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Are you happy about Benteke?

    The Christian Benteke saga looks to be nearing it's conclusion after the Reds activated his release clause by agreeing to pay Aston Villa a whopping £32.5m for the big Belgian. The news hasn't been met with universal approval amongst the fans so we asked three of our contributors for their view on what will be the second most expensive signing in club history should the deal go through...

The first thing to state about this issue is that I've always believed that the club should back the manager. I felt there was clear justification to remove him at the end of the season and, despite liking and rating him, would have sent him packing once Jurgen Klopp's availability was confirmed. However, FSG have stood by their man and are therefore committed to backing him or else it's tantamount to telling him to pack his bags anyway. So in that regard, I think this is an important signing. 

 

In terms of the player himself, he's obviously a talent. He is very powerful, great in the air and has good touch and awareness. Best of all though is that he has a one in two record over the last three seasons for Villa. Furthermore, he utterly destroyed us at Anfield in Rodgers' first season, bullying Martin Skrtel to such an extent I literally felt embarrassed to watch. 

 

Unusually, I was sat in the Main Stand in line with the edge of the area that day and Benteke repeatedly turned Skrtel inside out and knocked him all over the place right in front of me. That made a strong impression that I haven't forgotten and I'm therefore not in the daft "He's rubbish" camp that has emerged amongst Reds this summer. 

 

However, what is concerning about this imminent signing is the way Brendan seems to base his transfer targets around performances against us as it has backfired in a number of cases of late; not least with Dejan Lovren. Raising your game against Liverpool is what you'd expect from every player in the league. We need to look at how they do against everyone else as well though. 

 

And in that regard, Benteke's goal record looks good: 49 in 101 over three seasons. However, there are peaks and troughs within that figure with a great first season followed by sporadic purple patches and a serious injury. That said, under Sherwood, he quite clearly began to spark once more - but the issue is why and how. 

 

For me, therein lies the problem. Benteke has predominantly played in a different way to how we operate. He's been asked to feed off service from the flanks and has responded well. However that is emphatically not our game and nor do I see it becoming so either as we simply don't have the players for it. 

 

In fact, to me this transfer smacks of further murky thinking from the manager around his system of play. Last summer we seemed to throw the blueprint out of the window and grab players unsuited to the mobile "diamond plus two" style that had taken us so close to the title. Don't get me wrong, I know there isn't a Luis Mk II out there. However, there are approximations and I think we'd be far better served going for tricky mobile types rather than a (flat track?) bully like Benteke. 

 

That all said, I'll suspend my disbelief and back him to the hilt. Don't be mistaken, though - this almost certainly represents Rodgers' last chance at a Red future because if he doesn't make an investment of this size count, he'll be gone quicker than you can say, "Jurgen to the rescue!"

 

Let's hope he can set the team up to get the lad firing then because the last thing this club needs is yet another revolution of playing and coaching staff that sees more money flushed down the drain. That's certainly what'll happen if he doesn't. 

 

No pressure there then, Christian! Welcome to Liverpool. 

 

Paul Natton

@OxtonSoulBoy

 


 

I’m on the fence. I rate Benteke very highly and on his day he’s as good as almost any striker in the Premier League. He’s been unplayable against us a few times and is a much better footballer than he’s given credit for. He’s not just a lump who scores headers and comparisons with Andy Carroll are way off beam and unfair. He’s a clever link player who likes to drop off and get involved in the build up, and he loves a sneaky back heel.

 

All that said, he also thrives on crosses and Tim Sherwood got the best out of him by getting balls into the box early from wide areas. He didn’t do it by playing wingers who get to the byline and whip crosses over, Sherwood played a midfield diamond and it was the full backs or midfielders who supplied the crosses, often from deep. We have players who can do that, but it’s not been Rodgers’ style and we cross the ball less than anybody else in the league, so will that now change? Presumably it will, otherwise what’s the point in spending so much on Benteke?

 

It’s not that he can’t be successful without that kind of service, but without it you’re not getting the maximum from the player. Why go for Benteke and have him at 75% effectiveness when you could get someone more suited to how you play and have them at 100% of their capability? It’s like signing a teenage Michael Owen and telling him he’s not allowed to run fast or telling Adam Lallana he can’t do Cruyff turns and run his fingers through his hair every ten seconds.

 

So I have some doubts about how successful this signing will be, but I’m far from being totally against it. I do like the options we now have in terms of playing either 4-3-3 or a 4-4-2 diamond. Benteke could play through the middle on his own, or in a two with Roberto Firmino, Divock Origi or Danny Ings. And if and when Sturridge returns at full capacity there’s no reason they couldn’t form an effective pairing.

 

 

I’m not at all worried that Benteke will be a complete flop because he’s too good a player for that. He’ll either be brilliant or average.

 

Dave Usher

@theliverpoolway

 


 

Before I even start I should say that I hope Benteke is a roaring success at Liverpool and he scores loads of goals for us. Right, now that I’ve said that I have to admit that I’m completely underwhelmed by Benteke signing for Liverpool. I won’t deny that my reasons aren’t grounded in fact or reason but then that’s part of being a football fan isn’t it?

 

First off, whatever Aston Villa are selling, I’m not buying. Nothing good ever came out of Aston Villa. The last signing we made from there was one of the worst we ever made, I still get shivers watching that player underperforming in games, flat-out disappearing when the going got tough and then don’t forget that the one time he did score, he shushed the Kop. Yes, Stewart Downing’s shadow lingers long over my thoughts on Aston Villa and Liverpool transfers.

 

Of course this is a completely unreasonable line of thinking and it’s not one that I take completely seriously (although the Downing stuff is all true, he was CRAP) but it does parlay into something else. There’s nothing attractive about signing a player from Aston Villa, they’re a dull team with dull fans who are dull to watch. Now Tactic Timmy did rectify that somewhat last season by making his defenders defend like, well, us for the latter part of the season but still, exciting players don’t come from Villa.

 

If we’re splashing north of £30 million on a player then I’d like said player to come from a big team and be a big name. Is that shallow? Absolutely but again, there’s a kernel of sense in there (no, there is) because what Benteke really lays bare is that Liverpool’s transfer policy is based on a flawed premise that it’s not the outlay on fee that matters but the wages the player is paid. Liverpool are willing to pay £30 million, that’s great, but surely we can agree that there are other players out there who would cost in the same region but who are better players and would be a better fit for our style of play. The difference between buying a big name player from a Champions League team and someone from a mid-table Premier League team is that a big name player will already be on large wages whereas someone from a mid-table Premier League team is likely to be on a lot less.

 

In the history of football transfers no player has ever moved clubs for the same wage, they’ve always had an increase. Liverpool don’t want to commit to big wages with a new signing, so they’re happy to increase Benteke’s wage from say 60k to 100k rather than buy a player who wants a raise from something like 150k to 180k. That philosophy is flawed for me as it’ll always mean that the club is compromising its player searches before they’ve even begun.

 

So I’ll finish as I started. I want nothing more than for this transfer to work out for the player and the club. I hope I’m proven wrong and that my spurious reasoning is shown up. There’s still that nagging doubt in the back of my mind that the club is repeating past mistakes, trying to buy big by identifying players by wage and not by how talented they are. I really hope I’m wrong.

 

Julian Richards

@Juleswithnoname

 


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He's worth a punt at £15M given his Premiership goal record. £32M is a ridiculous fee and we have been mugged I'm afraid. I'm all for spending big money on proven world class talent who fit in with the team. Unfortunately Benteke doesn't qualify and I can see him having a hard time here.

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One thing that does need factoring in to discussions about fees and wages is the imminent leap in TV income. The new CL deal starts this season and the PL one next and that will inflate the market.

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It's a pointlessly extravagant signing we didn't really need. What we need is a new goalkeeper, a new defence and a new midfield, what we've got is a v12 engine strapped to the top of a Reliant Robin.

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It's a pointlessly extravagant signing we didn't really need. What we need is a new goalkeeper, a new defence and a new midfield, what we've got is a v12 engine strapped to the top of a Reliant Robin.

Eh? We've needed a striker for over a year now

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I'm content with the signing, if he stays injury free I think he will be a success.BR obviously wants someone with a physical presence up front and I can't think of any other players in that mould who we could get who would be a guarenteed success, Benteke has shown he can handle the prem so is a good choice imo.

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It's a pointlessly extravagant signing we didn't really need. What we need is a new goalkeeper, a new defence and a new midfield, what we've got is a v12 engine strapped to the top of a Reliant Robin.

Or someone in charge who REALISES we need a new keeper, new defence and new midfield?

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My main concern is whether or not Origi and Ings (the former in particular) will get enough minutes to fulfill their potential here. I hope so, as I think Origi will be a very good player and may even go on to be our best striker. (Don't want to burden him with that at this stage though, but I honestly think all the ingredients are there for him, and it will be frustrating if he spends too much time on the bench). So what of Benteke?

 

Benteke can play on his own up front and occupy defenders, giving our creative players - the likes of Coutinho, Firmino and Lallana - plenty of space to do their thing. Benteke can also play with a partner. He controls the ball and brings others into play. He also scores goals, a variety of goals, and if he keeps up with a 1 in 2 average that will be welcome. 

 

I'm looking forward to seeing how it all pans out. I hope Brendan has a clear plan.

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One thing that does need factoring in to discussions about fees and wages is the imminent leap in TV income. The new CL deal starts this season and the PL one next and that will inflate the market.

 

I have a feeling that FSG aren't suddenly going to start spending lots more money though.

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By who? Angry internet fans?

 

Season before last he was valued at £20m by Spuds and Villa said no. Since then Fellaini and Lukaku have gone for £27m. It's steep but £5m more than those two one season on with the cash flow growing from TV revenues isn't the Andy Carroll esque transfer fee many are making out.

Hardly, at christmas Villa were trying to get rid of him and most fans wanted him out (I know a few Villa fans who go)

 

I know it wasn't necessarily his fault but he was part of a team that scored 8 goals in 4 months of football or something.

 

Hardly represents a 32 million outlay

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He's worth a punt at £15M given his Premiership goal record. £32M is a ridiculous fee and we have been mugged I'm afraid. I'm all for spending big money on proven world class talent who fit in with the team. Unfortunately Benteke doesn't qualify and I can see him having a hard time here.

£15m?? What planet are you on?

 

He's a 1 in 3 goals international striker and a 1 in 2 premier league man.

 

Our fullbacks cost us £16m and £12m which is the going rate for the least talented position on the pitch

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£15m?? What planet are you on?

 

He's a 1 in 3 goals international striker and a 1 in 2 premier league man.

 

Our fullbacks cost us £16m and £12m which is the going rate for the least talented position on the pitch

 

No they didn't.

 

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And you can all say I'm a negative fuck stick but the fact remains - when it comes to calling out shit decisions and shit players I get it right every single time.

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And you can all say I'm a negative fuck stick but the fact remains - when it comes to calling out shit decisions and shit players I get it right every single time.

 

Yeah, but that's just because you play the odds and call everyone shit.

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People assume if you score 15 for a lower team you will get way more for a better quality team. Rarely works out that way. Much more demanding to get 20 goals for Liverpool who often face teams who sit deep and try to hit us on the counter.

 

I saw the last part of the Belgian defeat Against Wales, he was awful playing with better players Like Hazard and De Bryune. Wales parked the bus and he did not offer anything. I reckon he will be OK when we are leading or the game is stretched but in some of those low scoring games last season I doubt he would have made any difference.

 

Belgium are a good example, didn't they prefer Origi over Lukkaku in the World Cup for the reason he gave the team better balance. Despite being a much lesser player.

 

This is what the Belgian coach said following their defeat. Bit shithouse by the manager but highlights something to be aware of.

 

“I changed my system afterwards, because Benteke was isolated. I then played with two strikers, but they need more crosses. We asked them to get to the front post, but they stand there like two poles. We still have work to do.”

 

Read more at http://www.squawka.com/news/belgium-boss-marc-wilmots-slams-christian-benteke-after-wales-defeat/397468#cuzrW4mlO4AXJCI6.99

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And according to sources in Belgium, Benteke has already agreed personal terms and is set to complete his move this weekend.

 

"I think they've already agreed terms so that won't be a problem, I think it's just formalities that need to be done," Belgian journalist Kristoff Terruer said.

 

"I'm told that the deal will be done before Monday.

 

Monday? He obviously means Tuesday.

 

So that will mean he might be able to fly out for the game in Malaysia. I'm surprised we didn't do this deal a couple of weeks back given we knew what the release clause was and that Villa made it clear they wouldn't sell him unless it was met. How much did we realistically think we could get knocked off the price? Worth just getting the deal done straight away if he was really our top target. We knew the Sterling money was coming so we didn't need to wait for that, just get the deal done.

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