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The New Deal for Workers was the one thread holding them to anything remotely left of centre. Now that's trashed, what's left. On the same day they welcome a far right Tory MP into their ranks. And not to mention their appalling stance on Gaza. One wonders what lines Labour have to cross before people say fuck that.

Mothin Ali won the Gipton and Harehills ward in Leeds with more than 3,000 votes at Thursday’s local elections and said it was a “win for the people of Gaza”. During his victory speech on Friday, Mr Ali told activists: “We will not be silenced. We will raise the voice of Gaza. We will raise the voice of Palestine. Allahu Akbar!” After Mr Ali’s historic comments emerged, a Green Party spokesman said: “The Green Party is investigating issues drawn to our attention in relation to Councillor Mothin Ali, so cannot comment further. However, we are clear that we never support anything that extols violence.” The Telegraph understands that Mr Ali has not been suspended by the Greens and will continue representing the party as a councillor during the investigation. The Green Party and dozens of independent candidates look to have benefited from a pro-Palestinian stance at Thursday’s elections, while support for Labour among Muslim voters fell after Sir Keir Starmer initially refused to call for an immediate ceasefire last autumn. Sir Keir’s party lost two councillors in Rochdale to George Galloway’s Workers Party of Britain. Mr Galloway was elected MP for the Lancashire town at the end of February having run on a campaign on pro-Gaza and anti-Labour ticket.

In other news, the footage from Rafah of Israeli tanks mowing down signs mentioning Gaza and raising the Israeli flag make the current situation look more like colonisation than “limited operations.”

By Jonathan Cook One doesn't need to be a fortune-teller to understand that the Israel-US game plan for Gaza runs something like this: 1. In public, Biden appears “tough” on Netanyahu, urging him not to “invade” Rafah and pressuring him to allow more “humanitarian aid” into Gaza. 2. But already the White House is preparing the ground to subvert its own messaging. It insists that Israel has offered an “extraordinarily generous” deal to Hamas – one that, Washington suggests, amounts to a ceasefire. It doesn’t. According to reports, the best Israel has offered is an undefined “period of sustained calm”. Even that promise can’t be trusted. 3. If Hamas accepts the “deal” and agrees to return some of the hostages, the bombing eases for a short while but the famine intensifies, justified by Israel’s determination for “total victory” against Hamas – something that is impossible to achieve. This will simply delay, for a matter of days or weeks, Israel’s move to step 5 below. 4. If, as seems more likely, Hamas rejects the “deal”, it will be painted as the intransigent party and blamed for seeking to continue the “war”. (Note: This was never a war. Only the West pretends either that you can be at war with a territory you’ve been occupying for decades, or that Hamas “started the war” with its October 7 attack when Israel has been blockading the enclave, creating despair and incremental malnutrition there, for 17 years.) Last night US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken moved this script on by stating Hamas was “the only thing standing between the people of Gaza and a ceasefire… They have to decide and they have to decide quickly”. 5. The US will announce that Israel has devised a humanitarian plan that satisfies the conditions Biden laid down for an attack on Rafah to begin. 6. This will give the US, Europe and the region the pretext to stand back as Israel launches the long-awaited assault – an attack Biden has previously asserted would be a “red line”, leading to mass civilian casualties. All that will be forgotten. 7. As Middle East Eye reports, Israel is building a ring of checkpoints around Rafah. Netanyahu will suggest, falsely, that these guarantee its attack meets the conditions laid down in international humanitarian law. Women and children will be allowed out – if they can reach a checkpoint before Israel’s carpet bombing kills them along the way. 8. All men in Rafah, and any women and children who remain, will be treated as armed combatants. If they are not killed by the bombing or falling rubble, they will be either summarily executed or dragged off to Israel’s torture chambers. No one will mention that any Hamas fighters who were in Rafah were able to leave through the tunnels. 9. Rafah will be destroyed, leaving the entire strip in ruins, and the Israeli-induced famine will worsen. The West will throw up its hands, say Hamas brought this on Gaza, agonise over what to do, and press third countries – especially Arab countries – for a “humanitarian plan” that relocates the survivors out of Gaza. 10. The western media will continue describing Israel’s genocide in Gaza in purely humanitarian terms, as though this “disaster” was an act of God. 11. Under US pressure, the International Court of Justice, or World Court, will be in no hurry to issue a definitive ruling on whether South Africa’s case that Israel is committing a genocide – which it has already found “plausible” – is proved. 12. Whatever the World Court eventually decides, and it is almost impossible to imagine it won’t determine that Israel carried out a genocide, it will be too late. The western political and media class will have moved on, leaving it to the historians to decide what it all meant. 13. Meanwhile, Israel is already using the precedents it has created in Gaza, and its erosion of the long-established principles of international law, as the blueprint for the West Bank. Saying Hamas has not been completely routed in Gaza but is using this other Palestinian enclave as its base, Israel will gradually intensify the pressures on the West Bank with another blockade. Rinse and repeat. https://x.com/jonathan_k_cook/status/1785268165997371786?s=46&t=rTM5huSAdkyumn9JrNS_MQ

Yeah I totally understand that, I think the gaza stuff is being leveraged by a few "bad actors" as the kids call them, Galloway being Orlando Bloom. Me personally I'd be pissed off if my councillor, who's supposed to be my link to addressing issues like my taxes, the roads and schools, had been elected solely to protest a foreign state's policy over which not even the president of the United States demonstrably has any influence whatsoever.

They're curious bedfellows some of these people now though, the only thing that links them together is they don't like Labour and are pro Palestine, bear in mind these cats are going to be running your ward/town/city for four years. Owen Jones made me laugh the other day, George Galloway said gays were unnatural and Jones posted something like 'he's wrong on gays but he's right on Gaza'. Got to be a T-shirt slogan in there somewhere.

9 people. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/a-few-activists-at-auschwitz-wave-palestinian-flags-and-claim-genocide-in-gaza/ Therefore the hundreds of thousands of people around the world protesting against genocide are Hamas-supporting anti-Semites. QED.

When certain posters make their occasional foray onto these threads to tell other posters where and where not they should be getting their information, remember the dangers these journalists put themselves under just to get reports to the outside world from Gaza. So many of their friends and their counterparts have been murdered by Israel in an effort to suppress the details of this genocide reaching western eyes and ears. . The platform containing their truth to the world is secondary. It makes it no less important, no less truthful and no less powerful. https://www.unesco.org/en/articles/palestinian-journalists-covering-gaza-awarded-2024-unesco/guillermo-cano-world-press-freedom-prize

British Foreign Secretary David Cameron said on Monday that the Israeli proposal delivered to Hamas includes a 40-day ceasefire in the Gaza war and the release of “potentially thousands” of Palestinian prisoners in return for the release of some Israeli hostages. The 40-day truce proposal comes as a senior Hamas delegation travels to Egypt for the latest round of negotiations aimed at pausing – if not stopping – Israel’s relentless war on Gaza. Led by Khalil al-Hayya, the deputy head of Hamas in the Gaza Strip, the delegation is expected to hand in the group’s response to the latest proposal.

In fairness to Liverpool Independents, their big thing is the budget for local services: Gaza is a side-issue, at most.

Starmer’s done well by not kowtowing to the councillors who jumped ship over gaza too. In today's febrile climate it'd have been an open goal for Reform and the Tories. Personally I'd be fucking fuming if liverpool city Council was now being run by independents who'd only won on a foreign policy issue, rather than my bins and school meals. Send Galloway and his ilk back to the fires of Mount doom from whence they came. There can be only one son of caesar, and there's no scraps in Starmer’s scrapbook.

I think it clearly shows that comparing the war in Gaza to the Holocaust is nonsense. This was the premise of this thread. The idea that this means I’m minimising the situation in Gaza is equally preposterous. If I say the sun is much bigger than the earth does that mean I’m minimising the size of the earth ? It’s beyond stupid.

Sorry but it's a totally different situation. The reason twitter has become the main source of information from Gaza is the banning of main stream journalists. Israel has murdered almost 100 on the ground localised journalists with the goal of preventing the information you are complaining about being released. Unless you'd prefer to trust the IDF and the Jerusalem Post twitter been a godsend. Its a fast moving story, as all conflicts are. Information regarding the little girl Hind who died waiting for an ambulance and the recent mass hospital graves to name but two stories have been in the main been uncovered by people on the ground in Gaza sending information out on twitter. Although Musk is now doing his bit for the Israelis by trying a bit of information suppression by certain users/journalists. Here's the veiw of a "msn' journalist speaking on twitter. She often praised the information coming out from on the ground accounts from Gaza. If you need an example of how Israel and its agents try to silence journalists look no further than LBC journo Sangita Myska, she's mainstream journalist. Here's another one, your old mate. He's right and so is Charlie Herbert. Anyway that's me done with this thread, as you were.

If Londoners are voting Tory in protest at Gaza and ULEZ then they are fucking insane and deserve the shit they’ll eventually reap.

Nazi is a word that immediately signifies evil, its the go to word when you want to describe the very worst of man kind. The actions of Israel right now are the very worst of man of kind. If Netanyahu could kill every person in Gaza he would, members of his government have said as much. If they could nuke the place without damaging Israel or leaving the land uninhabitable for Israelis, then they would, I don't doubt for a second they would do it if they could. The numbers are incomparable to this genocide but that's only because of the size of gaza. They're running out of women to slaughter and babies to starve. Maybe their Nazi moment will come when they get a shot at Iran, millions of human shields they can wipe out there.

Yeah but Mudface and Co said only listen to the Guardian and CNN so it must be true. More importantly as for Bidens bullshit little speech then he said damage to property is a no no. He mentioned the smashed window at the newly called Hind Hall. What the fuvk does he think American weapons have been doing to the Universitys of Gaza? Every single one University destroyed!! Why does he think these students are protesting? Is he fucking real? Why does he think they renamed Hamilton Hall Hind Hall? FFS. These are the brightest young minds in America and he's talking absolute nonsense to them like that. Well I just saw the response of a few on the news and it's no surprise his speech didnt go down well at all. Plus he didn't take questions. He's should be put out to pasture. He's a dud President. A fuvking menace to world peace.

100s reported arrested in LA alone. Remembering when people played down the effect of the Israeli actions in Gaza on America. Not turning out well this is it. America is in a mess, the politicians and press are at war with their own people.

Shocking footage this. Police shooting students with rubber bullets in America. All because young people are protesting over Americas involvement in Israel/Gaza. you won't see that on the Mudface/Gaurdian feed. Which is why some would prefer information suppressed.

America. Tearing itself apart. Scenes being flashed across the world. A world that on ths whole is on ths side of the protesters and the Palestinians. The country of Colombia mocked America yesterday by choosing that day to break ties with Israel. The New York major embarrassing himself and his police force. A President gone to ground. All to defend this!!! Gaza yesterday.

Like over here they need one. Gaza has shown the extent of the Israeli influence and its not good. Not good at all.

America now. New anti semitism laws rushed through. Gaza. America is a joke country.

30-04-2024: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Israel will invade Rafah, the southern Gaza city sheltering over a million displaced Palestinians, "with or without a deal".

Minimising what’s happening in Gaza again eh.

“could” ”taking into account the overall context” Personally, I don’t find the comparisons between Israeli slaughter in Gaza and the holocaust to be particularly helpful. While they both involve the brutal, intentional and targeted slaughter of innocents because of their ethnicity there’s definitely a distinction that needs to be drawn between the slaughter of thousands by bombing and shooting etc and the rounding up of people on a scale never seen before or since to transport them to death camps where they were then killed on an industrial scale. So, I’d say the IHRA definition would be satisfied if making a comparison between the murderous actions of Israel and the murderous actions of the Nazis - the holocaust. But, I’d disagree that all comparisons between the current Israeli government and the Nazis - two right wing, nationalist, racist regimes - are automatically antisemitic. I don’t think that the IHRA definition goes that far, in its wording. The late, great Hajo Meyer, in his book The End of Judaism: An Ethical Tradition Betrayed, thinks that a comparison between contemporary Israeli politics and Nazi Germany (pre the commencement of the “final solution”) is a legitimate one. And a comparison that should be openly discussed. He provides many examples of why the comparison is legitimate - all of which stand up to scrutiny. I repeat my stance on the unhelpful comparisons between the holocaust and the heinous actions of Israel. But, that aside, if Israelis find the more general comparison with Nazism to be offensive, the best way to avoid it is to elect a non-right wing government that doesn’t (in some ways) act like Nazis.

Of course it is: CNN — A mass grave with nearly 300 bodies has been uncovered at a hospital in the southern Gaza city of Khan Younis, Gaza Civil Defense workers said Monday, following the withdrawal of Israeli forces from the area earlier this month. Col. Yamen Abu Suleiman, Director of Civil Defense in Khan Younis told CNN Monday that “today, 73 bodies were recovered” in the courtyard at the Nasser Medical Complex which brought the “total number to 283.” Suleiman alleged that some of the bodies had been found with hands and feet tied, “and there were signs of field executions. We do not know if they were buried alive or executed. Most of the bodies are decomposed.” Nah man, it is you. It is your tidal wave of shit - hard to believe you are still at it to be honest.