On whose head does it fall?

[Tyler Durden]

How the fuck can we be in the exact same situation as last year pissing about in the last 2 weeks of the window, have they learnt fucking nothing because to me it's starting to look like they are massively shit at owning a football club, we just lurch from one massive cock up to another yet no changes are made.

 

The only fucking highlight from these owners since they arrived here is when we signed Coutihno and Sturridge last January (and even then Sturridge should have arrived in the summer when we sniffed around him) everything else they have done since then has been massively underwhelming or struck to death with inertia.

 

I don't want to hear one more person mention the fact they have 'tried' to sign players or ill crack up, we used to buzz off Everton fans for swallowing that shite off Kenwright and now we've got the fucking Pom Pom brigade on here telling everyone to stay calm, well I tried that last year and watched an epic failure unfold which had every other team laughing at us, so sorry I don't have the same faith.

 

Owning a football club is not going to reap massive profits, it's as simple as that so either divvy up the money and push these deals through or keep being mingebags and make Rodgers look a cunt at the end of the window (which he best had speak out about if he wants and credit in this farce from me).

[ngogswilly]

How the fuck can we be in the exact same situation as last year pissing about in the last 2 weeks of the window, have they learnt fucking nothing because to me it's starting to look like they are massively shit at owning a football club, we just lurch from one massive cock up to another yet no changes are made.

 

The only fucking highlight from these owners since they arrived here is when we signed Coutihno and Sturridge last January (and even then Sturridge should have arrived in the summer when we sniffed around him) everything else they have done since then has been massively underwhelming or struck to death with inertia.

 

I don't want to hear one more person mention the fact they have 'tried' to sign players or ill crack up, we used to buzz off Everton fans for swallowing that shite off Kenwright and now we've got the fucking Pom Pom brigade on here telling everyone to stay calm, well I tried that last year and watched an epic failure unfold which had every other team laughing at us, so sorry I don't have the same faith.

 

Owning a football club is not going to reap massive profits, it's as simple as that so either divvy up the money and push these deals through or keep being mingebags and make Rodgers look a cunt at the end of the window (which he best had speak out about if he wants and credit in this farce from me).

 

Pom Pom Brigade :lol:

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Well you leap to their defence every time anyone is slightly critical of them

 

I was defending what I said. I don't give a fuck about FSG. I've no need to defend them. They've nothing to do with me. I'll praise something they do if I agree with it. I'll criticise if I don't. What I won't do is blindly criticise without thinking for myself.

 

it's comical

 

You could try sharing an opinion. It makes you look less brainless and more like somebody with something interesting to offer. You might disagree with something I've said, which is fine. Actually, it's great. Just explain why I'm such a fucking idiot who should be pointed at and howled at, then we can go from there. That's how conversations work.

 

And what does "we've earned nothing" mean? Seriously, what the fuckety fuck does that mean????

 

I'm talking about profit. Obviously.

[BCM]

The blunt answer is that our owners have failed to appoint a CEO and Manager appropriate to a club amongst the top ten richest in the world. The rest leads on from that.

 

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The head and tail of it.

[BCM]

People stopped blowing smoke up Henry arse now after his tuppence worth on Suarez.

 

The PR smoke beginning to clear and all becomes clear.

[Coro]

 

It's just a little slimy, It's still good, it's still good!

[JoeyJones65]

People stopped blowing smoke up Henry arse now after his tuppence worth on Suarez.

 

The PR smoke beginning to clear and all becomes clear.

 

And to think he described Arsenal as a Champions League rival...yeah righto John just keep deluding yourself that a £5 million transfer window profit and no investment in the first team puts us in with a chance of competing for the top 4.

 

You are deluded Mr Henry...Tom Werner is a fat bullshitter "we have the resources to compete with anyone" and Ian Ayre is a useless shoulder sitting pisshead cunt.

 

I feel sorry for Brendan Rodgers working under these clowns.

[Ranxerox]

Aspas may be an improvement, Toure and mignolet its a fine line for me. Either way we don't look better than 6th in my eyes. Rodgers himself alluded to it in his pres conference this morning. You want to compete you need quality and we don't seem to want it enough.

 

missed that, could you elaborate?

[dennis tooth]

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Edited August 22, 2013 by dennis tooth

[dennis tooth]

The club pays for itself, their money is safe, they will make on us if they sell easily.

Its all good and well pointing out profit and so on Numero but the above is true also and something you neglect to ever mention.

Even without CL we have record sponsorship deals, they want CL but they dont understand football and none of our owners have made a concerted effort to come and sit in the stands each week, get to grip with the game and LFC as an entity, among the support. They dont care, their investment is safe, we are just another stock or share to them, theres emotion in some regard in their ownership of Boston redsocks, witness them foistering the boston marathon on Anne Williams tribute.

I dont recall Boston doing any stuff for Hillsborough or anything, I could be wrong of course.

Anyway point is their investment is safe, there is a margin whereby they can afford to take a hit, its called a barbed strategy, theres the investment, the profit in selling the club and to keep it simple, a buffer zone for loss. (Be that transfer loss or a disaster season or having to employ then sack and pay off the likes of Commolli etc)

Beyond that they arent interested as that would hit the profits, sadly their buffer is not enough to compete realistically (Without a manager who can make a team more than the sum of their parts but this concept is presumably as alien to them as the game of football it seems.) for the top four. However it is enough to keep us top 8 which is within touching distance of the top 4, any prospective buyer will be advised that, with a little more investment its possible to get there. They want it, dont get me wrong but not like we do, CL qualification is merely a momentary thing, potential buyers will look past that, you can qualify one season but lose out the next, its not something that its cost effective to get into, only the superrich are doing it now and their owners dont give a fuck about losing a few hundred million cos them type of owners are after other things than profit. We are merely part of a portfolio, they bought us low and they will sell us as high as possible, CL qualification will have a bearing on the asking price but not massively, so long as we are in this league and near enough to it that will be enough. Maybe they will get lucky with a few youngsters who go on to be the next Bale or Willan and they can be sold off as long as the fans are passive enough.

However if the supporters kick up enough of a fuss it can mess up their plans and force them to either invest seriously or sell up and take what they can for the club.

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[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

The club pays for itself

 

No, Dennis. No.

[dennis tooth]

And I cant recall exactly how long but we wasted months doing nothing after sacking Kenny, which was a decision they made in December/January, still they did not bother to get anyone lined up or even look into who might be our next manager, they told us they were looking at the best available, then drew up a shortlist of young managers out their arse.

Did they go round Europe finding the best man or did they tell Martinez and Rodgers to fly out to boston for a coffee and a job offer? Rodgers accepted, they didnt speak to the other one Lambert, they told us they were going to speak to all 5 people on their list and make a decision, in actual fact they offered it to the first two to get to Boston ("Sign the contract, now get outta my sight") and thats only cos the first one wass wise enough to turn us down. He's ended up at Everton but looks happy enough despite having no money to spend, he could have been our manager, this man took his team down, thankfully he knocked that crazy yank back, he kept his dignity and we stayed in the Prem.

They sat round pulled that stunt then rushed their decision anyway, went back on their word, got outmanouvered by the Wigan chairman, fucked it up continued to lie and tell us with a straight face Rodgers was their first choice. There were enough idiots to lap up their golden goose wild goose chase before slitting the gooses neck, cos whats good for the goose is good for making a documentry about and putting it on american TV.

This season football, and the Prem will take off in the states and the goose will come home to roost.

But although they rushed that they made sure it was too late for the new manager to make any decent signings of note, what you want Sigurdson, Dempsey, a replacement for Carroll? Oh sorry look the transfer windows closed, how convenient. ANd we didnt spend the previous window cos look no value in that market (Coming from a man who had spent about 5 minutes researching football and knew the square root of fuck all but who had funnily enough made his mind up to sack Kenny already) apparently.

They are time wasters, big fucking time wasters, every fucking American who owns a Premiership club is the fucking same.

[stringvest]

Mignolet in £9M, Reina out on loan.

 

Alberto in £8M, Suso out on loan.

 

It cant really be defended can it?

 

those bits can, but anyone would struggle to defend the owners if we don't bring in a couple of good players before the window closes.

[King Emlyn]

sometimes Coro, you've just got to let these things go. I still can't believe we blew 100K on Alun Evans, but my therapist taught me to channel the anger into something more positive.

Remember that hat trick though fellow arl arse? Warra night.

[dennis tooth]

No, Dennis. No.

 

You dont seem to understand the concept investment, you need to give it 5 years on an investment, you think they wont hit the jackpot should, and it will, Footy take off in America?

Thats what they are banking on and working hard at. Very hard. Wisely so in my opinion. All the american owners have the same idea.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

You dont seem to understand the concept investment

 

Well, I do understand it, but that's not the point I was making.

[Kevin D]

The club pays for itself, their money is safe, they will make on us if they sell easily.

Its all good and well pointing out profit and so on Numero but the above is true also and something you neglect to ever mention.

Even without CL we have record sponsorship deals, they want CL but they dont understand football and none of our owners have made a concerted effort to come and sit in the stands each week, get to grip with the game and LFC as an entity, among the support. They dont care, their investment is safe, we are just another stock or share to them, theres emotion in some regard in their ownership of Boston redsocks, witness them foistering the boston marathon on Anne Williams tribute.

I dont recall Boston doing any stuff for Hillsborough or anything, I could be wrong of course.

Anyway point is their investment is safe, there is a margin whereby they can afford to take a hit, its called a barbed strategy, theres the investment, the profit in selling the club and to keep it simple, a buffer zone for loss. (Be that transfer loss or a disaster season or having to employ then sack and pay off the likes of Commolli etc)

Beyond that they arent interested as that would hit the profits, sadly their buffer is not enough to compete realistically (Without a manager who can make a team more than the sum of their parts but this concept is presumably as alien to them as the game of football it seems.) for the top four. However it is enough to keep us top 8 which is within touching distance of the top 4, any prospective buyer will be advised that, with a little more investment its possible to get there. They want it, dont get me wrong but not like we do, CL qualification is merely a momentary thing, potential buyers will look past that, you can qualify one season but lose out the next, its not something that its cost effective to get into, only the superrich are doing it now and their owners dont give a fuck about losing a few hundred million cos them type of owners are after other things than profit. We are merely part of a portfolio, they bought us low and they will sell us as high as possible, CL qualification will have a bearing on the asking price but not massively, so long as we are in this league and near enough to it that will be enough. Maybe they will get lucky with a few youngsters who go on to be the next Bale or Willan and they can be sold off as long as the fans are passive enough.

However if the supporters kick up enough of a fuss it can mess up their plans and force them to either invest seriously or sell up and take what they can for the club.

 

To be honest, I'm getting a bit sick of this disrespectful conspiratorial claptrap aimed at the owners.

 

They have no interest in money and only ache to win, if you don't believe me, read Mr. Henry's heroic words from last year:

 

John Henry's open letter to fans - Liverpool FC

 

I am as disappointed as anyone connected with Liverpool Football Club that we were unable to add further to our strike force in this summer transfer window, but that was not through any lack of desire or effort on the part of all of those involved. They pushed hard in the final days of the transfer window on a number of forward targets and it is unfortunate that on this occasion we were unable to conclude acceptable deals to bring those targets in.

 

But a summer window which brought in three young, but significantly talented starters in Joe Allen, Nuri Sahin and Fabio Borini as well as two exciting young potential stars of the future - Samed Yesil and Oussama Assaidi - could hardly be deemed a failure as we build for the future.

 

Nor should anyone minimise the importance of keeping our best players during this window. We successfully retained Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel and Luis Suarez. We greatly appreciate their faith and belief in the club. And we successfully negotiated new, long-term contracts with Luis and with Martin.

 

No one should doubt our commitment to the club. In Brendan Rodgers we have a talented young manager and we have valued highly his judgement about the make-up of the squad. This is a work in progress. It will take time for Brendan to instill his philosophy into the squad and build exactly what he needs for the long term.

 

The transfer policy was not about cutting costs. It was - and will be in the future - about getting maximum value for what is spent so that we can build quality and depth. We are avowed proponents of UEFA's Financial Fair Play agenda that was this week reiterated by Mr Platini - something we heartily applaud. We must comply with Financial Fair Play guidelines that ensure spending is tied to income. We have been successful in improving the commercial side of the club and the monies generated going forward will give us greater spending power in the coming years.

 

We are still in the process of reversing the errors of previous regimes. It will not happen overnight. It has been compounded by our own mistakes in a difficult first two years of ownership. It has been a harsh education, but make no mistake, the club is healthier today than when we took over.

 

Spending is not merely about buying talent. Our ambitions do not lie in cementing a mid-table place with expensive, short-term quick fixes that will only contribute for a couple of years. Our emphasis will be on developing our own players using the skills of an increasingly impressive coaching team. Much thought and investment already have gone into developing a self-sustaining pool of youngsters imbued in the club's traditions.

 

That ethos is to win. We will invest to succeed. But we will not mortgage the future with risky spending.

 

After almost two years at Anfield, we are close to having the system we need in place. The transfer window may not have been perfect but we are not just looking at the next 16 weeks until we can buy again: we are looking at the next 16 years and beyond. These are the first steps in restoring one of the world's great clubs to its proper status.

 

It will not be easy, it will not be perfect, but there is a clear vision at work.

 

We will build and grow from within, buy prudently and cleverly and never again waste resources on inflated transfer fees and unrealistic wages. We have no fear of spending and competing with the very best but we will not overpay for players.

 

We will never place this club in the precarious position that we found it in when we took over at Anfield. This club should never again run up debts that threaten its existence.

 

Most of all, we want to win. That ambition drives every decision. It is the Liverpool way. We can and will generate the revenues to achieve that aim. There will be short-term setbacks from time to time, but we believe we have the right people in place to bring more glory to Anfield.

 

Finally, I can say with authority that our ownership is not about profit. Contrary to popular opinion, owners rarely get involved in sports in order to generate cash. They generally get involved with a club in order to compete and work for the benefit of their club. It's often difficult. In our case we work every day in order to generate revenues to improve the club. We have only one driving ambition at Liverpool and that is the quest to win the Premier League playing the kind of football our supporters want to see. That will only occur if we do absolutely the right things to build the club in a way that makes sense for supporters, for us and for those who will follow us. We will deliver what every long-term supporter of Liverpool Football Club aches for.

[stringvest]

Remember that hat trick though fellow arl arse? Warra night.

 

haha! I have to say I didn't remember who it was against, so I googled it. I always remember him, as he looked a bit more glamorous than the rest of the team, but he didn't live up to his price tag. Keegan joining and shaking the whole club up did for Evans I think. It's impossible to overstate the impact Keegan made on the club. He was the game changing signing that turned us into the dominant force we went on to be. From Scunthorpe to greatness in the blink of an eye.

[Code]

those bits can, but anyone would struggle to defend the owners if we don't bring in a couple of good players before the window closes.

 

But thats the thing, we have spent close to £17M on two players and not really upgraded while positions where we are in a massive need for upgrades have been ignored so far.

 

Mignolet is a decent keeper, But I'm not one for buying into the theory we had to make a deal in May to get someone of his quality in for £9M.

 

I'd argue we could go out tomorrow and buy a keeper with the same level of ability if we actually needed to.

 

Its such a massive fuck up its not even funny.

 

We have a massive hole in our CM, we have done fuck all about it, we have major goalscoring problems from out wide, we have done fuck all about them.

 

People can point to the owners all they like, but the manager is just as much to blame for this as them, he's simply got his priorities completely wrong.

[TheHowieLama]

I watched Chelsea/Villa last night on the free basic cable feed through NBC.

Our game on Saturday is on their national network. These guys work fast.

[thompsonsnose]

those bits can, but anyone would struggle to defend the owners if we don't bring in a couple of good players before the window closes.

 

Alberto is gonna have to turn out to be more than half decent to make that one stack up.

I don't think i saw Suso play badly for Liverpool.

Reina, well he should have been sold. But we've been there and done that.

[King Emlyn]

haha! I have to say I didn't remember who it was against, so I googled it. I always remember him, as he looked a bit more glamorous than the rest of the team, but he didn't live up to his price tag. Keegan joining and shaking the whole club up did for Evans I think. It's impossible to overstate the impact Keegan made on the club. He was the game changing signing that turned us into the dominant force we went on to be. From Scunthorpe to greatness in the blink of an eye.

Ha ha, I remember watching that hat trick on sportsnight, remember that? Of course you do, Bang on about Keegan by the way.

[rainman]

recall that he got an award from german tv for that.

 

think it was a nasty injury, that and getting glassed in his girlfiend's father's nightclub in wolverhampton started his slide.

[dennis tooth]

If Alberto and Aspas had signed for Norwich, would we rate them so highly, just to bring a bit of reality to the party, not saying they wont be successful for us.