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The general principle - that giving workers rights in host countries helps to protect people from slavery - is absolutely spot on. Gnash brought free movement into it, because he sees it as the root of all evil. (He brought the recent Leicester sweatshops case into this thread as an example of the evils of EU free movement, because... er... something.) There is a specific problem of Romanian women being trafficked to the UK, on a false promise of a job, only to be forced into sex-slavery once they're here. At the moment, they have some legal recourse because they have a legal right to live and work here. Gnash is arguing that the best way to protect them is to remove that right because... er... something.

I have never once blamed immigrants or foreigners. You are once again throwing around baseless slurs. The increase in modern day slavery is well documented and is there for all to see, if you choose to ignore it that's your prerogative. Why has modern day slavery increased is the question we should be asking. Is our own government culpable? Fucking right it is. Is the increase in world inequality a reason? Undoubtedly. Is the eu policy on free people movement a cause? I think it may well be, obviously it's not fully to blame but the system has been exploited by the dregs of humanity to wield power over others in pursuit of easy profit. More racists below? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-blamed-for-rise-in-trafficking-and-slaves-fd3dwp7s3

Only a cunt would pretend that I "seem to endorse" modern slavery, while advocating stripping workers of their rights. That "you're naive" horseshit doesn’t work. Every campaign against modern slavery - without exception - advocates giving migrant workers more rights. You are the only person I have ever heard argue that the right-wing Tory approach to stripping workers of rights will somehow protect vulnerable workers.

For the millionth time, everyone who knows or cares about the problems of modern slavery and people trafficking agrees that taking rights away from migrants makes them more vulnerable to exploitation. Brexit takes rights away from EU migrants. Brexit makes people more vulnerable to trafficking and modern slavery.

It applies to almost everything though. Weve always focused on the minutiae. Politically how much focus is put on actual policy and its effects against how someone eats a bacon butty. The idea the media for a long time has been anything but a propaganda machine is naive, like Murdoch, Rothmere and the likes own papers for the profit of sales or they want to be purveyors of truth, they do it because it makes them kingmakers. Distract people or shape their views. Zoumas cat is nothing new. Slavery and child labour is involved in chocolate production and the making of mobile phones as are millions of other products we use, we know this but look the other way, the modern world makes hypocrites of us all. I turn over when child starvation or animal cruelty adverts come on because actually facing the truth makes me uncomfortable so I choose ignorance. Shameful really. Zouma is still out of order though. I do think his punishment has been enough he's been caught, blasted and ridiculed had his cats taken off him, that's more than enough, the wage fines seem excessive and people clamouring for more should take a step back ask why are they so desperate to get the most punishment they can possibly get out of somebody are they thinking of the cat or just enjoy the ruin of a person.

I didn't say they were, you pinpoint another example of authorities turning a blind eye to modern day slavery, also vietnamese slavery is rife in the uk.

Wasn't there somewhere in Lancashire that had a lot to do with the anti slavery movement? For some reason Nelson springs to mind?

Claiming that modern slavery is a Traveller problem - or claiming, as Patel did, that "criminality" is a feature of Traveller communities - is promoting anti-GRT racism (as surely as citing the ethnic background of the sweatshop owners in Leicester and then claiming that slavery is a feature of British-Asian communities would be racist). Conflating the actions of Israel with "the Jews" is absolutely racist. Until you pull your lazy, stupid head out of your arse and bother to learn what racism is, you will continue to be a racist.

Interesting how she doesn't consider terf a pejorative term, even though it contains the word 'radical'. Radical is basically politics speak for barmpot. Words are everything, as Orwell knew. I think any feminist who's built a career on it and considers there to be no issue at all with the transgender debate and especially self identifying has - if you'll forgive the phrase - no balls. You can surgically become a woman but IMO you can't lay claim to the fight woman have had to endure for millenia to become equals. Said it before but can you imagine the outrage if we did the same with race? Say i wanted to be a black guy, started telling people I was black I'd be locked up. If I took it to its ultimate conclusion, got skin pigmentation treatment, got a certificate to say I was black, it made me happy and my frirnds and family accepted it, could I still turn up at a slavery debate at liverpool and start talking about the struggles of "my people"?. If a black slavery expert then told me I had no right to do so, would he get flamed on social media and be accused of killing me with his tweets? Would books shops stop selling his books?

Exactly the same as when white racists complain about schools teaching the history of slavery and colonialism.

That incident in Charlottesville was about protesting the removal of the Robert E Lee statue. Robert E Lee was an amazing wartime general and a legendary figure within the Confederacy. The war was about a lot more than slavery but is often simplified - to it's detriment - to just be about slavery, which creates the fervent animosity towards figures such as Lee and Jackson - without the context of understanding the war. Don't get me wrong, the Confederacy wanted to uphold slavery, it was an agricultural economy. The war itself was about taxes, and the federal government levied excessive import and export taxes on the agricultural commodities of the South, they fought to reduce such measures and when that was unsuccessful they wanted secession. It's a very complex topic, and there are still black people that carry Confederate flags in the South today. Not because they're stupid and supporting the enemy - which is what some people claim - but because the Confederate flag for them represents the South and they're proud of their Southern heritage - as they have every right to be.

You pretended to care about industrial scale murders and mass slavery, when you tried to attack me when I was reminiscing about my fun experiences with drugs in London. You (very weirdly) brought the posts I made on the Centrists thread, as a way to invalidate my political views. All of that whilst: 1) you’ve probably done as much drugs as I have, therefore you’re as guilty of supporting “industrial scale murders” and mass slavery 2) you hold and share your strong political views more often than I do (you’ve been attacking Jeremy Corbyn on a daily basis) . Those criticisms would’ve been fair game coming from someone who was strongly anti-drugs (which I honestly thought you were when you posted the rant). The fact that you enjoy getting high just as much as I do, made it baffling. Why should I be judged on a different set of standards than your set yourself?

I was simply taking the piss out of his spelling of obtain. I've seen the NCA report too. The funny thing is, when I mentioned the important factors in modern slavery, not having been mentioned by Gnasher before, he gave some garbled, chin-dribbling response about how it was obvious. Well, yes, it is obvious. He just neglected to mention them himself, instead harping on about 'freedom of movement' as the cause whilst ignoring my link saying how Brexit is going to make it worse for slaves. I suspect the truth is this: Gnasher doesn't give a flying fuck about slaves or modern slavery any more than Rico cared deeply about Jews when slamming Corbyn. He cares about sticking it to the EU. In short, he's an absolute prick and I feel that you treating his arguments - and by arguments, I mean contextless links that he hasn't read - as if they are credible probably does more harm than good. I'd let him sit and gnaw on his coffee table. That's just me, though.

I was trying (badly) to make the point of slavery/racism having many outlets. The moral indignation in the racism in south america thread feels hypocritical when the modern day slavery iin Leicester s ignored, possi6 because the issue in Leicester sheds light on the downside of eu policy on free movement but as I've stated it's unfair to clog up another thread when its elsewhere on the forum.

I'm not lying, there has been a distinct lack of comment on the exposure of the slavery in Leicester, probably because of the role the eu free movement has played in enabling modern day slavery to flourish. It's unfair to clog up another thread so I will leave it there.

No he makes a fair point, this is where the government has a stick or twist decision regarding free movement. Does it enforce a rigorous policy to stop the influx of cheap labour? Easier said than done, plus you are then biting of your nose to spite your face so to speak as immigrants in general give a great boost to the country culturally and economically. One small push in the fight against modern slavery is the power of the consumer, and the change exposure brings, ie that firm in Leicester with the billionaire owers has thankfully lost a lot of money in share value, if these firms/organised criminals (there is not much between the two) are put to the coals instead of being left to operate in a haze of public sedation the exploitation continues unabated. https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/charity-police-break-up-uks-largest-modern-slavery-ring-victims-worked-in-farms-allegedly-supplying-uk-retailers-supermarkets

Thanks, why didnt you tell me before? , Poverty is a reason is it? Poverty? I thought they travelled for the brutish experience of chicken tikka masala and kids me quick hats. I would never have guessed, god your good, and soooooo intelligent as I'm sure you've told yourself not enough times.. Any other reason oh super sage? Oh organised crime you say!!! You say organised criminals are involved? In slavery? Are you sure? Well fuck me who would have thought? I wouldnt have, It will would not have crossed my tiny little fucking mind, why didnt you tell me this enlightening fucking dribble earlier oh nauseating one? Have you contacted the authorities? Please do Marginalised people can be a cause for the increased slavery due to loads of gangmasters sending people to work in sweatshops, really ? Well well well, you really are a thunderbolt of the fucking obvious arnt you my little petal, a real fountain of idiotic piss are you not? Keep your sanctaminios shrilling for dissing Corbyn on the other thread as you promised Numerous.

I support the slavery in Leicester. It’s better that the life they had before. At least they’re in Britain now. At least they have jobs in this Covid world. On the other hand, I can’t stand these foreigners coming over here, stealing our slavery jobs.

Yes I did read the article and if you want I can fire a few more at you regarding free movement and slavery. Its grim reading and has happening throughout Europe for years but that must be the worst kept secret of the age. It's all grand for the eu to put spout bullshit when the low cost of the trading of peoples is the cause and has been for a long time. It stinks and people seem to condone it? As for the posters negging me for raising the very legitimate case of modern day slavery in Britain today. Have you no concept that as we speak people are working 14 hour days for as little as 3 quid an hour? If you condone that you need to get a fucking grip or go fuck yourself. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/03/leicester-coronavirus-lockdown-is-no-surprise-to-its-garment-factory-workers

Definitely. There's a reason slavery never came to the UK. We didn't need any.

It’s not a song celebrating slavery but a song about hope that was sung on the Underground Railroad about being carried away from slavery? Or am I misreading the history? I stand to be corrected.

The "offending" scene in Fawlty Towers equates racist language with being an unhinged daft dotard. Nowt wrong with that at all. If you really wanted to take offence with Fawlty Towers, the insulting stereotype of a Spanish waiter is front and centre every episode. As for Gladstone, Baden Powell, Churchill, etc. you have to ask what the statues are commemorating; respectively, being a long-serving Prime Minister, founding the Boy Scouts and being the wartime PM. Whatever else those people may have done, the statues aren't there to celebrate those things. The bloke in Bristol and the one in East London (as far as I can see) did nothing except profit from slavery. Those two can fuck off. The statues reflect on what society, in general, thinks is worth commemorating. They are put on a pedestal, so you can literally look up to them and say "nice one!" I think it's fair to say that, most of us, would consider leading the country through the war and founding the Boy Scouts are things people can still look up to, but slavery isn't.

That fucking cunt would bring back slavery if he could. He would 100% have been one of them lord of the manor cunts with slaves in his fields. The mere thought of abolishing slavery would send him into a furious meltdown and he would try to sure anyone who suggested it.

Well that's plainly nonsense, worker exploitation/modern day slavery has been flagged up by luminaries far more worthy than someone like me.

What does slavery have to do with that story?