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One win is all it takes - by John Brennan

May the 22nd, 2022. AM. The morning before the Wolves match. ‘Two games from greatness.’ August the 22nd, 2022, PM. The mourning after the United ‘match’. ‘Two games from a crisis.’ Life and football sure comes at us quickly.

 

Three months on from a week that almost saw us break all records—the Reds were only a Villa capitulation (yeah, I know) and a Courtois man-of-the-match performance away from the greatest season in our or anyone’s history—and while all may not be doom and gloom, there’s definitely lots of anxiety about.

 

While the ‘two games from greatness’ line still rings true, the ‘two games from a crisis’ is far-fetched. Make no mistake, should we fail to beat Bournemouth on Saturday, alarm bells will and should be ringing (they already are for some). But a pile-on on this group of players and management given their credentials would be misplaced, I think. 

 

Of course, there should be no hiding away from the dreadful start we’ve made to the season, nor has there been. Klopp was the first to call out the players for their non-display against Fulham. Hendo also referred to it in his Palace programme notes. Robbo fronted up after the United match and said our football hasn’t been good enough. The players have been generally poor individually, with only one or two coming away with any credit, Elliott and Carvalho, promisingly, amongst them. 

 

When those who have been the poorest have been some of our most important players over recent years, it’s bound to have an effect. Van Dijk, Trent and Fabinho are three who need to buck up their act, and quickly. Along with Alisson, much of our success under Klopp has been built on these three: the spine of the team Alisson, Van Dijk and Fabinho, the menace of Trent (and Robbo). That’s not there at the moment—the individual performances of these players, usually 8 or 9 out of 10s, are down around 5 or 6. You can afford to have one or two players below par, not four or five. When that happens, as it did against Fulham and United, the result is inevitable.

 

It just feels like we’re not playing games on our terms yet. We’ve been lacking in invention with the ball (we had 70% possession against United but nothing to really show for it) and off the pace in terms of our pressing without it. I’m not sure there’s much of a market for Lethargy: Inside Liverpool FC: Our Story. There’s a way to lose and coming second to a notoriously lazy United team in terms of intensity is not one of them…

 

Going behind early is definitely a problem we need to fix. It’s happened seven times in a row now so there is something to it. However, we did win three of those and drew three, so there’s a lot to be said for the team’s character, still. Going ahead, as the boys referred to in the podcast, just changes the dynamic: teams have to come at us and we are usually so good at picking them off. That’s not disappeared overnight—we just need to get back to doing what we’ve done so well for years. 

 

This group is essentially the one we achieved greatness with, minus Sadio. I have every faith that this is a mere blip and that we’re going to click sooner rather than later. Just harp back to 18/19, 19/20 and 21/22 (the COVID-affected season being an obvious outlier).

 

Apart from the trophies – The European Cup, the League Title, the FA Cup, the League Cup (and two European Cup finals), just look at the statistics.

21/22. 147 goals! 94 of those in the League. That’s an average of just about 2.5 goals a game. 49 out of 57 points at Anfield. 63 games out of a possible 63 played. A goal difference of +99 in all competitions! That’s astounding. That’s what these boys are capable of. Still. 

 

97, 99, 92 points in the League in those three seasons. And all this while playing the best football most of us have ever seen. We would have three League Titles had we not been up

against perennial cheats. 

 

We’ve been blighted by injuries, too. That’s no excuse for the performances this season, we should have had enough to beat the three teams we played, but it doesn’t help. A bigger squad keeps everyone on their toes—we are threadbare so most of them know they are going to play. Performances are going to pick up, these players are too good to not bounce back. Other players are going to start coming back from injury and we’ll have more options.

 

Konaté / Matip will improve us; Jones needs to produce a big season; Jota got 21 goals last season; Nunez will surely come good—Klopp deserves to be trusted on him, given his transfer dealings. Diaz will get better and better. Mo will continue to be prolific. 

 

The Reds have two home fixtures in a row, a chance to get the show back on the road before the derby. There are no guarantees of course, but we couldn’t have asked for a better fixture list—two home games in quick succession followed by the derby where intensity should be a given. Fast starts are vital, as Robbo alluded too, all the more so as that nervousness in the crowd could seep through to the lads, whose confidence is at a low ebb. 

 

Let’s see where we are three months down the line, on the 12th of November, before the break for the World Cup. We’ll have played 16 and I bet the doom and gloom will have lifted as this team gets back to what it does best, winning and entertaining. 

 

John Brennan


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Forget about Shanks and what we accomplished last season, the right here and now is that we are not going to win the league or the European Cup because our midfield is a fucking disaster zone.

 

Thanks John Henry, you tight as fuck skeletal arl cunt.

 

We need major surgery to correct the issues. If you're injury prone then your gone. If you're shit or old then you're out too. The only 3 I'd keep from the current midfield squadron would be Elliott, Carvalho and Fabinho...and he'd be under intense scrutiny for the remainder of the season.

 

Get the chequebook out John or have the decency to sell the club to someone who will actively financially support us.

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6 hours ago, Chris said:

 

W.Shankly won three leagues in 15 years. He saw second and below quite a lot and he wasn’t competing with an oil state. 
 

2nd isn’t nothing (double negative). Shit, fourth got us into the European Cup in 2018 and we won it the following year. 

 

Shankly also came out with a right load of utter bollocks about football being more important than life or death, so maybe we shouldn’t tattoo everything he said on our foreheads like the gospel. 

I'd hazard a guess he didn't actually mean football was more important than people dying and was instead a throwaway comment that seems to have been taken seriously down the years.

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3 hours ago, Mook said:

I'm not convinced there is any need for this sort of stuff. If it wasn't for Shankly, we'd likely be sitting somewhere in The Championship & Klopp would be pissing the league with Man Utd.

I think it's fair to remember that Shanks was one of the first to use what they now call 'mind games' and a lot of what he said was firmly tongue in cheek. Because of today's media being so 'famine or feast' most of it is now taken well out of context. Most fans realise his momentous contribution to our club and can easily separate fact and fiction. The wider community not so much.

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6 hours ago, s(k)aturation said:

 

My apologies, it would have got you a spot in the Inter Cities Fairs Cup... 

 

Fixed that for you.

 

Interesting point, the Fairs Cup was organised by FIFA. When the competition was re organised, it was called the EUFA Cup leading Jimmy Hill to say 'Ooo Eee Fa' cup (hard to spell phonetically!). All my old Anfield Reviews have it like this as well. Not sure when they changed it again to the UEFA Cup though?

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Some of us have been warning about this coming. One win is not going to turn this around, we are in deep shit. 

 

Just look how fucking strong all the other top six are compared to us now, it's fucking insane when you look at their squads compared to ours. 

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5 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Fixed that for you.

 

Interesting point, the Fairs Cup was organised by FIFA. When the competition was re organised, it was called the EUFA Cup leading Jimmy Hill to say 'Ooo Eee Fa' cup (hard to spell phonetically!). All my old Anfield Reviews have it like this as well. Not sure when they changed it again to the UEFA Cup though?

Interesting point that..  it seems it was english v european interpretation issue...

 

The UEFA Cup was never officially known as the EUFA Cup.

 

The 'EUFA' thing was just an English thing - the proper name from its inception in the 1971/2 season was UEFA.

 

But in England we used to sometimes called it EUFA....we definitely did use EUFA on our programmes too you are correct.

 

The programme from the 73 final which has the German and English translations on front is an example of how the continent used UEFA but in English it was sometimes but not always EUFA.

 

Take this programme from 72 for example....

 

1972-uefa-cup-final-2nd-leg-to-435-1.jpg

 

The trophy itself always had UEFA written on it too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Arniepie said:

I'd hazard a guess he didn't actually mean football was more important than people dying and was instead a throwaway comment that seems to have been taken seriously down the years.

You mean like “second is nowhere?”

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3 minutes ago, an tha said:

Interesting point that..  it seems it was english v european interpretation issue...

 

The UEFA Cup was never officially known as the EUFA Cup.

 

The 'EUFA' thing was just an English thing - the proper name from its inception in the 1971/2 season was UEFA.

 

But in England we used to sometimes called it EUFA....we definitely did use EUFA on our programmes too you are correct.

 

The programme from the 73 final which has the German and English translations on front is an example of how the continent used UEFA but in English it was sometimes but not always EUFA.

 

Take this programme from 72 for example....

 

1972-uefa-cup-final-2nd-leg-to-435-1.jpg

 

The trophy itself always had UEFA written on it too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is our final proggy from 73. I reckon they changed it because of Jimmy Hill's pathetic pronunciation!

 

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23 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

Fixed that for you.

 

Interesting point, the Fairs Cup was organised by FIFA. When the competition was re organised, it was called the EUFA Cup leading Jimmy Hill to say 'Ooo Eee Fa' cup (hard to spell phonetically!). All my old Anfield Reviews have it like this as well. Not sure when they changed it again to the UEFA Cup though?

 

It was the UEFA/EUFA Cup when Shanks won it in '72/73 - that's why I didn't say Fairs Cup.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Shankly took us out of second division wilderness and left us on the cusp of being the greatest side on the planet in that 15 years. 


That you’d take what I said in relation to his 15 years as a slight against Shankly is incredibly silly. 

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The two things that are most concerning for me is the midfield and the fact that about 8 of the team look cream crackered.

 

If 2 of them weren't in the midfield it wouldn't be quite as concerning but that it is, is quite concerning. I agree with An tha on a number of points, certainly around the midfield, but I am also hoping that the issues around fitness in other areas of the team are more to do with them just not being at peak match fitness yet.

 

I feel it was weird that we arranged friendlies after the season started to get match fitness up and with the Austria camp happening so close to the season I am hoping that this is the real driver in the lethargy instead of the boys still being screwed from last season.

 

Either way it's not ideal and possibly a reason for why the doc was given his marching orders.

 

I think the fact that we probably haven't started with the same midfield 3 in any of our games so far is also a big driver as to why we are going behind. It also would appear that we are losing players very close to kick off so getting any sort of fluidity and pattern is difficult with so much chopping and changing.

 

On the plus side I think Konate was really starting to boss the right hand side in games towards the end of the season and hopefully he won't be out too long. That will belatedly help Trent and will go a good way to stopping attacks like the penalty for Mitrovic and the goal for Rashford the other night

 

In the game against Palace I felt Darwin was restricting Diaz a little but hopefully now as time passes on the training ground the relationships will develop. Bobby for me was a big issue the other night as he was just too slow. I think Darwin will scare teams in behind and while they are trying to clatter him, Mo and Diaz will have more room to play in. His energy and hunger will hopefully give the team a jolt in the same way that Trent and Virgil's languid style is doing the opposite currently.

 

That leaves the midfield. A real area of concern but I just don't think the club will do anything about it now. Most positive scenario is that maybe Carvalho is given a chance on the left of the 3 and his energy and drive really really allows us to kick on, Harvey develops more and Fabinho shakes off his early season slumber and is brilliant until Thiago returns. The consistency in selection there provides a solid base and that protects the defence better and allows some fluidity to return and help out the strikers.  Then come the end of the WC Bellingham arrives to help us kick on. 

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35 minutes ago, dockers_strike said:

This is our final proggy from 73. I reckon they changed it because of Jimmy Hill's pathetic pronunciation!

 

EUFA Cup.png

Yeah a lot of our programmes from that time used EUFA as i say it was an 'english' thing but was not consistently used.

 

Weird stuff.

 

This programme from 73 v Spurs uses UEFA....

 

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Tottenham for home leg v us in uefa cup that season used uefa...

 

Tottenham-V-Liverpool-uefa-cup-semi-fina

 

But we used EUFA for our leg....

 

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27 minutes ago, Chris said:


That you’d take what I said in relation to his 15 years as a slight against Shankly is incredibly silly. 

You said he won 3 titles in 15 years, finished second and below quite a lot then added that he didn’t have an oil team to compete with. It’s hardly praise is it. 
 

Im not saying you’re digging him out but that 15 years included a full rebuild of a club in the second division. 

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3 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

You said he won 3 titles in 15 years, finished second and below quite a lot then added that he didn’t have an oil team to compete with. It’s hardly praise is it. 
 

Im not saying you’re digging him out but that 15 years included a full rebuild of a club in the second division. 


Precisely. None of which was “nowhere” was it?

 

The point was in response to a criticism from someone using the quote to diminish finishing runners up to an oil state by a point, while achieving 90+ again. 

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36 minutes ago, Chris said:


Precisely. None of which was “nowhere” was it?

 

The point was in response to a criticism from someone using the quote to diminish finishing runners up to an oil state by a point, while achieving 90+ again. 

Stop being so defensive. 

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4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Hahahaha fucking hell. Get over yourself Chris, you just contribute to a podcast. You're not immune to being pulled up. Nobody is. 

 

Me providing the proper context to a comment, thus showing you to have got the wrong end of the stick completely = being "so defensive". Like I'm not going to respond to you completely mischaracterising what I said. You didn't "pull me up" on shit. 

 

What's the podcast got to do with anything? 

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2 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

Me providing the proper context to a comment, thus showing you to have got the wrong end of the stick completely = being "so defensive". Like I'm not going to respond to you completely mischaracterising what I said. You didn't "pull me up" on shit. 

 

What's the podcast got to do with anything? 

You'd already handed out a few negs from the start of the thread. It's almost as if alternative viewpoints upset you... 

 

As for 'context' yeah you were implying that second isn't "nothing". If you look back, I responded to the line about him only winning 3 titles in 15 years (and the comment about not competing with an oil state) with some 'context' around his 15 years. I wasn't 'challenging' you. 

 

I'm mostly in agreement with you. You've then decided to get defensive then throw another petty neg out. 

 

As for the season, I think we will be fine and will still put in a title challenge. We could desperately do with another midfielder for sure but we haven't been 'abysmal'. 

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2 hours ago, Chris said:

You mean like “second is nowhere?”

If you're going to post on here that Shankly was talking 'utter bollocks' then you can expect one or two of us to pipe up.

 

I'd expect to see that sort of shite on an Everton forum.

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13 minutes ago, Chris said:

 

 

What's the podcast got to do with anything? 

Quite a bit i would say....

 

Are you the lad who presented the pod the other night after the game?

If so you are in my opinion a hypocrite to jump all over my post here and accuse me of being a drama queen and of school girl histrionics....

You sat and presented a pod where i heard you say you "hope and pray naby is leaving"....after agreeing with the other lad who said it....You also sat and said nothing to challenge the view that "it is sad what Bobby has become" - actually repeating it yourself and you also did not say anything to challenge when one lad on it said "injuries are no excuse"....same lad also claimed "he'll never get over" VVD's defending for the mancs 1st goal - ok that may have been somewhat tongue in cheek but again i don't recall you calling him a drama queen for his view....funny that.

There was a whole host of other scathing opinion aired and not once did i hear you shout people down about "FORM" or accuse them over over reacting/telling them they are wrong etc.

Yet here you are shouting my opinion down when i stated it and backed it up quite reasonably and went to the trouble to provide examples and context to what i was saying.

Comes across to me hypocritical that given your stance on the pod.

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2 minutes ago, an tha said:

Quite a bit i would say....

 

Are you the lad who presented thr pod the other night after the game?

If so you are in my opinion a hypocrite to jump all over my post here and accuse me of being a drama queen and of school girl histrionics....

You sat and presented a pod where i heard you say you "hope and pray naby is leaving"....after agreeing with the other lad who said it....You also sat and said nothing to challenge the view that "it is sad what Bobby has become" - actually repeating it yourself and you also did not say anything to challenge when one lad on it said "injuries are no excuse"....same lad also claimed "he'll never get over" VVD's defending for the mancs 1st goal - ok that may have been somewhat tongue in cheek but again i don't recall you calling him a drama queen for his view....funny that.

There was a whole host of other scathing opinion aired and not once did i hear you shout people down about "FORM" or accuse them over over reacting/telling them they are wrong etc.

Yet here you are shouting my opinion down when i stated it and backed it up quite reasonably and went to the trouble to provide examples and context to what i was saying.

Comes across to me hypocritical that given your stance on the pod.

Who posted that and what have they got against the capital I? 

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3 minutes ago, an tha said:

Quite a bit i would say....

 

Are you the lad who presented the pod the other night after the game?

If so you are in my opinion a hypocrite to jump all over my post here and accuse me of being a drama queen and of school girl histrionics....

You sat and presented a pod where i heard you say you "hope and pray naby is leaving"....after agreeing with the other lad who said it....You also sat and said nothing to challenge the view that "it is sad what Bobby has become" - actually repeating it yourself and you also did not say anything to challenge when one lad on it said "injuries are no excuse"....same lad also claimed "he'll never get over" VVD's defending for the mancs 1st goal - ok that may have been somewhat tongue in cheek but again i don't recall you calling him a drama queen for his view....funny that.

There was a whole host of other scathing opinion aired and not once did i hear you shout people down about "FORM" or accuse them over over reacting/telling them they are wrong etc.

Yet here you are shouting my opinion down when i stated it and backed it up quite reasonably and went to the trouble to provide examples and context to what i was saying.

Comes across to me hypocritical that given your stance on the pod.

 

Yeah, that's fair enough. 

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