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Florida banning a load of Maths textbooks because they (apparently) contain Critical Race Theory. https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/17/us/florida-math-textbooks-critical-race-theory/index.html "Q1. Chad earns $35 an hour. Malik earns 20% less than Chad, due to structural inequalities which have their roots in slavery. How much does Malik earn?"

No. That's why I never said they were. Modern slavery is illegal and everyone who knows anything about the subject knows that giving migrant workers rights is key to fighting modern slavery and people trafficking. Leaving the EU takes rights away from migrant workers. You have drawn your own conclusion from these facts, but it's anybody's guess how you got there.

There's a reason slavery never took hold in Britain. We didn't need any.

Lawrence Westgaph did an interesting little bit of speculation (as he's been unable to find any hard evidence) about the reliefs at the entrance, on one of his history tours. Through the 18th and 19th centuries, Liverpool's civic leaders were proud of its leading role in the slave trade. By the 20th century, the city had become a bit sheepish about it; there are some celebrations of local abolitionists and lots of celebrations of prominent merchants in cotton, tobacco, sugar, etc. (with no mention of who produced those goods). Slavery was swept under the carpet. There are, however, a very small number of nods towards the human misery that built our city. Martins Bank in Liverpool started with the specific purpose of financing slave voyages. It was actually called something else (Bank of Liverpool, or something) but when it bought the much older London-based Martin's Bank, it adopted the name of the longer-established bank. The current building is from the early 20th century, so it's no surprise to see it decorated with emblems of the proud mercantile and maritime history it helped to finance. But there's also the reliefs by the door. Westgaph speculates that by depicting Neptune lovingly laying hands on a pair of (drowned?) African slave children, the architect is subtly acknowledging the moral debt behind all the wealth inside the building. https://travelswithmyart.wordpress.com/2020/08/08/herbert-tyson-smithhis-soul-was-always-in-his-work/amp/

Worst thing about something like this is that every cunt in the media and on Twatter has got an opinion on it. Quite a few making a race issue out of it, setting up two black men to fight and embarass themselves with undertones of slavery. GMTV have asked every cunt on their show about it and there's endless bloggers making it out to be a massive world event. Putin must be made up that he's put of the headlines for a few days.

There are good reasons these twats shouldn't be welcome in Jamaica. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/23/british-royal-family-monarchy-historical-links-to-slavery?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1648067607

Quite right. In a discussion about Modern Slavery I didn't bring up something that's got nothing to do with Modern Slavery. Good spot.

This is from Anti-Slavery International's 2017 report "Brexit & the UK's Fight Against Modern Slavery". (I can't post a link, because I've only got a pdf. It is worth Googling, for anyone who is genuinely interested in understanding the issues.)

I'm not glib about anything. It's a simple paradox that with free movement of peoples as you call it comes the downside which is peoples being exploited. You are making rights to a problem you've caused in the first place and the problem has grown so vast that eu legislation wont cure or tame it. The problem with (mainly) east European labour being exploited is 100% real and in front of everyones eyes, from fruit pickers in italy to prostitution in Scotland and the problem has exploded with eu expansion. Sorry but it's an unfortunate truth. http://www.theperspective.se/prostitution-and-slavery-in-the-eu-romanias-human-trafficking-problem/ As for eu responses I've heard an Irish lady is now working/heading the eu slavery problem (and their is a massive problem) and she is excellent, cant remember her name Clair Iverson/Irons,Ivings? but I've been told by someone who has spent his life fighting forced labour that she is the real deal and will get results. Hope hes right but I cant see it within this system.

The general principle - that giving workers rights in host countries helps to protect people from slavery - is absolutely spot on. Gnash brought free movement into it, because he sees it as the root of all evil. (He brought the recent Leicester sweatshops case into this thread as an example of the evils of EU free movement, because... er... something.) There is a specific problem of Romanian women being trafficked to the UK, on a false promise of a job, only to be forced into sex-slavery once they're here. At the moment, they have some legal recourse because they have a legal right to live and work here. Gnash is arguing that the best way to protect them is to remove that right because... er... something.

I have never once blamed immigrants or foreigners. You are once again throwing around baseless slurs. The increase in modern day slavery is well documented and is there for all to see, if you choose to ignore it that's your prerogative. Why has modern day slavery increased is the question we should be asking. Is our own government culpable? Fucking right it is. Is the increase in world inequality a reason? Undoubtedly. Is the eu policy on free people movement a cause? I think it may well be, obviously it's not fully to blame but the system has been exploited by the dregs of humanity to wield power over others in pursuit of easy profit. More racists below? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-blamed-for-rise-in-trafficking-and-slaves-fd3dwp7s3

es I didn't ignore that link. I read it. I'd recommend that you do the same. It's all about shitty UK laws that penalise the victims of slavery. The article doesn’t mention the EU at all; if it did, it would say that Brexit brings immigration restrictions, which are just one more weapon for the UK to attack the victims of slavery.

Only a cunt would pretend that I "seem to endorse" modern slavery, while advocating stripping workers of their rights. That "you're naive" horseshit doesn’t work. Every campaign against modern slavery - without exception - advocates giving migrant workers more rights. You are the only person I have ever heard argue that the right-wing Tory approach to stripping workers of rights will somehow protect vulnerable workers.

For the millionth time, everyone who knows or cares about the problems of modern slavery and people trafficking agrees that taking rights away from migrants makes them more vulnerable to exploitation. Brexit takes rights away from EU migrants. Brexit makes people more vulnerable to trafficking and modern slavery.

It applies to almost everything though. Weve always focused on the minutiae. Politically how much focus is put on actual policy and its effects against how someone eats a bacon butty. The idea the media for a long time has been anything but a propaganda machine is naive, like Murdoch, Rothmere and the likes own papers for the profit of sales or they want to be purveyors of truth, they do it because it makes them kingmakers. Distract people or shape their views. Zoumas cat is nothing new. Slavery and child labour is involved in chocolate production and the making of mobile phones as are millions of other products we use, we know this but look the other way, the modern world makes hypocrites of us all. I turn over when child starvation or animal cruelty adverts come on because actually facing the truth makes me uncomfortable so I choose ignorance. Shameful really. Zouma is still out of order though. I do think his punishment has been enough he's been caught, blasted and ridiculed had his cats taken off him, that's more than enough, the wage fines seem excessive and people clamouring for more should take a step back ask why are they so desperate to get the most punishment they can possibly get out of somebody are they thinking of the cat or just enjoy the ruin of a person.

Wasn't there somewhere in Lancashire that had a lot to do with the anti slavery movement? For some reason Nelson springs to mind?

I didn't say they were, you pinpoint another example of authorities turning a blind eye to modern day slavery, also vietnamese slavery is rife in the uk.

Exactly the same as when white racists complain about schools teaching the history of slavery and colonialism.

Claiming that modern slavery is a Traveller problem - or claiming, as Patel did, that "criminality" is a feature of Traveller communities - is promoting anti-GRT racism (as surely as citing the ethnic background of the sweatshop owners in Leicester and then claiming that slavery is a feature of British-Asian communities would be racist). Conflating the actions of Israel with "the Jews" is absolutely racist. Until you pull your lazy, stupid head out of your arse and bother to learn what racism is, you will continue to be a racist.

Interesting how she doesn't consider terf a pejorative term, even though it contains the word 'radical'. Radical is basically politics speak for barmpot. Words are everything, as Orwell knew. I think any feminist who's built a career on it and considers there to be no issue at all with the transgender debate and especially self identifying has - if you'll forgive the phrase - no balls. You can surgically become a woman but IMO you can't lay claim to the fight woman have had to endure for millenia to become equals. Said it before but can you imagine the outrage if we did the same with race? Say i wanted to be a black guy, started telling people I was black I'd be locked up. If I took it to its ultimate conclusion, got skin pigmentation treatment, got a certificate to say I was black, it made me happy and my frirnds and family accepted it, could I still turn up at a slavery debate at liverpool and start talking about the struggles of "my people"?. If a black slavery expert then told me I had no right to do so, would he get flamed on social media and be accused of killing me with his tweets? Would books shops stop selling his books?

That incident in Charlottesville was about protesting the removal of the Robert E Lee statue. Robert E Lee was an amazing wartime general and a legendary figure within the Confederacy. The war was about a lot more than slavery but is often simplified - to it's detriment - to just be about slavery, which creates the fervent animosity towards figures such as Lee and Jackson - without the context of understanding the war. Don't get me wrong, the Confederacy wanted to uphold slavery, it was an agricultural economy. The war itself was about taxes, and the federal government levied excessive import and export taxes on the agricultural commodities of the South, they fought to reduce such measures and when that was unsuccessful they wanted secession. It's a very complex topic, and there are still black people that carry Confederate flags in the South today. Not because they're stupid and supporting the enemy - which is what some people claim - but because the Confederate flag for them represents the South and they're proud of their Southern heritage - as they have every right to be.

You pretended to care about industrial scale murders and mass slavery, when you tried to attack me when I was reminiscing about my fun experiences with drugs in London. You (very weirdly) brought the posts I made on the Centrists thread, as a way to invalidate my political views. All of that whilst: 1) you’ve probably done as much drugs as I have, therefore you’re as guilty of supporting “industrial scale murders” and mass slavery 2) you hold and share your strong political views more often than I do (you’ve been attacking Jeremy Corbyn on a daily basis) . Those criticisms would’ve been fair game coming from someone who was strongly anti-drugs (which I honestly thought you were when you posted the rant). The fact that you enjoy getting high just as much as I do, made it baffling. Why should I be judged on a different set of standards than your set yourself?

I was simply taking the piss out of his spelling of obtain. I've seen the NCA report too. The funny thing is, when I mentioned the important factors in modern slavery, not having been mentioned by Gnasher before, he gave some garbled, chin-dribbling response about how it was obvious. Well, yes, it is obvious. He just neglected to mention them himself, instead harping on about 'freedom of movement' as the cause whilst ignoring my link saying how Brexit is going to make it worse for slaves. I suspect the truth is this: Gnasher doesn't give a flying fuck about slaves or modern slavery any more than Rico cared deeply about Jews when slamming Corbyn. He cares about sticking it to the EU. In short, he's an absolute prick and I feel that you treating his arguments - and by arguments, I mean contextless links that he hasn't read - as if they are credible probably does more harm than good. I'd let him sit and gnaw on his coffee table. That's just me, though.

I wasn't joking. I detest paying for labour. I'm in favour if getting in Europeans in to do loads of work for fuck all. Because, as we know well, you can't support free movement of people whilst also being against slavery. That's why I support Brexit, which will make it harder to stop Modern Slavery, which only happens in the EU and places where there are free movement. Now, can I have me leftie card back?

Definitely. There's a reason slavery never came to the UK. We didn't need any.