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How do you grade our summer dealings?

    The summer transfer window is done for another year and the Reds were certainly active, with seven players arriving and seemingly a couple of hundred departing. While other clubs were spending their TV cash windfall like drunken sailors, Liverpool have somehow made a profit. Is that good or bad? Three of our writers share their thoughts on a contentious summer...

The first thing to say here is that, looking back over the summer and last season, I can feel myself getting less arsed by the second with Liverpool right now. I can see clearly that the transfer business of this window has been unsatisfactory but I'm equally going beyond a visceral response and simply retreating into a metaphorical shrug. I mean if the club aren't arsed about winning, why should I be? Because it won't happen if they don't try. 

By no means has it been disastrous: we've done some outward deals that seem to make both footballing and financial sense and appear to have grabbed a couple of good 'uns in Mané and Matip. However, the left back scenario is mad, even if Kloppo wants it that way (to find a slot for Milner?). 

Also the lack of a dominant midfielder - he doesn't have to be a (Christ, I'm sick of these letters) "DM" - is odd for a manager for whom midfield is key, and the lack of a reliable, fit and firing centre forward who can play the Klopp way very worrying. 

I have no issue with his view on Sakho other than the fact he didn't just go for a sale and think the clauses going into sales and loans of youngsters are eminently sensible. 

However, do you know anyone who can muster more than bemusement at our window? I don't. It seems truly mad to recoup more than we spend with all around spending like oligarchs. 

So, overall, I'll give this window a 5/10 when we needed a 9 at the very least. However, judging by Klopp's comments and demeanour, he sees it as at least a 7 and possibly better. I can't get my head round that and I'm therefore not anticipating much in the way of pleasure at the match this season. Still, isn't that what being a Red is these days?

And yes, I still miss Luis... 

 

Paul Natton

@OxtonSoulBoy

 


 

I'm sure I'm not in the minority but I'm thoroughly downhearted about the transfer window. It doesn't feel like the club has done nearly enough to get itself back up amongst the higher echelons of the league. 

 

First you could say "well we bought seven players" but that's not really the whole story. Of those seven only Mané looks like a cast-iron quality acquisition. Karius hasn't played, Klavan is a back-up, Matip might be good, the fella from Newcastle should join a hacker group he's so anonymous, Grujic doesn't seem to be able to get a sniff of the first team and I thought Manninger was dead. That's not a squad overhaul, it's a cheap facelift in a backstreet doctors. I'll never get over Klopp willingly parting with Allen to play someone who cost £10 million more and provides less for the team. So yeah, seven signings - hardly magnificent.

 

Then there's the rebuild factor. "Oh we've got a few years rebuilding", you know who says that? Losers. United, Chelsea and City all responded to sub-par years by regrouping, splashing the cash and powering forward. Look at United, they make a mockery of all Liverpool's excuses. Apparently players want to go to London - wrong. Apparently the best players won't come if you're not in the Champions League - wrong. At this point Liverpool are throwing out bad excuses like the Ghostbusters when they dug up the middle of First Avenue.

 

The club finished the first transfer window of the new TV deal with more money than it started. It shipped out past mistakes because there were so damn many of them and we're all meant to be impressed by that. I've never been more angry than I am at the stagnant sewer that's beginning to fester around the owners. They seem to think because they've put a charismatic manager in place we'll all ignore the lack of spending.

 

 

So, rating? Minus 14.50 / 10, the same number as the negative net spend the club managed. I've never been one to be in the "sIgN Big NaMEz" category but for f***'s sake, sign somebody who is actually coveted by other top clubs.

 

Julian Richards

@Juleswithnoname

 


 

When it comes to making a judgement on the success, or lack of it, in terms of recruitment the problem you will always encounter is that you do not have access to the manager's thoughts or plans for his squad and thus cannot really judge if the gaps you perceive were ever being targeted to be filled. That being said, it's rather safer ground when looking at the players that have been brought into the club and how they look to be shaping up or how efficiently the club has flushed out the players deemed surplus to requirements.

 

The assessment of the work that has been done in showing players the door, and the money that has been negotiated for them, is hugely positive. Bringing in just over £60m for Ibe, Benteke, Skrtel and Allen seems to indicate that the club has really sharpened up when it comes to this aspect of the transfer market, and even some of the less prominent names such as Sinclair, Canos, Alberto and Smith appear to have been sold at good prices (with the four of them alone balancing out the Karius and Grujic deals). With it seeming that we even managed to get someone to pay Balotelli's £4.5 a year wages, and factoring in that we haven't lost any key personnel like in previous summers, you'd have to say the outs have been pretty good.

 

With regards to the players that have joined the club it's hard to make a solid judgement on them so soon into their Liverpool careers but it also looks to be work well done. The biggest signing of the summer, Saido Mane, has rocketed out of the traps for the club and looks to be, already, a key player for the side and will be a huge factor if there is to be a good showing this season. There is reason to be very positive about what Karius, Matip and Klavan can bring to the squad for very prudent fees and it's only really Wijnaldum that might be raising a little concern after a quiet start to his efforts to justify his fee.

 

With the club making a net profit on transfer fees this window the question of whether there has been a missed opportunity to add something extra to the squad is one that won't be going away any time soon, unless the current squad blow it away on the pitch.

 

The glaring issue that mystifyingly remains is at left-back. Klopp may defend Moreno publicly but he clearly doesn't rate him enough to play him ahead of Milner at the moment, which does beg the question why he wouldn't want to sign a specialist. Maybe he thinks that those two can cover that position adequately for what he wants, or that the squad cohesion and team spirit aspect is more important than chancing an improvement there with someone he hasn't had a summer with? Whatever the reality it looks to be the big banana skin that he may well slip up on this year if he isn't careful.

 

Overall: 7.5 / 10

 

Stu Montagu

@SimianJustice

 

 


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I think there's an awful lot of blame being shoved at FSG for not giving Klopp any money when every indication is that he didn't want any more money.

 

You can't actually believe that, surely mate?

 

The board says "you can spend another 20 or 30 million if you like", and there isn't a manager in football that would say "nah, you're alright thanks."

 

If theres money, it gets spent. If there isn't, it doesn't.

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You can't actually believe that, surely mate?

 

The board says "you can spend another 20 or 30 million if you like", and there isn't a manager in football that would say "nah, you're alright thanks."

 

If theres money, it gets spent. If there isn't, it doesn't.

Is the answer

 

More likely imo he's been asked to wait and kick out the dead wood and he'll get some funding when the Chinese deal is done, Given Klopp is not a quick fix merchant I can see why he may have been receptive to that idea. 

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You can't actually believe that, surely mate?

 

The board says "you can spend another 20 or 30 million if you like", and there isn't a manager in football that would say "nah, you're alright thanks."

 

If theres money, it gets spent. If there isn't, it doesn't.

 

I think there is a manager in world football who would say that, and I think he works for Liverpool Football Club.

 

He has given countless interviews about this, unless you think he is a pathological liar then you have to say that's what he thinks.  You can disagree with him, and to a certain extent I do, but it's pretty hard to make the argument that Klopp actually wanted another 30m to buy a few more players.

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Remember when Klopp wasn't looking for a new goalkeeper, a German one, and told the press they were making it up.

 

Yes, or "Allen's a top, top player. Really important to...£13m you say? Goodbye"

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I think there is a manager in world football who would say that, and I think he works for Liverpool Football Club.

 

He has given countless interviews about this, unless you think he is a pathological liar then you have to say that's what he thinks.  You can disagree with him, and to a certain extent I do, but it's pretty hard to make the argument that Klopp actually wanted another 30m to buy a few more players.

 

This.

 

I also think Klopp is very aware of how Liverpool's past late in the window panic buys have worked out.

 

Ive expressed my surprise at a lack of a left back but if Klopp's happy with the position I have to trust him. Still think I'll go off like a kettle if moreno costs us stupid goals though.

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5-6 - the net spend is slightly misleading due to the good deals for Karius and Matip, however it's maddening not to address the holes when we've saved money elsewhere. Who quits when they're ahead? We do.

 

Count me as one of the gullible ones though, as I reckon this window is pretty much all on Klopp. The overall framework of not spending big on any older players or competing with wages is on FSG - as it's always been - but not going after a left back or DM is on Klopp. You can usually tell when a manager has been afforded more power to shape the squad by the amount of youngsters that get booted, and Klopp's not spared the younglings.

 

I think he views this season as his first; after a proper pre-season and with Kornmayer on board to hopefully help the players cope with the intensity of his football. Pare back the squad and see how a core group fare without the extra strain of European competition. I just don't think LB was a priority, and he rates certain players higher than the fans.

 

I don't like it, as during the inevitable injury crisis it'll bite us in the arse, but it seems the factors Klopp looks for in potential signings aren't lining up with what fans desire (especially me). The midfield is still a sea of mincing queefs in many eyes; however, Allen could tackle and was jettisoned because, I'd wager, he couldn't transition quickly and his sprinting looked like a child toddling after an ice cream van. On the other hand, Henderson and Lallana are as intimidating as the tough ones in a boy band, but they have athletic attributes that mean they appeal to a coach who believes he can improve players.

 

That's what I think this window represents most of all, one overseen by a coach who backs his own nous to improve what he has. The most telling answers Klopp's given all summer were the ones where he was clearly just getting pissed off with the questions about buying more players. He had digs at Bayern about buying so many players, and has continually tried to find new ways to utilise those players who have the right mindset to learn. He should have brought in a LB, but he thinks Milner has the attributes to perform there as well as any player who could be available to us in our present state.

 

It's still a bit of a shit window, but if he wants to turn doubters into believers, then he's got enough doubters now - I'm doubtful our Dirty Dozen approach will work, especially in a defence that could end up with Milner and a kid at fullback, and Lucas at CB - but it he pulls it off then no one will question this kind of madness again.

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7-8  yes we need a left back  but im waiting to see if Gomez is our long term plan  for that  the lad owned that position before he got injured.Think klopp went all in on Dahoud aswell but the sale of Xahka to Arsenal  put pay to that.I do however like the fact we have not wasted money just for the sake of it  like we have over the last 2 summers but on the other hand  if we really  what a player i wish we would stop fucking about with this low ball  bidding and just pay up because it wastes time and allows other teams to jump the queue 

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Makes the early Hicks and Gillet years of Mascherano, Torres and Snoogy Doogy look like the halcyon days.

 

Fool us once under Rodgers; fool us twice under Klopp. The policy of speculative purchases without the high wages of established players is clearly an edict from the top regardless of the manager. The small successes we've had over the past years have very much been despite FSG and not because of them: as another recent transfer thread highlighted, it's been one abomination after another. We've got Wengers stubbornness to thank for not losing Suarez to Arsenal. The phrases "what are they smoking at Arsenal" and "we'll never do a Tottenham" come to mind when considering what an oblivious catastrophe this group of owners have been on the playing side.

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I voted 5-6.

 

Wide player: Mane 8/10 - Looks a good player

Centre mid: Wijnaldum 4/10 - Not what we need, we already have Milner and Hendo who could do his job of running around harassing people. We needed someone who could control the midfield and this guy ain't it.

Centre back: Matip, Klavan 7/10 - They look solid enough

Goalkeeper: Karius 7/10 - I've never seen him play so it's more out of hope...

Left back: .... 4/10 - I don't rate Moreno as poorly as most people, but some competition for him would be ideal.

My initial impressions are while none of our new lads seem poor, Wijnaldum and Karius are average to good, Matip and Grujic good to very good and Mane very good, occasionally excellent but never superlative.

 

No idea of Karius.

 

As school reports go, overall the transfers were good but could have been better.

 

 

6/10.

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A solid 7/10. 

 

Could have been better. Could have been worse. 

 

Some key signings to go into the first team in areas that really needed to be upgraded, including Karius, Matip, Mane (what a start from him so far). Then Klavan seems an experienced solid citizen, and Wijnaldum, who so far is not bad/not great, but you suspect there's more to come once the midfield settles down a bit, probably with Can at the base. Grujic for the future, too. 

 

Outgoing has been very good - so good in fact that lots of people are moaning about the net spend being in the black. I'm not so sure that this will happen again. We had a bloated squad and a lot of teams have more cash than ever, so we sold players for good money. Is right! About time! For far too long we've sold players for a pittance, but great progress was made on that front this summer. 

 

Left back seems the glaring omission from the deals we made. We'll have to wait and see what Milner and Moreno do, but almost every fan would agree that this is a big miss this summer. 

 

Arguably we need a midfielder and a striker, but you get the impression that these will be big singings in a future window, while Klopp makes use of what he currently has at his disposal. 

 

I'm chilled about the whole thing. We've improved, and we will see that as the season progresses. With that said, there's still more to do, but Klopp has made a useful start. 

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Makes the early Hicks and Gillet years of Mascherano, Torres and Snoogy Doogy look like the halcyon days.

 

Fool us once under Rodgers; fool us twice under Klopp. The policy of speculative purchases without the high wages of established players is clearly an edict from the top regardless of the manager. The small successes we've had over the past years have very much been despite FSG and not because of them: as another recent transfer thread highlighted, it's been one abomination after another. We've got Wengers stubbornness to thank for not losing Suarez to Arsenal. The phrases "what are they smoking at Arsenal" and "we'll never do a Tottenham" come to mind when considering what an oblivious catastrophe this group of owners have been on the playing side.

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Not sure this transfer window is FSG 's fault.  Thus far in their 5 full seasons, they have spent £40m net and even backed Kenny and Rodgers (last summer) when they didn't see them as their long term options.

 

Think Klopp has a bit of Wenger about him as he only wants to sign players he can mould and develop - he doesn't even want to sign stars he has previously developed.

 

Given this, maybe Jurgen has 3/ 4 players he wanted to sign, and was financially back to sign, but who weren't ready to come to us - Hector (maybe his wife is pregnant and doesn't want the move this summer), Coric (wants to help out Zagreb in the CL), Dahoud (another season needed in Germany/ his club won't let him go yet) etc.

 

In keeping with his Wengeresque mentality, no doubt Klopp is ready to wait for these players, especially with his new 6 year contract. 

 

This is a good thing right and he / the owners shouldn't be slated for it. Of course the irony is if we get the new Chinese investment and have money to spend on established stars and like Arsenal, will have a manager reluctant to do so..  

 

Do we sell our soul like United and go for the hated Mourinho for a bit of short term bought glory, or keep to a long term project.  After all, it did take Shankly four and half years to make us into champions. 

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I think the Klopp/Wenger comparison is probably spot on in the sense that Klopp wants to be financially sound and won't pay high fees unless it's for a top talent or a player he really wants. Saying that, I don't think for one second that he doesn't want to buy stars and just wants to develop players because that simply makes no sense. No manager who has money to spend thinks that way.

 

Even Wenger will spend big for class players like Alexis and Ozil, and Klopp would absolutely do the same if given the chance. But I think, like Wenger, he's reticent to pay over the odds for anyone he doesn't think is worth his price, even if that player would fill a need in the squad.

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4/10 - Have to admit despite my early skepticism Mané has looked very good so far and should add some badly needed pace to the side. However, I fail to see what Wijnaldum adds in the role he is being played and the lack of a new left back to replace the donkey that is Alberto Moreno is nothing short of insane.

 

Throw in a couple more signings that look good on paper but have yet to really play (Matip, Karius) and the rating could go up, but it's obvious to me that the massive holes in the team we have inexplicably failed to fill will cost us dearly yet again, and there's really no excuse for failing to do anything about it.

 

The "well, Klopp doesn't want to spend money on the wrong player" line is a very flimsy one in my opinion. Far better to take a punt on a LB and a controlling midfielder who may not work out than have no-one there and resort to using 30 year old James Milner to plug in the gaps. What are our scouts for? Are we really saying there is nobody available to us in world football right now better than Alberto Moreno? After finishing the transfer window as pretty much the only club of any note making a huge profit? Nah, not for me.

 

Klopp clearly isn't stupid, but the decisions that have been made are daft. Something stinks, I'm sure he'll try and make it work but it's very hard to believe this is what he wanted to do. It'll be interesting to see if things remain so cordial if the season goes down the shitter early doors.

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I think we've bought well and got players the manager wanted. I also think it's a bit ridiculous to be judging this after three games and two of which we've taken points away at our top 4 rivals.

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We're a good stepping stone for Mane. Hopefully we'll get £80m for him in a year or two from a team who wants to win things. Nice big profit. The money will add an extra wing to John and Linda's holiday home in the Hamptons.

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We're a good stepping stone for Mane. Hopefully we'll get £80m for him in a year or two from a team who wants to win things. Nice big profit. The money will add an extra wing to John and Linda's holiday home in the Hamptons.

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£40m net each season. Not great, but not bad.

 

My point is they would have probably backed Jurgen had he been able to obtain what he wanted this summer, instead of having to wait until next.

 

Paisley converted Ray Kennedy from decent forward to left midfield to allow him more space on the ball and take advantage of his runs into the box.  

 

Jurgen probably worked out that , in the modern game when each team crowds the middle of the pitch,  the full back positions have most time and space on the ball, so why not put one of your most clever, effective and hard working players out there.

 

In Jurgen we trust! - sound familiar ;)

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Obviously early doors and no one knows how the season will pan out but can't shake that feeling of here we go again mainly due to the fact we simply haven't addressed the left back issue.

 

In addition I still think we're diabolical at set pieces and that'll continue to cost us a lot of points. Matip and Kariaus might help though as time goes on.

 

Also we're gash in the middle of the park and still struggle to stop teams cutting through us with ease. I'm not confident a midfield two of Henderson and Can will stop that anytime soon. 

 

All that being said I'm hopeful Mane will win us a few games single handedly this year. It might just make up for the points we're likely to drop from not addressing glaring weaknesses in the squad. 

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