Marshall Mathers

[Tyler Durden]

I don't think Suge would have put himself that close to harms way, why bother, he could have had him killed at any time anywhere. It doesn't make sense to have it done straight after a big fight on a populated strip in Vegas, especially a drive by hit when your sat next to him.

I said earlier why I think he was involved with biggies shooting because of the fact Big would have become number 1 and would have gone from strength to strength seens he had only had 2 albums out at the time and was already at the top. I think it was more to do with the fact DR had lost their biggest draw while BB still had theirs rather then a loyalty to Tupac.

Tupac had it in his head long before Suge bailed him out over BB being involved in it, he was in their 6 months or something before DR put up the bail, he thought it was them because the chances are they did know of something about it.

 

Don't you find it strange that he was shot on 2 separate occasions and both times the case was never solved ?

 

Death Row played on all the rumours to push the sales, listen to before the first song starts on the 7 day theory loud and someone says 'Suge shot him', that album was put out by DR so for me they just played on the whole mystery to make money. Suge didn't give a fuck about Tupac but I don't think it was down to him

[William_Ulsterman]

if he was black hed just be another average rapper. he wouldnt have got the breaks.

[RED.DUB]

if he was black hed just be another average rapper. he wouldnt have got the breaks.

what breaks?

[dennis tooth]

I don't think Suge would have put himself that close to harms way, why bother, he could have had him killed at any time anywhere. It doesn't make sense to have it done straight after a big fight on a populated strip in Vegas, especially a drive by hit when your sat next to him.

I said earlier why I think he was involved with biggies shooting because of the fact Big would have become number 1 and would have gone from strength to strength seens he had only had 2 albums out at the time and was already at the top. I think it was more to do with the fact DR had lost their biggest draw while BB still had theirs rather then a loyalty to Tupac.

Tupac had it in his head long before Suge bailed him out over BB being involved in it, he was in their 6 months or something before DR put up the bail, he thought it was them because the chances are they did know of something about it.

 

Don't you find it strange that he was shot on 2 separate occasions and both times the case was never solved ?

 

Death Row played on all the rumours to push the sales, listen to before the first song starts on the 7 day theory loud and someone says 'Suge shot him', that album was put out by DR so for me they just played on the whole mystery to make money. Suge didn't give a fuck about Tupac but I don't think it was down to him

 

So who do you think, if not Suge, I guess that leaves OA or one of his folk or the LAPD/FBI/CIA/Secret service? I think we can rule out BB affiliates but you must have a theory.

 

As to the Suge thing being in the car, risky but a perfect alibi, clearly they wanted pac, he gets shot a number of times Suge gets only a graze wound and even that has been disputed. He said he had a bullet lodged in his brain and it turned out he lied. Man shoots from the car next to him at the lights, Suge at the wheel, Pac can't go nowhere, Suge. Hmm. It's risky though doable but I suppose in some wats that's where it falls down. A few other things hit me though, when one of Suge's associattes spots OA he points him out to tupac who is about half the size of Suge, I mean this was about a DR medallion OA supposedly stolen but I find it strange it was put on to tupac to confront him first, surely it would have been Suge storming over there? Just seems odd that. I also find it odd that Fula said he could identify the shooter, police didn't ask 'who' they said they'd speak to him later not even make an appointment for him to come in and as you probably know was later killed. Who had access to him? He said he would meet with police but 2 months later he gets killed. Was he warned off and then killed anyway. Why didn't the car behind with the security try to chase the shooters car?

Why was Suge so uncooperative with the police, they should have taken him in that night but he's evasive and finally turns up 4 days later with 3 attorneys? OK he didn't like the police but the 3 attorney thing for a witness is madness. For me even if it was OA I still wouldn't rule out Suge being involved.

 

Then theres Stretch. After the first shooting Tupac suspected his freind Stretch was involved.

He was then killed exactly one year later to the day-while sitting at the lights a car pulled up next to his van with 3 people in and unloaded? Sound familiar? I don't know if it is related at all though or just co incidences.

 

Suge had issues with BB/Puff well before tupac, some altercation between Puff and Suge took place in some club or something.

 

 

Members of Wallace's family said they're considering a lawsuit against the Times "for untruthful statements and accusations which amount to character assassinations of someone who is himself the victim of an unsolved murder."

 

Writer Randall Sullivan investigated both rappers' murders for his book "LAbyrinth," which inspired the upcoming documentary "Biggie and Tupac," and he said he hopes the legal action will reveal the truth behind Philips' story.

 

Both he and former LAPD Detective Russell Poole, the main source in "LAbyrinth," agree with Philips that Crips gang member Orlando Anderson shot Shakur, but they believe Death Row Records CEO Marion "Suge" Knight was behind the crime.

 

"It sounds like the story was written by Suge, who wants to take some heat off of him[self]," Poole said.

 

"I think the real question to ask is how did Philips connect with the Crips?" Sullivan added. "Was it Suge Knight, which I strongly suspect it was? And what would be their motive?"

 

Knight declined to comment on Friday's Times article.

 

Although many bodyguards, including Michael Moore, who was Pac's number one body guard, had guarded him for a week straight, 'Pac was then forced to go to Las Vegas, which he refused, and as he was on his way to his plane, he stated to the bodyguard escorting him that he was a dead man walking. Michael Moore(bodyguard) and the rest of the guards were told not to carry their guns anymore, Michael refused and then was placed at club 662 rather than at the protection of Mr. Shakur.

 

A Reggie Wright also told AllHipHop.com, “The reason 'Pac is dead is because Frank Alexander, the guy who wrote and produced this new DVD failed to bodyguard 'Pac properly on the night he was shot.” “Kevin [Hackie] and Frank [Alexander] ought to be ashamed of themselves. The truth is these guys had almost nothing to do with 'Pac's life, but they never cease to come up with new ways to exploit his death for profit or fame.”Tupac: Assassination - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

Theres a decent interview here:ThugLifeArmy.com - A Total News Source for Tupac (2Pac) & Hip-Hop Culture

 

 

One final message: think!

Edited February 20, 2011 by dennis tooth

[Wor Horse]

He borrows a riff and shouts over it in a way that sometimes rhymes. Alright if you like that sort of thing, but I think the plaudits that are thrown his way are embarassing. There's nothing genius about it at all. Don't get me started on The Streets either, some cockney talking about Capri Sun.

 

He's a brummy. Don't bring that shit to my doorstep.

 

Oh and hip hop is shit.

[rory]

eminem - the streets

 

u are winding me up ?

[Tyler Durden]

He's a brummy. Don't bring that shit to my doorstep.

 

Oh and hip hop is shit.

 

Just an idea but maybe coming in a thread about a hip hop artist is not the way forward.

[Wor Horse]

Give me English stuff any day of the week.

 

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[RED.DUB]

the trouble with grime is it all sounds exactly the same,plus most of it is shit,imo of course.

[Thomo123]

I can't stand him and never have been able to. I've absolutely no idea what people see in his music, though I've tried. He must do something to be so popular but I just don't get it; to me he just makes whiny, overly nasal, overly self-important bullshit.

 

 

 

 

 

And here's a chap who's come to poohoo these last two comments in one fell swoop (listen to the line after 20 seconds):

 

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That is sweet as! Never heard abdominal before mate, cheers for the heads up. Word.

[Nantwich girl]

GLC

[Fobbie_Rowler]

Great Poet:

 

 

Clueless Cunt:

 

 

You're welcome. Try not to get confused again.

 

Brilliant!

[James]

Was listening to Stan at school today, god what a great record that is.

[Charles Penrose]

No mate evidenced out by that fact his best two albums are Infinite and SSLP.

When he was underground and kept it real.

 

Nah mate your boring as fuck and I've been listening to hip hop long before you but if you want to disagree feel free.

 

2pac died for the art of keeping it real and the game and the rules and many others did so bringing hip hop to an audience through independants labels and theres a lot of history behind that that Eminem needs to be respecting it so he can reap the benefits and make his millions today. You probably started listening to it about 2000 and probably missed that shit. Laterz-go talk to sume1 else. kthxbai

 

Tupac actually died because he was a massive, massive cunt.

[Tyler Durden]

Headlining the V festival which Ive just got a ticket for today

[silverlining]

There's no denying he's got some good mic skills, but they're not in propertion to his fame, or record sales.

 

That said, he's a far better rapper than divs like Kanye West or 50 Cent. Basically, every top-selling hiphop artist is, as a rule of thumb, fucking shit.

 

I hate Snoop, Jay-Z, Kanye, Lil Wayne, any female rapper, any rapper who dabbles in r&b, Dr Dre, 50 Cent, Black Eyed Peas, Tupac, Puff Daddy, that fat dead cunt. I could go on.

 

All rubbish.

[dennis tooth]

There's no denying he's got some good mic skills, but they're not in propertion to his fame, or record sales.

 

That said, he's a far better rapper than divs like Kanye West or 50 Cent. Basically, every top-selling hiphop artist is, as a rule of thumb, fucking shit.

 

I hate Snoop, Jay-Z, Kanye, Lil Wayne, any female rapper, any rapper who dabbles in r&b, Dr Dre, 50 Cent, Black Eyed Peas, Tupac, Puff Daddy, that fat dead cunt. I could go on.

 

All rubbish.

 

Right too fucking far my friend. Are you sure you were not looking for a ock and roll thread? I can agree on the 50 cents, puff daddies and Lil Wayne's and even the R and B bollocks that goes on, I even despise Jay Z flossin ass nigga that he is, what I won't have on a hip hop thread is to speak ill of Dre and 2Pac and Snoop, you may think other people are better at hip hopping than them but do not lump them in all together with retards above please.

 

We want a good clean thread, no low blows please. Cheers mate.

[RED.DUB]

tbf i think the lot of yis are in the wrong thread.

personal opinion is irrelevant when you havnt got a clue what your talking about.

[silverlining]

Tupac *is* shit.

 

So shit that I'm actually *glad* he's dead, although his demise doesn't appear to have slowed his output of shit records. Same with Biggiie

And don't try and school me when it comes to hiphop.

[theghost]

He's fucking shit.

 

Go listen to Wu Tang for fuck's sake.

[RED.DUB]

He's fucking shit.

 

Go listen to Wu Tang for fuck's sake.

who havnt made a decent album in years,barring a few notable exceptions from the solo members.

eminem is far superior than every single member of wu tang,fact.

[dennis tooth]

who havnt made a decent album in years,barring a few notable exceptions from the solo members.

eminem is far superior than every single member of wu tang,fact.

 

Opinion, not fact. All the Wu Tang are better than Eminem at hip hop. They made it off their own backs selling tapes out of the back of cars by word of mouth not sending a tape to dr dre and coming up off his name.

[RED.DUB]

Opinion, not fact. All the Wu Tang are better than Eminem at hip hop. They made it off their own backs selling tapes out of the back of cars by word of mouth not sending a tape to dr dre and coming up off his name.

your lack of knowledge is embarrassing,your like that middle aged guy who thinks hes "down" because he thinks he knows everything about rap,when in fact he knows fuck all.:D

i talk to a guy like you,who has his own version of every event(like what youve just said above),that i just dont have the heart to correct so i go along with what hes saying.:(

[theghost]

your lack of knowledge is embarrassing,your like that middle aged guy who thinks hes "down" because he thinks he knows everything about rap,when in fact he knows fuck all.:D

i talk to a guy like you,who has his own version of every event(like what youve just said above),that i just dont have the heart to correct so i go along with what hes saying.:(

 

Liquid Swords is 10,000 miles ahead of anything Eminem will ever write, and he's never put out a single track as good as Triumph and he never will.

[Tyler Durden]

Opinion, not fact. All the Wu Tang are better than Eminem at hip hop. They made it off their own backs selling tapes out of the back of cars by word of mouth not sending a tape to dr dre and coming up off his name.

 

A producer at interscope advised Dre to sign Eminem, after hearing him at a battle if I remember right. Plus Dre was on one track again if I remember right, hardly like he had him on every song getting famous off his name, Eminem made it big because he was the first credible MC who was White, not that there wernt any before, just right place right time after the growing hip hop/rap impact on white suburbia in U.S. trickled through