4 hours ago, DJLJ said:

Nothing to see here....

 

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/premier-league/bad-luck-for-jurgen-klopp-as-anthony-taylor-is-named-referee-for-manchester-united-v-liverpool-at-old-trafford/a943784108.html

 

Bad luck for Jurgen Klopp as Anthony Taylor is named referee for Manchester United v Liverpool at Old Trafford

Harry Latham-Coyle

© UK Independent

Today at 12:55

Anthony Taylor will take charge of Manchester United vs Liverpool as the two rivals meet in a vital Premier League fixture, but Anfield fans won’t be happy. 

The veteran referee has been appointed to the match at Old Trafford which shapes as a crucial encounter in both the race for the title and a top four finish. 

However, Jurgen Klopp has 82 defeats in his Liverpool career, 40 losses have come when the referee was Taylor. 

 

 

Unmute

 

 

 

 

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Klopp directed his ire towards the official during the loss to Arsenal at the Emirates this season and Taylor sent him off during Liverpool’s 1-0 win at the Etihad last season.

Liverpool are top of the Premier League table after their win over Brighton, with fellow title chasers Manchester City and Arsenal picking up only a point in an Etihad Stadium stalemate.

Manchester United, meanwhile, suffered a set-back in their pursuit of a Champions League place with a draw at Brentford, and face Chelsea in a potentially tricky Thursday night fixture before returning to the comforts of home.

 

 

The reverse fixture between Liverpool and their long-time foes ended 0-0 at Anfield earlier in the season, though the pair shared a rather more eventful seven-goal thriller in the FA Cup at Old Trafford last month.

Both meetings have featured a sending off, meaning Taylor may well have a crucial role to play.

Born in Wythenshawe, the 45-year-old official has been a Premier League panel referee since 2010.

Last year, he came under fire directly from ex-Roma manager Jose Mourinho. 

The former Chelsea, Manchester United and Spurs boss confronted and swore at the English official in the car park after their defeat to Sevilla in the Europa League final.

That's quite incredible. 

Surely that isn't true ?

9 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Surely that isn't true ?

Update, its bollocks.

Jurgen has only lost 62 games in non-European games, and I checked the first two seasons and Taylor wasn't involved in any of the 19 losses. 

It is easy to forget the likes of Kevin Friend ( and who the fuck is R East who was in charge of 4 of them? )

Taylor was the ref in our 4-2 and 5-0 wins at the toilet in 2021, so maybe he’s a lucky charm?

When was the last time a Merseyside born and raised ref was appointed to this fixture, or the Citeh fixture (home or away - league or cup games)? 

4 minutes ago, Fallen Angel said:

When was the last time a Merseyside born and raised ref was appointed to this fixture, or the Citeh fixture (home or away - league or cup games)? 

You can't do that, they might be bias. You can't trust a Scouser you know. 

Long as usual but still a revealing read:

https://tomkinstimes.substack.com/p/why-liverpool-and-everton-are-refereed

2 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

You can't do that, they might be bias. You can't trust a Scouser you know. 

The fall-out from whichever Manc club was involved, as well as in the press, would be off the charts, even if it was a dead-rubber game. 
 

Yet LFC sit meekly and accept it with scarcely a murmur. Doesn’t need to be Klopp - just official statements from the club before and after. 

1 hour ago, Fallen Angel said:

The fall-out from whichever Manc club was involved, as well as in the press, would be off the charts, even if it was a dead-rubber game. 
 

Yet LFC sit meekly and accept it with scarcely a murmur. Doesn’t need to be Klopp - just official statements from the club before and after. 

When Jürgen does leave, I hope he cites the incompetence, bias and outright cheating of the officials in this country as being largely responsible.

Gives examples and names names.

5 hours ago, Carvalho Diablo said:

 

When Jürgen does leave, I hope he cites the incompetence, bias and outright cheating of the officials in this country as being largely responsible.

 

Gives examples and names names.

Yes I said the same in another thread a few days ago. 

12 hours ago, sir roger said:

 

Update, its bollocks.

 

Jurgen has only lost 62 games in non-European games, and I checked the first two seasons and Taylor wasn't involved in any of the 19 losses. 

 

It is easy to forget the likes of Kevin Friend ( and who the fuck is R East who was in charge of 4 of them? )

These are the real numbers for Taylor. 

• Games: 58
• Wins: 32
• Draws: 16
• Defeats: 10

8 hours ago, Fallen Angel said:

The fall-out from whichever Manc club was involved, as well as in the press, would be off the charts, even if it was a dead-rubber game. 
 

Yet LFC sit meekly and accept it with scarcely a murmur. Doesn’t need to be Klopp - just official statements from the club before and after. 

The biggest issue for me isn't really the mancs reffing us. It's they seem to be allowed to ref Manchester clubs. But Merseyside referees can't referee Liverpool or Everton. They're effectively saying Manchester referees have no capacity for bias and the opposite is true for Merseyside based refs. But we know the likes of Oliver doesn't get Saudi matches. So it's a mechanism provided to Manchester clubs that isn't afforded to other clubs. 

And of course the fact some other refs are allowed to be on the pay role of Abu Dhabi. imagine if FSG were hiring refs for matches in the USA.  It's really quite incredible that it's allowed and if it is allowed, those refs get to be involved with Manchester city games and those of their rivals. 

3 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

The biggest issue for me isn't really the mancs reffing us. It's they seem to be allowed to ref Manchester clubs. But Merseyside referees can't referee Liverpool or Everton. They're effectively saying Manchester referees have no capacity for bias and the opposite is true for Merseyside based refs. But we know the likes of Oliver doesn't get Saudi matches. So it's a mechanism provided to Manchester clubs that isn't afforded to other clubs. 

 

And of course the fact some other refs are allowed to be on the pay role of Abu Dhabi. imagine if FSG were hiring refs for matches in the USA.  It's really quite incredible that it's allowed and if it is allowed, those refs get to be involved with Manchester city games and those of their rivals. 

Spot on. 
 

It wouldn’t matter much as if LFC raised it strongly and it resulted in a change of ref - the PL would make sure the replacement official was well aware his role was to teach our club a lesson….
 

Klopp must be exhausted making such an effort and not get his just rewards because the game is rigged. 

21 hours ago, sir roger said:

 

Update, its bollocks.

 

Jurgen has only lost 62 games in non-European games, and I checked the first two seasons and Taylor wasn't involved in any of the 19 losses. 

 

It is easy to forget the likes of Kevin Friend ( and who the fuck is R East who was in charge of 4 of them? )

Roger East. In my view he was worse than Lee Mason. I know, the mind boggles.

I see that David Coote has been chosen as a VAR for the Olympic football tournament this summer. My mind is boggling again.

57 minutes ago, Frank Dacey said:

Roger East. In my view he was worse than Lee Mason. I know, the mind boggles.

But he wasn't worse than Kevin Friend. Mind blown.

Surprised I don't remember him as he looks like the enemy in Stingray

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

Surprised I don't remember him as he looks like the enemy in Stingray

 

 

 

he didn't ref us too often did he? 

1 hour ago, sir roger said:

Surprised I don't remember him as he looks like the enemy in Stingray

 

 

 

I assume that relates to physical fitness as if it was talking about being fit to referee then none of the fuckers would pass

4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

he didn't ref us too often did he? 

Often enough it would seem, as his name kept appearing in our losses when I checked Klopp's earliest ones.

22 hours ago, Smell The Glove said:

But he wasn't worse than Kevin Friend. Mind blown.

And yet Kevin Friend is now in charge of Select group 2 officials. Why would we not be surprised about that?

6 hours ago, Frank Dacey said:

And yet Kevin Friend is now in charge of Select group 2 officials. Why would we not be surprised about that?

What's that, the championship?

7 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

What's that, the championship?

Yip . There was an interesting article on those refs in the Athletic this week.

30 minutes ago, The wanderer said:

Yip . There was an interesting article on those refs in the Athletic this week.

Have those refs become absolute shite as well? The FL refs used to be a lot better than their so called superiors. The lack of VAR down there helped too.

9 hours ago, VladimirIlyich said:

Have those refs become absolute shite as well? The FL refs used to be a lot better than their so called superiors. The lack of VAR down there helped too.

They're a mixture of some promising younger ones and some absolute garbage who've been on the list for ages and never been given a go in the PL. People like Geoff Eltringham or David Webb.