Hicks scuppers two 'perfect fit' offers for Liverpool

[Cliff T. Beast]

fan ownership is totally unrealistic in my opinion

[stringvest]

:thumbup:

 

I honestly don't think that we should make any judgements on where negotiations are (or are not).

 

at last, something I do agree with!

[zigackly]

Yes but then couldn't he have done them for breach of contract for selling players against his wishes or some shite?

 

What on earth would make you think that?

 

Full control and all that.

 

Oh, that old chestnut.

 

I don't think he ever had it.

 

This was from the Texan cunt when he signed the contract:

 

"I sat down with Rafa a couple of months ago and he made it very clear that he knows a manager can't have control over transfer budget. He has had his frustrations over the last five years and those are well chronicled, but he will make the recommendations about which players we sign and the new CEO, the owners and the board will make the final financial commitment. And that is the way it needs to be."

 

Doesn't sound like a power of veto to me.

[aws]

What on earth would make you think that?

 

 

 

Oh, that old chestnut.

 

I don't think he ever had it.

 

This was from the Texan cunt when he signed the contract:

 

"I sat down with Rafa a couple of months ago and he made it very clear that he knows a manager can't have control over transfer budget. He has had his frustrations over the last five years and those are well chronicled, but he will make the recommendations about which players we sign and the new CEO, the owners and the board will make the final financial commitment. And that is the way it needs to be."

 

Doesn't sound like a power of veto to me.

 

Agree with that. He never had control over the size of the budget - that was just another stick to beat him with. He just won the argument that the budget would be used on the players he wanted.(Or at least he thought he'd won the argument).

[Section_31]

Time to hit RBS again with some emails and better yet a demo at their HQ.

 

I don't think you need to mate, you'd be preaching to the choir. The reason they're leaking their 'private frustrations' is because they think he's a tit.

 

wonder if the American investor is Robert Kraft?

 

Not sure I want any more Americans near this club, that's not racialist, I just don't like their business culture and their attitude to sport - they just don't understand what football means to the rest of the world, it carries a different social standing there entirely, and they like buying things without spending money.

[zigackly]

Agree with that. He never had control over the size of the budget - that was just another stick to beat him with. He just won the argument that the budget would be used on the players he wanted.(Or at least he thought he'd won the argument).

 

It's like the £16M clause; it's been bandied around a lot but never officially confirmed and neither ever sounded realistic to me. I think the control he had was that if the money was there he could buy a player and not have Parry or his equivalent pull the plug like the Barry deal.

 

He even implied fairly strongly himself that he couldn't have stopped a sale of Torres when he said he would resign if he was sold.

 

Getting back on topic, the most disturbing part about the idea of Hicks blocking these two offers is that we've evidently been sold a line of bullshit by Broughton himself when he said that he had the power to accept decent offers. Looking more and more like a well-spoken figurehead and nothing else.

Edited June 8, 2010 by zigackly

[waddy78]

It's like the £16M clause; it's been bandied around a lot but never officially confirmed and neither ever sounded realistic to me. I think the control he had was that if the money was there he could buy a player and not have Parry or his equivalent pull the plug like the Barry deal.

 

He even implied fairly strongly himself that he couldn't have stopped a sale of Torres when he said he would resign if he was sold.

 

Getting back on topic, the most disturbing part about the idea of Hicks blocking these two offers is that we've evidently been sold a line of bullshit by Broughton himself when he said that he had the power to accept decent offers. Looking more and more like a well-spoken figurehead and nothing else.

 

couldnt agree more ,the more Broughton opens his mouth the more i want to shove my boot in it,when he arrived i thought (naively) that this could have been a forward step maybe a show of intent from the banks(without them stating it publicly) but the longer he's here the more im starting to think he was just a "plant" by the yanks to make it look as thought they are trying to do the right thing we need Purslow out(i might be wrong but i feel he as his own agenda that isnt in our interests) the 2 twats gone and the chav rent boy gone aswell then lets get our world famous club back were it should be

[Trucker Paddy]

Getting back on topic, the most disturbing part about the idea of Hicks blocking these two offers is that we've evidently been sold a line of bullshit by Broughton himself when he said that he had the power to accept decent offers. Looking more and more like a well-spoken figurehead and nothing else.

 

Not saying he did'nt, but when did he say that?

[toneloc]

don't think he did when he was askeed ...

 

Tom Hicks has recently said that he expects the club to go for £800m. Do you consider this statement realistic? Are such statements putting off potential buyers?

 

"I'm not sure what has been said and by whom - there's been all sorts of things in the media but there is no price. There's no fixed price, there's no agreed price - it's a willing buyer / willing seller trade. We have willing sellers and I think there are willing buyers out there - that will determine the price."

 

So he was clear that seller's still had to agree

[zigackly]

Not saying he did'nt, but when did he say that?

 

My mistake. I thought Broughton had said himself that he had the casting vote, but it appears that it was just widely reported, and I can't find any direct quotes from him.

 

Here's a Financial Times article saying it, for instance.

 

"The owners, whose tenure has been plagued by rows and disputes, are understood to have signed a legal document giving Mr Broughton a casting vote on all board issues, including the planned sale."

[WaltonRed]

Section I know what you mean.

 

I just feel we have to do something

[DTM]

I think it's time to really hit RBS.

 

I work in investment banking and I know a couple of senior RBS people in London. They care massively about their reputation and their brand image to the world - they spend a small fortune on maintaining this. Forget about hammering emails. If we can do an effective, well organised protest outside their London head office where they have many high profile clients visiting them on a day to day basis. We would get far more press exposure on this and they would highly likely take action on Hicks and Gillette.

[Iantn]

Not sure I want any more Americans near this club, that's not racialist, I just don't like their business culture and their attitude to sport - they just don't understand what football means to the rest of the world, it carries a different social standing there entirely, and they like buying things without spending money.

 

I think Villa have done alright outta Randy Lerner but I do take your point on that.

[Horus]

I think Villa have done alright outta Randy Lerner but I do take your point on that.

 

I don't think Randy Lerner is everything he's made out to be. Villa's debts are growing and I don't believe for one second that Villa aren't paying for his purchase of the club. He's just been very clever about the way he has handled himself.

 

Section 31 is spot on in his post but I need to spread the rep around before I can give him anymore.

[theghost]

If it is Kraft, don't expect things to get any better. He owns a footie team here. They're totally an afterthought, a borderline disgrace and he is the cheapest owner in the league by some distance.

[stringvest]

I think it's time to really hit RBS.

 

I work in investment banking and I know a couple of senior RBS people in London. They care massively about their reputation and their brand image to the world - they spend a small fortune on maintaining this. Forget about hammering emails. If we can do an effective, well organised protest outside their London head office where they have many high profile clients visiting them on a day to day basis. We would get far more press exposure on this and they would highly likely take action on Hicks and Gillette.

 

No they wouldn't, imo. Why would they create a precedent that anybody who held a grudge about an RBS investment would seize upon? You'd have pensioners clogging Bishopsgate before you knew it.

[RedKnight]

If it is Kraft, don't expect things to get any better. He owns a footie team here. They're totally an afterthought, a borderline disgrace and he is the cheapest owner in the league by some distance.

 

Yeah but when he was linked all the media over here pointed to the Pats dynasty as evidence of his ownership qualities. They did the same with Tampa and the Glazers. Plus didn't he build Gillette Stadium?

[theghost]

Yeah but when he was linked all the media over here pointed to the Pats dynasty as evidence of his ownership qualities. They did the same with Tampa and the Glazers. Plus didn't he build Gillette Stadium?

 

That's largely my point, and if the above rumors about Lerner are true, it's more fuel to that fire. Plus the Pats are notoriously cheap. They're just very shrewd - at least they have been in the past.

[RedKnight]

That's largely my point, and if the above rumors about Lerner are true, it's more fuel to that fire. Plus the Pats are notoriously cheap. They're just very shrewd - at least they have been in the past.

 

The Pats being cheap, is that a Belichick thing or a Kraft thing? I know they love trading down in drafts but is that an order from ownership or a GM thing? I never got the Lerner thing either because the Browns have sucked since the expansion, he's always seemed a mingebag.

[theghost]

The Pats being cheap, is that a Belichick thing or a Kraft thing? I know they love trading down in drafts but is that an order from ownership or a GM thing? I never got the Lerner thing either because the Browns have sucked since the expansion, he's always seemed a mingebag.

 

I'm not really sure. I would assume they work in concert together, but I don't have any facts either way.

[theghost]

On being called “cheap.”

 

“Well, the way I look at it, why did we buy this entity? We were fans in this area and we looked forward to buying this team and trying to create something special. We’ve had 16 years that we’ve owned the team. There is no team that has won more football games the last 16 years than the New England Patriots. We’ve gone to six championship games; we’ve won five. We’ve gone to five Super Bowls; we’ve won three. So people might find fault with the way we do something, but life is about execution and not chit chat and chatter. Lots of people can talk a lot, but in the end you judge us by our results in the last 16 years and the fact that there are 32 teams, I’m pretty proud that we have the best won-loss record in that period. We don’t always do the right thing, but this is a dynamic business that we have to be flexible, go with the flow, and I think that 16 year record is pretty cool.

 

“If people want to say we’re cheap, I don’t know what that means. I understand certain players wanting to position themselves to maybe tell the market place, ‘I think I’m going to be available.’ That’s OK, but in the end, we’re concerned about how many football games we win at the end of the year. The headlines now, the discussions now, that’s all parts of the puzzle, but in the end what happens in December, January, and February is what really matters to us.”

[Gary Mac Legend]

Lads, I think you're all missing the painfully obvious here, I don't for one second think that Hicks has any intention of selling the club soon at all. Hick's is an egotistical piece of shit, who's empire is crumbling around him. He's not even a billionaire anymore (recent Forbes list). He has lost potentially £200million on the collapse of the Texas Rangers, and he himself states that he is looking to make it back on the sale of Liverpool FC. Why is he holding out for £800 million? The Fat Fuckers laughing. He's fooled RBS into giving him another 12 months to bleed the club dry. He's got that Chav Loving Muppet Broughton to add some 'credibility'. What will this achieve? We already know Broughton was part of sacking Benitez. Wasn't he meant to be focusing on selling the club 'in a matter of months.'? He will facilitate the sale of Torres to Chav$ki at no doubt a cut-price.

 

So, with Benitez gone, and Hodgson coming in, commence the asset stripping. Torres, £50 million? Gerrard £30 million? Mascherano £30 million? Reina £30 million. How much more for Agger? Johnson? etc.

 

The club is insolvent, it owes more than it's worth, so Asset stripping is the only conceivable way it can continue to run. Hicks will take the club for the ride of it's life, and walk away in 12-24 months time, laughing while the administrators try to figure out the fucking mess he's caused, and that other fat fuckwit Gillet as well.

 

We've been well and truly taken for a ride over the last 3 and a half years. David Moores, after failing to do a check on these pirates has to be hung from the Shankly Gates after our relegation is confirmed in the next couple of seasons. Genuinely thought the glory days were coming back after Istanbul. Five years later, we're so fucked it's unreal. Heard today from Balague, that City have offered Torres £200'000 a week, meaning the club have already accepted a bid for Torres?? Oh boy are we fucked. Saddle up, It's gonna be a fucking long time before these cowboys ride away into the sun. The best chance? Target RBS like you seriously mean it. I've already e-mailed them and commented on their feedback form. Find their site, go do the same. We need a demonstration outside their office, if you have an account with them, close it immediately and explain why.

[Springer]

Lads, I think you're all missing the painfully obvious here, I don't for one second think that Hicks has any intention of selling the club soon at all. Hick's is an egotistical piece of shit, who's empire is crumbling around him. He's not even a billionaire anymore (recent Forbes list). He has lost potentially £200million on the collapse of the Texas Rangers, and he himself states that he is looking to make it back on the sale of Liverpool FC. Why is he holding out for £800 million? The Fat Fuckers laughing. He's fooled RBS into giving him another 12 months to bleed the club dry. He's got that Chav Loving Muppet Broughton to add some 'credibility'. What will this achieve? We already know Broughton was part of sacking Benitez. Wasn't he meant to be focusing on selling the club 'in a matter of months.'? He will facilitate the sale of Torres to Chav$ki at no doubt a cut-price.

 

So, with Benitez gone, and Hodgson coming in, commence the asset stripping. Torres, £50 million? Gerrard £30 million? Mascherano £30 million? Reina £30 million. How much more for Agger? Johnson? etc.

 

The club is insolvent, it owes more than it's worth, so Asset stripping is the only conceivable way it can continue to run. Hicks will take the club for the ride of it's life, and walk away in 12-24 months time, laughing while the administrators try to figure out the fucking mess he's caused, and that other fat fuckwit Gillet as well.

 

We've been well and truly taken for a ride over the last 3 and a half years. David Moores, after failing to do a check on these pirates has to be hung from the Shankly Gates after our relegation is confirmed in the next couple of seasons. Genuinely thought the glory days were coming back after Istanbul. Five years later, we're so fucked it's unreal. Heard today from Balague, that City have offered Torres £200'000 a week, meaning the club have already accepted a bid for Torres?? Oh boy are we fucked. Saddle up, It's gonna be a fucking long time before these cowboys ride away into the sun. The best chance? Target RBS like you seriously mean it. I've already e-mailed them and commented on their feedback form. Find their site, go do the same. We need a demonstration outside their office, if you have an account with them, close it immediately and explain why.

 

If Hicks want £800m, he can`t sell Torres, Gerrard and Mash.

[WaltonRed]

And teams have always given players offers on the sly without bidding first so dont read to much in to the 200k a week offer to the kid.

[Gary Mac Legend]

If Hicks want £800m, he can`t sell Torres, Gerrard and Mash.

 

He doesn't, he's fucking us around so he can stay longer. He's loving it, racking up money everyday.

 

You gotta see, Hick's can't get £600 let alone £800 million with or without Torres, Gerrard and Masch