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Should Glen Johnson get a new contract?

    With just a year and a bit remaining on his current deal, Liverpool have a decision to make on Glen Johnson this summer. Do they offer him a new deal on his existing terms, try to convince him to sign for less money, move him on for whatever they can get or perhaps let him see out the final year of his current deal before testing the free agent market? Three TLW contributors share their thoughts...


 

Despite his (let’s be kind here) erratic recent form, Glen Johnson is a quality player on his day. He’s a valuable attacking asset and has formed part of cohesive defensive units under previous managers. This season has been a different story however; Johnson’s form has been well below what’s been expected from him. It’s a mark of how well others have done in his absence, and how poorly Johnson has performed when he has played, that not renewing his contract and cutting our losses by selling him is now more of a certainty than keeping him.

 

In the background of all this is the negotiations themselves. Johnson’s reported to be unwilling to take a pay cut from the handsome £100,000+ per week he earns. Now whilst it’s justifiable that the player shouldn’t want to take a pay cut (would you if you were him?), he really has to be mindful of the surroundings he now finds himself in. The club has spent a great deal of time and effort reducing the wage bill down to something more manageable for a team that’s not in the Champions League. Johnson’s current contract is a throwback to another era and it’s incredibly unlikely that we’ll see its like again. The club now prefers to reward players with big contracts based on their age, how valuable they are as an asset and their long term form. On all three of those tenets Johnson falls down. He’s getting on in age, there’s not a lot of resale value to be had from him and his form has been ‘erratic’ at best.

 

In any sport, the usual rule of thumb is that a player will play his best stuff in a ‘contract’ year; showing how off how good he is to add on the extra cash when the negotiations roll around. That works on two fronts, either their current employer has to pay up, or another team will swoop in because they’ve seen a high performing player who can be brought in without much trouble. In most sports that usually means the final year of the contract but as football works slightly differently, it usually means the 18 months before the contract is due to expire. In Johnson’s case that hasn’t happened, in fact he’s played like he’s been sulking because he’s not got what he wanted. It has emerged that he’s been carrying injuries so that explains the poor performances, but it doesn’t excuse what appears to be a poor attitude, especially when he’s lost the ball or tracking a runner.

 

Not to pre-judge anything but the way this season is panning out, it looks like we’ll be returning to at least some sort of European football next season. That requires a much larger squad than we currently have so any transfers that happen in the summer, I’d prefer them to be weighted 80/20 if favour of incoming players. There should be no reason to ship out any player who currently plays in the first team in the summer; we need reinforcements, not wholesale changes. Having said all of that, that only includes Johnson if he’s willing to take a substantial pay cut. If he thinks that he’s worth more than Liverpool are offering then he should be our guest and test the waters of being a free signing. There aren’t many teams in England who will offer him what Liverpool is offering him which is (apparently) £70,000 a week and probable Champions League football. If he thinks he can do better than that, well then see you later, Glen.

 

Despite his performances this season and his injury problems, I’ve always got a place in my squad for good players and despite thoughts elsewhere to the contrary, Glen Johnson is a good player. Like the Million Dollar Man said “everyone has a price”, and for Johnson that price is a lot lower than he currently perceives it to be. There’s a contract on the table for Johnson, it shouldn’t go any higher so it’s his choice whether he sticks or twists. I hope he sticks but I’ll lose no sleep if he twists. Let’s just hope that he’s not left twisting in the wind.

 

 

Julian Richards

 


 

It wasn’t long ago Glen Johnson was viewed as a crucial member of the Liverpool side-and rightly so. This past autumn, in the midst of a period during which the Englishman was out due to injury, Brendan Rodgers acknowledged that Johnson was the type of player whose absence truly underscored his importance to the team. At the time it was easy to see why; with more than enough pace to maintain the high line the manager prefers, as well as the skill and technique to offer a genuine threat in attack, Johnson appeared the prototypical fullback for the new Liverpool. 

 

As we near the end of Year Two in the Rodgers era, it’s difficult to determine what exactly went wrong. To the delight of supporters, the Reds have unleashed a scintillating attacking blend, relying on intricate passing and movement, as well as on breakneck counterattacks-both areas for which Johnson would seem ideally suited. However, the fullback has looked well off the pace for most of the season: clumsy in possession and unpredictable in terms of his decision making.

 

As the Liverpool brain trust ponder whether or not to offer Johnson a new deal, the crucial question remains: Which Johnson would such a contract land them? The fullback was unconvincing in his return to action against Swansea last weekend, although the long layoff and his deployment on the left, rather than on his preferred right side are reason enough to withhold judgment until the end of the season.

 

Regardless of Johnson’s play over the next eleven matches, however, I don’t think he’s worth renewing at his current salary. His erratic form, checkered injury history and age make that too risky a proposition.  But the risks of losing Johnson are significant as well. This season Liverpool have suffered the consequences of discontinuity at the back; with a series of question marks surrounding Liverpool’s immediate future at the other three back line positions, the potential loss of Johnson could further unsettle the Reds’ defence. 

 

Moreover, for all the offensive fireworks on display this season, Rodgers’ side have managed a paltry two goals in their three games away to the Top Three. Take nothing away from Liverpool’s impressive offensive output, but it’s going to take more than a sparkling front four to break down the stingiest defences at the most hostile grounds-in England and in Europe. In order to fully realise his vision, Rodgers’ system requires at least one fullback who can provide a legitimate threat in attack-and Glen Johnson is the only player in the squad truly capable of that feat. 

 

 

For those reasons I say let’s give Glen a chance to prove himself over these next eleven matches. If he can return to a level at or near his best, I think the Reds would do well to secure his services at a slightly reduced salary, providing of course Johnson is willing to accept that. In a back line lacking in both consistency and attacking prowess, Johnson’s future contributions could be vital. 

 

Joel Tracy

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At his best, Glen Johnson is a devastating attacking full back whose class and composure on the ball would make him a nailed on first choice for any team in the country. Many times last season and at the start of this campaign, his ability to glide past opponents on either side regardless of which flank he happened to be on opened up an obdurate 11-behind-the-ball defence and created space inside for the likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho or Gerrard to exploit. Furthermore, on the back foot he was no slouch either, regularly showing that tales of his defensive mediocrity were very much over-cooked.

 

And yet - yes that's right: there's a huge proviso coming - he's wildly inconsistent. For every 8 or 9 out of 10 performance, how many 4s or 5s are there? It's certainly more than one or two. You know what I mean: the half-arsed tracking, the lack of awareness of what's around him, the lazy pass to opposing feet or the overly ambitious cut-inside-and-hit-it effort. This season such performances have become the norm which is utterly galling as I had thought he'd finally turned a corner after last season when he was mostly sublime.

 

So you can clearly see I'm erring on the side of answering in the negative to this question - and that's before we mention the obscenity of his wage packet for this degree of output. It strikes me that he's had a new deal on his mind for a while - but not necessarily at Liverpool. He's been learning Italian for few years now and also knocked back an extension to his current contract on reduced, but still generous terms last year. Frankly, he must know that in this FSG-instigated "value is all" era he hasn't got a hope in hell of a six figures a week wedge at almost 30 years of age and so his gaze is turning towards pastures new.

 

That said, I'm still not averse to re-signing him. The problem is that the terms I'd offer, though potentially very generous, would be heavily weighted towards appearances in the context of his variable fitness and form, and therefore unlikely to be accepted by Johnson himself. So the most realistic response to this question is no - but that's not because I wouldn't have him; it's more that he wouldn't like what I was offering and I suspect that that is exactly how it will play out this summer: he will leave the club on a free to release his fat wedge from the balance sheet and ensure that other clubs can afford him as a free agent. And if that opens up the way for Jon Flanagan to continue his development in the Liverpool first team, even better.

 

 

Paul Natton

 

 


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He should be on a pay as you weigh deal, for every pound above match fitness his wage should be reduced with £10.000.

 

If that's a dig at his weight, I'd fucking love to be as fat as him.  I bet he's about 8% body fat you weirdo.

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If that's a dig at his weight, I'd fucking love to be as fat as him.  I bet he's about 8% body fat you weirdo.

 

He's massive, he's probably gained at least 15-20 lbs since we signed him.

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He was decent on saturday but I suspect he upped his effort levels because of the stick he was getting for being ex-pompey. 

 

He is still on far too much money than he should be based on his performances. Out of him and Flanno I can see Glen being far more likely to have an effortless game at the wrong time and cost us valuable points. 

 

In other words, i'd have Flanno in the trenches with me over Johnson and thats what we need now. 

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There's another angle to this that the article didn't consider:

 

What if Johnson was never going to get a new contract, regardless?

Think about it for a second.  Regardless of the possibility that he was going to gain his form back, Glen is 29.  By the time THIS contract runs out, he'll be almost 31.  He's not going to get any faster or more explosive off the line, and that's precisely what Rodgers wants for this team.

Chelsea, City, and Arsenal all carry fullbacks in their late 20s or 30-31 years of age, but I would be shocked if the first two don't shop for replacements for Ivanovic and Kolarov the second they start looking for a step.  The difference between us and them, though, is that the traditional contract negotiation period for Johnson is now, and that we no longer operate with anything approaching the luxury of those two clubs.

 

Here's the way I see this going.  Glen will be given every opportunity to succeed these last ten games because he's still Rodger's second-best fullback right now.  Come the end of the season, he's probably going to get an honest appraisal from Rodgers, which will probably be that the club is looking to get younger, that by necessity he will be sharing starting opportunities with someone like Flanagan, Kelly, another Academy product, or a new transfer.

Glen will then have three choices:

1. He could sign for a smaller salary

2. He could leave; this would gain Liverpool a handsome enough sum, but he would almost certainly not be earning £100k/week anymore.

3. He could stay under his current contract, but would probably face hardball from the club

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I don't understand why people have it in for Johnson.  It's obvious that the injuries are affecting him. Lazy?  Get outta here.  Was he being lazy when he ran the length of Stamford Bridge to score the winner a couple of seasons ago?  Where has this lazy tag come from?  It's utterly bizarre.  As if you'd stand a chance in hell of being picked for Rodgers if you were lazy. 

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I don't understand why people have it in for Johnson.  It's obvious that the injuries are affecting him. Lazy?  Get outta here.  Was he being lazy when he ran the length of Stamford Bridge to score the winner a couple of seasons ago?  Where has this lazy tag come from?  It's utterly bizarre.  As if you'd stand a chance in hell of being picked for Rodgers if you were lazy. 

 

A lot can change in a couple of seasons. As for being picked, well at fullback the choice is very much of the Hobson's variety at the moment.

 

He did alright against Southampton. He looked a little better, but you could definitely make an argument that both the shot that hit the post and Mig's save at 1-0 came from situations he should have dealt with better.

 

I hope, like Sterling, it's a case of injuries, but the decline has been visible for some time. Watching Flanagan's urgency and running only puts Johnson's performances into starker contrast.

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I don't understand why people have it in for Johnson.  It's obvious that the injuries are affecting him. Lazy?  Get outta here.  Was he being lazy when he ran the length of Stamford Bridge to score the winner a couple of seasons ago?  Where has this lazy tag come from?  It's utterly bizarre.  As if you'd stand a chance in hell of being picked for Rodgers if you were lazy.

 

I think the 'lazy' tag has probably come from his seemingly 'couldn't give a fuck' attitude. The goal at The Bridge you mention just reminds us how far his game has actually fallen & it was never that good to begin with. Defensively shit, the only good thing he's ever had going for him was that he was half decent going forward. Take that away from him & your left with the pretty shit full back that we see today.

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Nah, I just don't get it.  I think all of our players have been described as "shit" by someone or other this season except for a select few.  There were people wanting Henderson sold before the January window opened.  I think we're too critical of our players in general.  We could have a team full of shit players with Premier League winners' medals in May. 

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It's because he looks a lackadaisical at times, cruising about rather than putting his head down legs and arms flailing everywhere.  When he's on form he looks really good, when he's a bit off form he looks like he's taking the piss.  Just the style of movement.

Plus every Liverpool fan is obsessed by money and wages these days.

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Football really is like Rashomon. I didn't see anything from him to even warrant starting ahead of Cissokho, let alone deserving a new contract. When did he get forward, or lay in a cross, or block one? (the same questions I asked after the Swansea game)

 

Just as N'Gog simply muscled him off the ball, the same thing happened against Southampton. He had the ball near the touchline, got bodied and just dribbled off the pitch - then waved his arms in the air as if to say "where is everybody?!" No effort to take on his man, no fucking urgency or energy whatsoever.

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Nah, I just don't get it. I think all of our players have been described as "shit" by someone or other this season except for a select few. There were people wanting Henderson sold before the January window opened. I think we're too critical of our players in general. We could have a team full of shit players with Premier League winners' medals in May.

 

Yeah, I understand our fans are ultra critical sometimes, but most of the criticism was levelled at new/young players. Allen, Hendo, Raheem, Flano. We're talking about a supposedly international full back here, with years of experience & a pay packet to back that up. Is he that much better than Flanagan? Does he deserve a new deal? IMO,absolutely no fuckin way.

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Maybe not on this season's form but it's unfair to judge him on only this season and not the length of his contract.  I do think he will be this season's Reina, though. He's one of the last players I'd shift.  He can play at left and right back better than most of his contemporaries.  

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I really don't think he should get a new contract.

 

The club probably sponsors his mobile and I bet he has a shitload of data that he doesn't even use - plus unlimited talk and text.

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I really don't think he should get a new contract.

 

The club probably sponsors his mobile and I bet he has a shitload of data that he doesn't even use - plus unlimited talk and text.

 

Unfortunately I think we'll end up sticking him on one of the pay as you go deals Joe Cole and Jovanovic ended up being on.

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Maybe not on this season's form but it's unfair to judge him on only this season and not the length of his contract.  I do think he will be this season's Reina, though. He's one of the last players I'd shift.  He can play at left and right back better than most of his contemporaries.

 

Maybe not on this season's form but it's unfair to judge him on only this season and not the length of his contract.  I do think he will be this season's Reina, though. He's one of the last players I'd shift.  He can play at left and right back better than most of his contemporaries.

 

Rodgers has come out recently with in the last month and said he wants glen to sign a new contract so I wouldn't get too concerned about him going yet.

 

Getting a right back better or of the same quality will be very difficult and expensive so I see them coming to an agreement.

 

Where was the criticism of flanno by the way after soton, he was much poorer the glen imo and was not just back from injury.

 

I seen someone try to blame glen for the shot mig had to say on here but didn't say anything about flanno who had run the whole way up the pitch and got himself out of position for no good reason, terrible decision making, the cross came in from his side and glen gets the blame.

 

Glen just cant do anything right for some fans at the moment and after all the years hes been loyal to us he deserves better.

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It's because he looks a lackadaisical at times, cruising about rather than putting his head down legs and arms flailing everywhere.  When he's on form he looks really good, when he's a bit off form he looks like he's taking the piss.  Just the style of movement.

Plus every Liverpool fan is obsessed by money and wages these days.

I'm not obsessed by money and wages , I just want us to win stuff

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I really think Johnson should move back to rb and Flanagan lb. I don't know why but Flanagan looks more solid there, its probably because hes got the option to cut inside and find a simple pass to Gerrard, Hendo or back to the cb's, rather looking down the line and limited options on the right

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It's because he looks a lackadaisical at times, cruising about rather than putting his head down legs and arms flailing everywhere.  When he's on form he looks really good, when he's a bit off form he looks like he's taking the piss.  Just the style of movement.

Plus every Liverpool fan is obsessed by money and wages these days.

This is bang on and is why players like flanno and kuyt could get away with poor performances by running round like mad men.

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Glen Johnson: "I'm more than happy to sign a new contract and I'd love to stay here for many more years. But at the moment that is not for me to decide because I've not been offered anything and I've not been told I'm going to be sold."

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We could have a team full of shit players with Premier League winners' medals in May.

There's a reason why we are in with a shot. It's not because we have great, championship quality defenders, it's not because we dominate the midfield, and it's not because our strength in depth; we are in with a shot because we have a top class attack and a manager who plays to our strengths. We shouldn't mistake having a team challenging for the top because of the attack with our fullbacks, DMs, and CBs being high quality. As any West Wing watcher will warn you, Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc.

 

Just like many of our players, Johnson hasn't been performing consistently well enough for an aspirational top club for quite some time. Just because we've done well with Cissokho in the team, it doesn't make him good enough.

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I'm fine with Johnson being given a new contract. The problem arises when I consider the wage demands he probably has for himself and the wage I think the club should play him. He's without a doubt a good player when he's on form, but he hasn't been on form consistently enough for quite some time.

 

The less said about Cissokho the better. He's been solid enough defensively lately but offers next to nothing going forward and looks scared on the ball more often than not. Shame as athletically he could be great but mentally he doesn't look like he has it. He does however always put in the effort.

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