French Govt deport Roma immigrants

[dennis tooth]

The rules put in place by the French stipulated that citizens of Romania and Bulgaria who do not have residency or work permit for 3 months will be deemed illegal. If these Romani groups from Bulg/Rom want to remain in France then they should get themselves a job or a house.

Only liberal idiots who lack common sense can fault the French for deporting people who under their laws are classed as illegal immigrants, who are unemployed, who build ghettos to live in squalor, are cut off from the rest of society and where crime and disease is widespread.

There is not one good reason to object to France's actions and for all the shouting and screaming from the liberals, nobody has suggested why France should halt their expulsion policy, and instead all we hear are pathetic, emotive claims that France are emulating the Nazis.

 

Sorry couldn't hear you above the muffled sounds of cocksucking, don't talk with your mouth full.

[Red Mist]

Sorry couldn't hear you above the muffled sounds of cocksucking, don't talk with your mouth full.

Yeah thought so, off you go Dennis. Go find a news article to back up whatever absurd position you happen to support, since your own wits aren't up to it.

[dennis tooth]

Yeah thought so, off you go Dennis. Go find a news article to back up whatever absurd position you happen to support, since your own wits aren't up to it.

 

Find what, what's that sorry, something about France being a member of the EU and subject to EU law, stop slurping, sorry, no you've gone again, what that, sorry I can't hear over the sound of balls slapping on yer chin. Call back and chat later yeah?

[njackets]

The rules put in place by the French stipulated that citizens of Romania and Bulgaria who do not have residency or work permit for 3 months will be deemed illegal. If these Romani groups from Bulg/Rom want to remain in France then they should get themselves a job or a house.

Only liberal idiots who lack common sense can fault the French for deporting people who under their laws are classed as illegal immigrants, who are unemployed, who build ghettos to live in squalor, are cut off from the rest of society and where crime and disease is widespread.

There is not one good reason to object to France's actions and for all the shouting and screaming from the liberals, nobody has suggested why France should halt their expulsion policy, and instead all we hear are pathetic, emotive claims that France are emulating the Nazis.

 

Spot on!

[BatChainPuller]

An alternative approach :

 

Spain's Tolerance of Gypsies: A Model for Europe

Time.com

Spain's Tolerance of Gypsies: A Model for Europe - Yahoo! News

 

By ANDRÉS CALA / MADRID AndrÉs Cala / Madrid – Thu Sep 16, 9:30 am ET

 

Antonio Moreno lives on what is reputedly Madrid's most dangerous street, where dealers openly offer any type of drug around the clock. He owns a four-bedroom house with a pool; he works out of his own photo and video studio - and he's a gypsy, one of the 40,000 inhabitants of an illegal settlement on the outskirts of the Spanish capital. Had they been in just about any other European country, Moreno and his neighbors would be the source of tension and controversy: On Tuesday, the E.U. called France's continued deportation of its gypsies a "disgrace" and threatened disciplinary action against the country. Suddenly, all across Europe, a community that's used to living on the fringes is now in the spotlight - and, in some cases, suffering heightened prejudice as a result. But Moreno isn't worried. Because when it comes to dealing with gypsies - also known as Roma - Spain is different.

 

"[The deportations] will never happen here," says Moreno. "We are integrated. I'm first Spanish, then gypsy, and I'm proud to be both." While many European countries see their Roma communities as problems to be tackled, Spain has embraced its gypsies, giving them rights, celebrating their history - making them feel at home. "Of course there is racism, but it's better here than anywhere else I've seen," Moreno says of his trips to Italy, France, Germany and the Czech Republic. "Spain has helped gypsies a lot." (See pictures of France cracking down on migrants.)

 

Indeed, 35 years after the death of dictator Francisco Franco, the lives of the Roma have improved dramatically. "We weren't even human before. We were animals," says Moreno of a time when authorities prevented gypsies from working, studying, or even gathering in groups bigger than four. Today, the European Commission, European Union member countries, and the Roma themselves all agree that Spain has become the model for integrating gypsies, often citing it as "a case of good practices." So good that the governments of Bulgaria, Slovakia, Hungary, the Czech Republic and even Romania - where many Roma come from - are looking to Spain for ideas to apply themselves.

 

Of the between 10 and 12 million Roma living in Europe, Spain has the second biggest community, estimated at about 970,000, or around 2% of the total population. And the country spends almost 36 million euros annually bringing them into the fold. In Spain, only 5% of gypsies live in makeshift camps and about half of Roma are homeowners. Just about all gypsies in Spain have access to healthcare, and while no recent figures exist, at least 75% are believed to have some sort of steady income. (See "Who Are Gypsies, and Why Is France Deporting Them?")

 

Spain is also investing in an area that many experts believe is the key to keeping Roma out of poverty: education. Almost all gypsy children start elementary school (although only about 30% compete it) and more than 85% of the country's gypsies are literate. "Spain's use of European social funds is a good example for other member states," says E.U. Commission Vice President and Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding in an e-mail to TIME. "The Spanish government has shown that it is working on integrating the Roma population and we've seen some positive results."

 

Spain's two-pronged integration approach has been instrumental in those results, pairing access to mainstream social services with targeted inclusion programs. For example, Roma can have access to public housing and financial aid on the condition that they send their children to schools and healthcare facilities. Then there's the Gypsy Secretariat Foundation Acceder program, which experts say is one of the best integration initiatives in Europe. The program takes young unemployed gypsies, teaches them technical skills and helps them earn the equivalent of a high-school degree. At the end, they are placed in jobs through a series of agreements with private companies. It's been such a success that Romania's National Agency for Roma is now trying to implement its own version. (See pictures of immigration in Europe.)

 

But can the rest of Europe replicate Spain's success? Much of the country's good work in integrating Roma is thanks to its specific history with the community. In order to guarantee stability in a country split along nationalist lines, the constitution written after Franco's death was inclusive of all ethnic and cultures, thus shielding Roma from institutional exclusion. And because gypsies were the single-most impoverished population in the 1980s, they attracted the most development efforts.

 

Despite centuries of victimization, gypsies have also melded into Spanish mainstream culture - Flamenco dancing and traditional Spanish dress are both borrowed from the community. "Spanish gypsies also resisted integration efforts less than in other countries because they have been sedentary for centuries," says JosÉ Manuel Fresco, an adviser to the E.U. Commission on Roma issues and head of the Spanish government's antiracism commission. (Read: "Spain's Immigrants Suffer in Economic Downturn.")

 

Even if other E.U. countries do follow in Spain's footsteps and learn to love their Roma, that only solves half the problem. The best way to stop countries such as France and Italy from deporting gypsies is to ensure the gypsies are happy enough at home that they don't need to go to France or Italy in the first place. "Spain has done much more than other old member states [to integrate Roma], but now we have to make sure that success transfers to new member states," says Ivan Ivanov, executive director of the Brussels-based European Roma Information Office. "Then Roma migrations might stop." Deportations are futile, he says: "The gypsies will just come back in a few months. Policies need to be adopted now, or in five years the very same countries will complain of migrations from other countries."

 

Antonio Moreno would agree. A Spanish gypsy as far back as he can trace his roots, he can't imagine his family living anywhere else. And while he appreciates that his children get financial aid and the state pays for his grandchildren to go to school, he also believes that gypsies themselves have a responsibility to integrate. "Most gypsies are good people and want to coexist with others," Moreno says. "There are some who exclude themselves, but not us. We're staying in Spain because this is our home."

[Red Mist]

I may be wrong but i dont think it has been a specific party political fault of one party,the mish mash of immigration policy has been going on for decades.

Afro Caribbean families were invited into this country post second world war to do jobs the resident population wouldnt do.

Also lots of Indian and Pakistani families have followed this policy too.

Indian people may have been entitled through being part of the commonwealth but im not certain.

Also freedom of movement as allowed by the EU has had a massive impact on our economy over the past 15 years or so.

We have more immigrants than ever before but our economy is in deep shit still. The claims that the EU and immigration is good for the British economy really should be put into perspective when evaluating the situation the country finds itself in, yet some gullible folk will still believe the lies peddled by the liberals.

Mass migration has been bad for the economy and bad for the country in general.

[VladimirIlyich]

We have more immigrants than ever before but our economy is in deep shit still. The claims that the EU and immigration is good for the British economy really should be put into perspective when evaluating the situation the country finds itself in, yet some gullible folk will still believe the lies peddled by the liberals.

Mass migration has been bad for the economy and bad for the country in general.

 

 

How do you know there are more immigrants than ever?

I think there was actually a drop in population in recent years wasnt there?

 

There have always been immigrants for donkeys years,im sure most of the population of liverpool can be traced back to the potato famine of the 1800's as mine can.

 

When i was a kid it was afro caribbean and asian immigrants and now its eastern european immigrants,who next?

 

I agree with you that there needs to be sensible immigration policy but no political party has really got it right yet.

[dennis tooth]

We have more immigrants than ever before but our economy is in deep shit still. The claims that the EU and immigration is good for the British economy really should be put into perspective when evaluating the situation the country finds itself in, yet some gullible folk will still believe the lies peddled by the liberals.

Mass migration has been bad for the economy and bad for the country in general.

 

Why is it bad for the economy? Why do economists say otherwise?

 

Must all be liberals or gullible folk.

 

Er the bankers weren't immigrants

 

The basic rule though is unless you are stupid enough to think human life was created in Britain, then logically without mass migration, there would be no economy at all as there'd be no one here at all.

[dennis tooth]

After stumbling in his crusade for a graduate contribution, Vince Cable seemed to go a bit quiet. But this morning he's roared back into the newspapers with another attack on coalition policy. The target of his anger is, once again, the immigration cap – but he's being far less equivocal about it this time around. The way in which the cap is being implemented this year, he tells the FT, is "very damaging to the UK economy." To force the point home, he says he has a "file full" of companies who are suffering because of it.

[theghost]

Have we chopped all of their fucking arms off yet?

[dennis tooth]

No still waiting for the signal to move.

[23CARRAGOLD]

Its a shit world we live in when being born in the wrong place means a life of poverty and being looked down upon. Its a fucking lottery as soon as you exit the womb.

 

I think that we as British born people can count ourselves lottery winners considering some of the shite that other people around the world are born into. Some of them start work from years of age where we are just entering nursery.

 

Our only problems are worrying about house prices falling and other such meneal shite. Gotta respect people who want to leave the type of contries mentioned to come over here and graft because theres nothing but poverty and depression in their own country.