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"If Victor Valdes joins, will he be number one?"

    Liverpool's summer long search for an upgrade on back keeper Brad Jones took an unexpected twist recently when former Barcelona number one Victor Valdes emerged as a target. Reports suggest a deal has been struck with the much decorated Spaniard, and will be finalised once he has proved his fitness following a serious knee injury. The question is, will Valdes be coming to provide back up/competition or to replace Simon Mignolet? Three of our writers discuss...


Firstly, the lack of quality competition for our number one goalkeeper is something I have been banging my drum about for around five years, so if this comes to fruition I will be happy that we have finally managed to sort that problem out.

 

But if we consider whether or not he will walk straight into the first team or not, I think we have to see how he has recovered from his injury. Valdes’ ACL blew out and it was a bad one. He was in no contact with any player; it was the way his knee bent as his studs caught the turf collecting a high ball. I’ve watched it a couple of times before writing this and it isn’t pleasant viewing. It isn’t just about fitness – how is his confidence? Injuries like this are not easy to recover from.

 

Everything I’ve ever read about Victor Valdes suggests he is a hard working and dedicated winner and you have only to look at his medal collection to see that is absolutely the case. He’s come a long way from the Victor Valdes of the early/mid 2000s who always seemed to be making a string of errors. I see a lot of Spanish football and as he has grown up and come of age, those errors have appeared less and less.

 

He isn’t perfect and he will make errors similar to Mignolet – he will unexpectedly and needlessly fumble a ball under very little pressure and he isn’t the most commanding goalkeeper in the world when it comes to crosses.

 

But what he would definitely bring to our game is control of his penalty area and first class distribution. Barcelona’s game has been all about retaining possession for the last decade and Valdes has played over 500 games for them. He will be ideal for the calmness and composure we need when we’re being pressed in and around our penalty box. He will distribute the ball effectively and cleverly and without panicking the entire crowd.

 

He is very commanding of his box and it will be like having the old Reina back to that effect. He is quick off his line and is always on the front foot, looking to take control and to collect the ball. That to me is one of the big things which separates top goalkeepers from very good ones.

 

I’m pleased to see that we appear to have stolen a march on the rest of Europe on Valdes. I thought there would be a huge queue of clubs after him but it looks like we’ve got there first. He can probably make more money elsewhere but I think Valdes is looking for a new challenge. That was why he tearfully decided to leave Barcelona – another challenge.

 

Displacing Mignolet is going to be one of those. The Belgian is anything but a bad goalkeeper, and it really annoys me to read/see people saying that he is. He’s everything I said he was when we signed him last summer – he makes great saves but the rest of his game needs work. The arrival of Valdes can only do one of two things. Kick him on and make sure he stays number one, or see him be replaced by Valdes.

 

Personally I think Mignolet is in a spot of bother because Valdes is a leader, supposedly a massive warrior and a commanding presence. We don’t have enough of that in our back four and Mignolet isn’t going to become vocal overnight.

 

This really is win/win for the club. Valdes is ridiculously experienced and is still only 32. He might not come straight into the team and he is going to have to severely prove his fitness, but Valdes is going to have designs on that number one spot and that is something that I find very exciting. It’s a shakeup we have needed for a long time and we will reap the rewards of it. 

 

Dan Thomas

 


 

Well this is interesting; once again Liverpool are not messing about when they have a gap in the squad. They’ve identified the problem, they’ve found a solution and they’re away. If I’m Mignolet then I might be a little worried by this potential Valdes signing. I’d love to know what our current number one is thinking about it all but I’d also like to know what the club has said to Valdes and on what terms he’ll be arriving here.

 

The key to this question is what does the club envision with Valdes arriving? Does he want to sit on the bench and count his money? Or does he think he can wrestle the starting spot from Mignolet? Perhaps the club see this situation as a potential scenario where they can platoon them in goal? Certainly if it’s the latter then that’ll never work out, chopping and changing goalkeepers puts everyone on edge. I just can’t see Valdes coming to sit on the bench though, he’s a good goalkeeper who was playing for a successful club side, no way would he have left all that to do nothing.

 

Mignolet might feel aggrieved that he’s being placed in this position but ultimately competition is the best thing for the squad. Now Mignolet might thrive under the pressure or wilt like a poisoned flower. It’s not for all players and I’m not exactly sure what sort of player Mignolet actually is when he’s under pressure for his squad place as the only ‘competition’ has been Brad Jones. He doesn’t seem the most assertive of players (his lack of command in the area emphasises that) but I’m not sure if he will fail when under pressure for places. I genuinely don’t know how he’ll react but my instinct is that he’ll rise to the challenge.

 

It all depends if the club set parameters with both players, if they tell them that Valdes is the no.2 (something I can’t imagine he has agreed too) then that might simultaneously relax Mignolet not to be edgy in games and give him the confidence to produce a string of performances that answers any questions that currently hang over him.

 

I like Valdes although I’ve never thought he was a top echelon ‘keeper but he’s not chopped liver. The dominant Barcelona teams of the last 7 years have been able to get away without actual centre backs since they held on to the ball so well that the opposition could never really pepper their goal. That doesn’t mean that Valdes hasn’t been good when called upon, it’s just I never placed him up there with very best.

 

I suppose the real question is do I think Valdes is better than Mignolet? The answer is I probably do, yes. So if Liverpool are signing a player better than the man occupying the shirt, then I suppose you have to start them. However you look at it Mignolet has now got genuine competition for the first time since he arrived here, what happens next is up to him.

 

Julian Richards

 


 

There are two ways of looking at this potential/probable signing: firstly, it's very harsh to put a very good and indeed improving young keeper like Mignolet under the sort of pressure that stems from one of the most decorated goal keepers in world football coming in to sniff around his first team slot.

 

However, the other is to say that we are a club in the ascendancy and we cannot afford to stand still; Mignolet has been good but not great and why should he be any different to any other player in our rapidly improving squad? They have to face significant competition for their places every week, so why not him.

 

To be honest, I think he's a great shot-stopper whose game nevertheless needs a high degree of re-tuning in order to fully complement the way we play. However, even if I was more effusive about him than that, Valdes would still be a no-brainer of a signing. Assuming his fitness is proven, how could anyone deny he'd be a hugely positive piece of recruitment?

 

We are talking about a man who has won the lot here. His medal collection is incredible, but even if you discount the international medals on the basis that he didn't play, you can't ignore his club haul. Valdes is a winner, plain and simple and you can never have too many of those in a dressing room. Furthermore he's a big character and a leader used to holding his own in a team full of some of the greatest players in history. Again, how can that not be of benefit to us?

 

That all said, it's when you look at his game that the arguments in favour of his signature become compelling. Valdes is made for the way we play: a genuine "sweeper keeper" who's great with his feet and totally unintimidated about being exposed by what most would regard as a recklessly high back line. Furthermore, he's highly vocal and a great shot stopper too.

 

In short, this is beyond doubt a nailed on "must sign" deal (as long as his fitness is assured). And I don't think he'd be coming in as number two either. At 32 years of age, he's just getting into his peak years as a goal keeper and, harsh though it sounds, I'd put him straight into the team at Mignolet's expense. This could be a transformational signing.

 

Paul Natton


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We had 90 minutes to score a goal and a whole half after the slip. Everyone failed I think. wasn't all down to one man.

 

`We didnt need to score a goal if we hadnt have conceded like that.

 

A draw would have been enough.

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We don't play for 0-0 draws

True dat playa. I don't think we'll ever set up to contain and grind out a result ala Maureen and I'm a much happier spectator for it. It'll be called naive the longer we go without winning a trophy but you gotta believe that the ends will justify the means sooner or later.

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Genuinely surprised by the abuse aimed at Tony Evans I thought it was just 12yrolds in Indonesia and the odd crackpot. But it seems like grownups have it in for him as well. He's an excitable fella but not in the cunt camp or an embarrassment but each to their own I suppose.

 

If you think a national football editor of the Times who has been in and around the club for a generation is not clued in then you are all a bit naive. Does everyone know every detail no. But I would suggest people in his position rarely make shit up which is what is being implied.

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Genuinely surprised by the abuse aimed at Tony Evans I thought it was just 12yrolds in Indonesia and the odd crackpot. But it seems like grownups have it in for him as well. He's an excitable fella but not in the cunt camp or an embarrassment but each to their own I suppose.

 

If you think a national football editor of the Times who has been in and around the club for a generation is not clued in then you are all a bit naive. Does everyone know every detail no. But I would suggest people in his position rarely make shit up which is what is being implied.

So you reckon a notoriously secretive communist country was really trying to buy us, I repeat the words communist country there just incase you missed it.

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I always thought it was mostly adults with the barest modicum of perceptiveness who think Tony Evans is a drunken blowhard, bearing in mind its something expressed fairly widely by them.

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True dat playa. I don't think we'll ever set up to contain and grind out a result ala Maureen and I'm a much happier spectator for it. It'll be called naive the longer we go without winning a trophy but you gotta believe that the ends will justify the means sooner or later.

I think the title decider in 89 taught us all a lesson about a conservative approach and even if we were heading for a point, fat Frank could have deflected one off Torres' arse at the end or they could have sneaked one from their first corner of the game. Never a good strategy.
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How did Mingelot cost us the league frode sorry I meant Denny. Last 13 games we won 11 drew 1 lost 1 we were 4th when that run started, we lost the one because of Gerrard mistake, saying that Code blamed Sakho on it. That mistake cost us the league, whatever way we dress it up that was the one, Chelsea rested half a team v us and we couldn't get a result.

 

Utter fucking bollocks on every level.

 

Ignoring for the moment sakho did play a shit ball to Gerrard  who wasnt expecting the fucking thing and was being marked by Ba, when Sakho could easily have gone down the wing.

 

To say that slip cost us is just plain bollocks. What about Toure squaring the ball for lard arse amichebe to equalise at west brom? What about the abject performance away at Hull? What about the defeat by Southampton? The 2-2 against 10 man Newcastle?

 

I could go on but the point is proven. That slip didnt cost us the title. Simple as.

 

As for Valdes, never been convinced by him myself. If he does recover his fitness as seems likely, he will put pressure on ming and if ming isnt good enough, he'll be dropped. Just like valdes would be if his form dipped.

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Utter fucking bollocks on every level.

 

Ignoring for the moment sakho did play a shit ball to Gerrard who wasnt expecting the fucking thing and was being marked by Ba, when Sakho could easily have gone down the wing.

 

To say that slip cost us is just plain bollocks. What about Toure squaring the ball for lard arse amichebe to equalise at west brom? What about the abject performance away at Hull? What about the defeat by Southampton? The 2-2 against 10 man Newcastle?

 

I could go on but the point is proven. That slip didnt cost us the title. Simple as.

 

As for Valdes, never been convinced by him myself. If he does recover his fitness as seems likely, he will put pressure on ming and if ming isnt good enough, he'll be dropped. Just like valdes would be if his form dipped.

Of course it cost us the title, we had the league in our own hands with 3 games to go, we could even afford to draw one, games 3 months earlier are irrelevant, fact is when we had it in our own hands for the 1st time we threw it away. Just stating a fact, to blame Sakho on Gerrard's mistake is ridiculous, be it Gerrard Henderson Allen or Lucas, a midfielder fucked up controlling ball slipped trying to recover and it led to the goal that took our control of the title race away, Gerrard carried us for years but even he makes mistakes, what's done is done, buts lets not try rewrite history.

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Genuinely surprised by the abuse aimed at Tony Evans I thought it was just 12yrolds in Indonesia and the odd crackpot. But it seems like grownups have it in for him as well. He's an excitable fella but not in the cunt camp or an embarrassment but each to their own I suppose.

 

If you think a national football editor of the Times who has been in and around the club for a generation is not clued in then you are all a bit naive. Does everyone know every detail no. But I would suggest people in his position rarely make shit up which is what is being implied.

 

i don't think he's getting much abuse.  People are just pointing out that perhaps Tony is lacking in the credibility essential to someone in his position.  Hardly abusive.  

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TruckerPaddy I can't believe you dragged me into this but here goes.

 

Just for the record trucker I don't think you understand how communism works.The Chinese government do not operate under classical marxism so not sure why you reiterate the word communism?. People own properties there, schools can be run privately etc. They have many investments in the UK such as Heathrow, Canary Wharf etc. I stayed at a hotel recently that was owned by the Chinese government arm overseas.

 

As for the Times and Tony I know that people in his position have to have paper trails for the level of story he reported.I know that people in his position do not last long if they make shit up. I know if you make the reports the Times make and they have zero substance you face litigation in most instances or at best serious problems going forward. I know like me you know nothing more than what you read on the internet or papers.

 

So do I think he fabricated the interest from China no. Do I think there was anything in the the communist rules that would have stopped them investing no. Do I think the Times people were mislead by a rogue source/s more than likely.

 

But I don't profess to know much about business but it is still as likely they were interested but got cold feet. From the little I know about business deals people have front men all the time. In our instance Henry and Werner are the front men.

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i don't think he's getting much abuse.  People are just pointing out that perhaps Tony is lacking in the credibility essential to someone in his position.  Hardly abusive.

 

Cunt must be lost in translation then¡.

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Is there a reason why keepers can't have some genuine, healthy competition to keep them working hard and not getting complacent? Or are they a bit of a precious lot?

 

Just seems a win/win/win scenario.

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TruckerPaddy I can't believe you dragged me into this but here goes.

 

Just for the record trucker I don't think you understand how communism works.The Chinese government do not operate under classical marxism so not sure why you reiterate the word communism?. People own properties there, schools can be run privately etc. They have many investments in the UK such as Heathrow, Canary Wharf etc. I stayed at a hotel recently that was owned by the Chinese government arm overseas.

 

As for the Times and Tony I know that people in his position have to have paper trails for the level of story he reported.I know that people in his position do not last long if they make shit up. I know if you make the reports the Times make and they have zero substance you face litigation in most instances or at best serious problems going forward. I know like me you know nothing more than what you read on the internet or papers.

 

So do I think he fabricated the interest from China no. Do I think there was anything in the the communist rules that would have stopped them investing no. Do I think the Times people were mislead by a rogue source/s more than likely.

 

But I don't profess to know much about business but it is still as likely they were interested but got cold feet. From the little I know about business deals people have front men all the time. In our instance Henry and Werner are the front men.

The man who fronted the "bid" was done for fraud months later.

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The man who fronted the "bid" was done for fraud months later.

Does that influence anything I said in the above statement.

 

It did not effect him, Huang the frontman ended up investing in Inter Milan and being appointed to the board. I haven't looked but was he found guilty of anything as there is a difference between summoned and found guilty.

 

I know zero about Chinese politics and little about business and Huang but I'm pretty certain at any one time business people at that level face writs. I see similar situations about the Chelsea owner from time to time over the years.

 

Good to see you are not mentioning communism anymore.

 

Huang may or may not be a walter Mitty type. But he is/was ended up on a board at a huge football club so unsure where you are going with this. The original point I made was the Times do not pluck this sort of stuff from Nowhere, close to a sacking offence if no proper paper trails.

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Does that influence anything I said in the above statement.

 

It did not effect him, Huang the frontman ended up investing in Inter Milan and being appointed to the board. I haven't looked but was he found guilty of anything as there is a difference between summoned and found guilty.

 

I know zero about Chinese politics and little about business and Huang but I'm pretty certain at any one time business people at that level face writs. I see similar situations about the Chelsea owner from time to time over the years.

 

Good to see you are not mentioning communism anymore.

 

Huang may or may not be a walter Mitty type. But he is/was ended up on a board at a huge football club so unsure where you are going with this. The original point I made was the Times do not pluck this sort of stuff from Nowhere, close to a sacking offence if no proper paper trails.

Inter are broke since he got involved, go investigate Kenny Haung fraud on google, and then come back to me.

The Chinese government never wanted to buy LFC ok, never.

On a more recent subject, the world and his brother knew Origi would be going back to Lille, not Tony, he said he'd be staying, any idea?

How about Tony saying on national radio in June 2010 plans has already begun for the and I quote "diplomatic removal of Steven Gerrard and Fernando Torres" that summer, also bollocks.

The man knows no more about the goings on at LFC than the majority of posters on here. Sorry if that upsets you, it's true.

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