and spending a further 100m on Bellingham meant we could not sort centre half the next year or attack.

The one thing I personally do not want to see is us go and do just Bellingham for 100m - he alone won't fix our midfield and therefore us as a side.

38 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

I think we could do it for a lot less, and we'll have to. Because if, as unlikely it appears, we do spend £200m on midfielders that presumably means we won't be signing anyone for other positions for about four years.

 

We don't need Bellingham to drastically improve our midfield. We regularly start with people who can't run and/or seven stone children. We just need some players with enough energy and tactical intelligence. That's it. They don't need to be able to pass like Xabi, or smash it in the top corner from 30 yards like Stevie, just not regularly allow one pass to leave opposition forwards two on two with our centre backs, and also win the ball back quickly.

 

 

Who knows how much we will have available to spend on the midfield. We could spend £50m under the current situation. I don't see why they would be looking for investment/selling if the plan is for the budget to stay the same. 

One of the prime objectives for the club is continual CL qualification (based on the club and holding company accounts). You would also expect them to be keen to protect the asset value by getting in the CL. 

I don't see a situation where they don't invest a good amount now (unless the club is virtually sold) and who knows if that isn't close (we have no idea how long talks have been going on). 

5 hours ago, sir roger said:

FSG are like the Tories, creating shit narratives that become accept wisdom. No value in January? Tell that to the scores of good winter buys.

 

FSG have been praised for not acting like drunken sailors, but when it turns into neglect it is a problem.

Recently it feels like it's been a case of the club recklessly not splashing out instead of not splashing out recklessly. 

These guys have taken massive risks to avoid spending. Hopefully now with the size of investment/sale value likely impacted by CL or lack of it they will spend to mitigate the risk. Anything else (unless the deal is already done) would feel really reckless.

It doesn't need to be a Bellingham type signing, this is a hapless, Championship level midfield, there must be at least 100 players in Europe who could improve it.

It'll be another reject, probably another permacrock, on loan, to keep Arthur company in the medbay. Merry Christmas.

34 minutes ago, HBenn said:

Recently it feels like it's been a case of the club recklessly not splashing out instead of not splashing out recklessly. 

These guys have taken massive risks to avoid spending. Hopefully now with the size of investment/sale value likely impacted by CL or lack of it they will spend to mitigate the risk. Anything else (unless the deal is already done) would feel really reckless.

It would be neglect IMO - pure and simple.

Everybody can see how much we have regressed due mostly to the shitshow that is our midfield.

Top 4 is touch and go - we have fallen way below our standards of recent years and are currently standing watching fucking Arsenal, Newcastle and the Mancs being better than us and showing the kind of ambition we aren't.

Any owner of any business in that situation that does not act to sort things out is simply neglecting the business.

16 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

It doesn't need to be a Bellingham type signing, this is a hapless, Championship level midfield, there must be at least 100 players in Europe who could improve it.

That Amrabat would right a lot of wrongs. I'd put him top of the list before Enzo and Jude. 

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

I think we could do it for a lot less, and we'll have to. Because if, as unlikely it appears, we do spend £200m on midfielders that presumably means we won't be signing anyone for other positions for about four years.

 

We don't need Bellingham to drastically improve our midfield. We regularly start with people who can't run and/or seven stone children. We just need some players with enough energy and tactical intelligence. That's it. They don't need to be able to pass like Xabi, or smash it in the top corner from 30 yards like Stevie, just not regularly allow one pass to leave opposition forwards two on two with our centre backs, and also win the ball back quickly.

 

 

This is absolutely 100% spot on.

We could completely transform the midfield by spending circa £60m on two solid, non-injury prone & athletic midfielders.

The talk of spending £100m on one player is almost as ridiculous as it is unlikely to happen.

5 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

 

That Amrabat would right a lot of wrongs. I'd put him top of the list before Enzo and Jude. 

I just find it mindblowing that anyone associated with the club can say with a straight face that there's no better options available than Milner, Henderson, Chamberlain and Keita. A rugby fan with a copy of Champ Man could find better.

7 minutes ago, Section_31 said:

 

 A rugby fan with a copy of Champ Man could find better.

Have some respect! That's our scouting department you are talking about there.