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Klopp: I am not too loyal to my players

Jurgen Klopp maintains that he is more than willing to make tough calls on his squad as Liverpool look for a solution for their ailing form at the start of 2023.

 

The German has been such a talismanic figure in this outstanding era for Liverpool. 

 

Building the squad bit by bit from a very low base and turning the supporters from doubters to believers again.

 

Like anything in life, there have been some bumps along the away but the triumphs  have been truly seismic as the Reds reclaimed their place atop the Premier League and Europe again.

 

While Liverpool fell just short of winning a unprecedented four trophies last campaign, it looked for all intents and purposes that despite the miles on the clock, this squad had a fair bit more to give.

 

While the average age was creeping up, some younger additions were brought in to freshen up the squad and keep everyone on their toes.

 

However, this season has been the perfect storm, a swathe of injuries to key players and the rapid decline in some other members of the squad leading to a great deal of inconsistency.

 

In truth, this season the team has morphed into the Liverpool team of the late 90s and early 2000s, more than capable of defeating teams such as Man City, Newcastle and Tottenham and just as likely to lose to Nottingham Forest or Leeds.

 

If there is one criticism of Klopp among some sections of the fanbase, it is that he remains fiercely loyal to long term members of the squad and is very reluctant to call time on their spell at the club when it seems the clear thing to do.

 

Speaking ahead of the 3rd round FA Cup replay against Wolves this evening, Klopp said he is more than aware of that suggestion but refuted it as the BBC reported.

 

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“Yes, of course I have heard it. I heard that before and I am not, I am loyal. I think everybody should be loyal, but I am not too loyal.

 

“The problem is too complex. You have a good player who did a lot of good things in the past and then in your mind [you think] maybe that's it for him.

 

“If you can then go out and bring in another player to replace [him] that makes sense.

 

"If you cannot bring anybody in you cannot bring anybody out. That is the situation."

 

When a team is having a sustained dip of form or individuals making similar errors game after game, naturally there is speculation whether the players have stopped listening to the message and start doing their own thing.

 

Again, Klopp did not think that was the case.

 

"I was not that often in a similar situation, but I know exactly how it works when things don't go well.

 

"There is a list of things you go through and one of the things is the players aren't listening to the coach any more.

 

"In Germany we say the manager doesn't reach the team any more. So I understand it looks like this sometimes but it is just not the case. You can take that off the list."

 

For now, Klopp is comfortable to stick with the players at his disposal although he did allude to the fact that there may be a change of approach to things in the summer.

 

The manager has put his faith in this group once more, now it is down to the players who take to the pitch to follow through and repay it.

 

 

 

 

 

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I know he said in his press conference we need to be more compact but I hope that doesn't mean just being more compact further up the pitch because if we are so high up and narrow we still leave the same openings. If our entire plan is to win the ball high we are just rolling a dice. Maybe a plan should revolve around us playing football and keeping it. Brighton absolutely handed our arse to us on every single level.

 

Their manager probably drew up his plan to beat us on the back of a cigarette packet. Klopp and Pep are being tactically out thought almost every single game their solutions so far have been play the same way but move bodies around, okay its hard to do when the players look spent and they genuinely make the dumbest decisions ive ever seen, how many times recently has a player done something and you've thought "what brain dead shit was that" but common  sense would dictate we need to be defensively better the answer isn't the high press, like the NBA wasn't Warwick Davies path to success because the tools to succeed arent there. We need to be harder to break down because we are easily one of the easiest teams to break down in football it needs to be the priority.

 

At some point surely the manager has to be tired of walking into the same jab. We are all tired of watching. 

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People keep going on about 'tactics' as if there are magic strategies to unlock beating other teams but it's all about the players you have at your disposal. Klopp has more or less said there that he can't bring certain players in so he is having to keep working with what he has. That is the situation at present for him. 

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7 minutes ago, etho said:

I read a quote from conference saying either you change the manager or you make alot of changes, and he wants to make alot of changes in the summer. 

Could be too late by the summer!

 

And if he's not too loyal to his players, how does he explain Ox, Naby, Adrian still being here? How does he explain Fabinho still being a regular starter when he's been absolute shite for the last 18 months?

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46 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

Could be too late by the summer!

 

And if he's not too loyal to his players, how does he explain Ox, Naby, Adrian still being here? How does he explain Fabinho still being a regular starter when he's been absolute shite for the last 18 months?

Ox & Naby have never been fit enough to sell. On the rare occasions they have been fit, they've looked good enough to justify a place on the bench. (Ask a grown-up who is old enough to remember all the way back to last season.) 

Adrián is third-choice keeper.  I wouldn't judge any manager on who their third-choice keeper is.

Fabinho is a regular starter because there is nobody else.

As I mentioned elsewhere, if the club had taken the same approach to progressively refreshing our midfield as we have to our forward line in the last few years, we wouldn't be in this position.

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2 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

People keep going on about 'tactics' as if there are magic strategies to unlock beating other teams but it's all about the players you have at your disposal. Klopp has more or less said there that he can't bring certain players in so he is having to keep working with what he has. That is the situation at present for him. 

 

Of course tactics play a huge part.

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21 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Ox & Naby have never been fit enough to sell. On the rare occasions they have been fit, they've looked good enough to justify a place on the bench. (Ask a grown-up who is old enough to remember all the way back to last season.) 

Adrián is third-choice keeper.  I wouldn't judge any manager on who their third-choice keeper is.

Fabinho is a regular starter because there is nobody else.

As I mentioned elsewhere, if the club had taken the same approach to progressively refreshing our midfield as we have to our forward line in the last few years, we wouldn't be in this position.

Our second choice keeper, who would be first choice in most sides, is on half the wages of Adrian. Guess who is likely to leave first.

On current form Ox and Keita would be struggling in the Championship.

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27 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Ox & Naby have never been fit enough to sell. On the rare occasions they have been fit, they've looked good enough to justify a place on the bench. (Ask a grown-up who is old enough to remember all the way back to last season.) 

Adrián is third-choice keeper.  I wouldn't judge any manager on who their third-choice keeper is.

Fabinho is a regular starter because there is nobody else.

As I mentioned elsewhere, if the club had taken the same approach to progressively refreshing our midfield as we have to our forward line in the last few years, we wouldn't be in this position.

OK, fair points (apart from the frankly unnecessary and insulting ask a grown up bollocks).

 

But shouldn't he be the one pushing for new players (behind the scenes if nothing else)? He's rearranging deckchairs on the Titanic at the moment, and it's starting to become embarrassing. He's an intelligent bloke, and he's got a lot of goodwill in the bank, he knows the core support would back him over FSG any day of the week, so why not push a bit more?

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1 hour ago, Creator Supreme said:

Could be too late by the summer!

 

And if he's not too loyal to his players, how does he explain Ox, Naby, Adrian still being here? How does he explain Fabinho still being a regular starter when he's been absolute shite for the last 18 months?


Forgot Henderson…

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43 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Ox & Naby have never been fit enough to sell. On the rare occasions they have been fit, they've looked good enough to justify a place on the bench. (Ask a grown-up who is old enough to remember all the way back to last season.) 

Adrián is third-choice keeper.  I wouldn't judge any manager on who their third-choice keeper is.

Fabinho is a regular starter because there is nobody else.

As I mentioned elsewhere, if the club had taken the same approach to progressively refreshing our midfield as we have to our forward line in the last few years, we wouldn't be in this position.

The not progressively refreshing is exactly the issue - it is a pretty major fuck up that for whatever reasons we haven't done it, but we haven't and it is killing us.

 

I am not saying it is all on Klopp but comments like the below IMHO do not help - for my money this is simply wrong and it suggests an incorrect approach to the management of the squad (midfield) - the "replacing" should be phased and be being done before they need to be replaced, before their legs go.....now whether that is becaue of restraints on wages etc nobody knows but as a policy it has failed and it has failed because it is short sighted - this for me has restricted us and now sees us in need of a major midfield rebuild as opposed to a phased, controlled refresh - this is simply not good enough IMO:

 

"The problem is too complex. You have a good player who did a lot of good things in the past and then in your mind [you think] maybe that's it for him.

 

If you can then go out and bring in another player to replace [him] that makes sense.

 

If you cannot bring anybody in you cannot bring anybody out. That is the situation."

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

But shouldn't he be the one pushing for new players (behind the scenes if nothing else)? 

We don't know what happens behind closed doors. In the meantime, he's not coming out publicly and saying "these players aren't good enough" because that would be really bad management.

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3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

he's not coming out publicly and saying "these players aren't good enough" because that would be really bad management.

Again fair point, but we all have eyes, we know these players are shot.

 

As much of a risk as it might be, maybe its time to give youth a chance? Certainly in tonight's match, what have we got to lose, another battering by Brighton?

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8 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

We don't know what happens behind closed doors. In the meantime, he's not coming out publicly and saying "these players aren't good enough" because that would be really bad management.

Correct . Glad he said what he said , bit of menace but didn't throw anyone under the bus .  

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19 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

On Ox and Naby, if they're not fit enough to sell, pay their contracts up and show them the door!

 

We could have fucked Keita off after a year on two when Monaco wanted him.  This was when they had money.

 

Add Firmino, Lallana, Probably Joe Alen though I've tried to forget that junk played for us.

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sad but reassuring, he's basically saying he'd get rid if he had the money. 

 

I'm honestly surprised he signed a new deal without getting guarantees because it's his reputation on the line. Says a lot about how much he thinks of us that he tolerates it, IMO. 

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I agree, the best outcome we could have for this season now is Klopp still wants to be here and is still hungry and prepared to be ruthless in fixing the issues. 

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21 minutes ago, Creator Supreme said:

On Ox and Naby, if they're not fit enough to sell, pay their contracts up and show them the door!

Never going to happen though is it?

 

Pay them off now when they're going in the summer anyway just reduces the squad numbers because they won't be replaced this month.

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44 minutes ago, TD_LFC said:

 

Of course tactics play a huge part.

They are not the be all and end all though. You'd like to think top players are clever enough to work things out for themselves. There is way too much focus on them from armchair managers and pundits.

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2 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

They are not the be all and end all though. You'd like to think top players are clever enough to work things out for themselves. There is way too much focus on them from armchair managers and pundits.

 

There's too much focus on formations which is different to tactics, your average pundit doesn't know a low block from a mid block or what a pressing trigger is.

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5 minutes ago, VladimirIlyich said:

They are not the be all and end all though. You'd like to think top players are clever enough to work things out for themselves. There is way too much focus on them from armchair managers and pundits.

This is a good point, and when players don't make changes to the playing during the game when required it indicates a lack of in pitch leadership.

 

The players years back would follow the managers instructions, but if it wasn't working you'd get an old head on the pitch to grab the reins and move things about a bit.

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Keita should've gone after a season or two, Ox when his body started breaking down, and Henderson shouldn't have got a new contract. We keep a 52 year old James Milner on a rolling contract, and Fabinho is ageing in dog years.

 

Great to hear Klopp doesn't think he's too loyal, but from the outside it looks like a bloke who's stopped flushing his toilet after he drops a deuce, and claims that has nothing to do with his bathroom now being flooded with turds.

 

Hope this episode has put a ruthless streak in him. 

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27 minutes ago, Carra_is_legend said:

Reassuring for now but not sure how he is going to get money in the summer when he has no money right now. Not sure what is going to drastically change in 5 or 6 months. 

 

Ownership I suspect. I think it's just a strange few weeks/months of limbo for the club. They won't want to spend because they expect to sell, Klopp knows and understands so it's just about holding the line with what he has. 

 

That being said, we've got a decent enough squad and things shouldn't be as desperate as they are, these lads need to stop hiding and put a shift in, the Premier League is - by and large - filled with journeyman clubs which we should be soundly beating. 

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