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"Outstandingly good". Are you sure? - by John Brennan

“Outstandingly good.” Really? In comparison to the defensive naufrage of the previous week against Watford (and to a lesser extent Hoffenheim), it was decent. But “outstandingly good”? Sorry, but that shows how low the bar is for this defence at the moment.

 

Clean sheet?!! TOWN!!!! “Managing expectations”, as Gérard used to call it, when he knew his time was up. And when we do come up against decent sides, y’know, those challenging for League Titles and European honours, rather than what was, in essence, an alehouse team with eight men behind the ball hoping to nick a goal, we’ll see how “outstandingly good” we really are.

 

Still, it would be facetious not to praise some stuff from yesterday – for a few reasons. The first is obviously keeping a clean sheet. Our incapacity to do so and make our front men’s job easier has been the bane of Klopp’s teams (and Rodgers’ before that). Saturday was his 70th League game in charge (just the 85 goals conceded, in case you were wondering). We’ve kept 21 clean sheets in that time.

 

That means we’ve conceded in 70% of our games under this manager! So even though it was only Palace, the clean sheet is welcome. You have to start somewhere. But the acid test will come soon; Arsenal and City will likely have more questions for this defence than did Palace.

 

A second reason to be happy? (I know, I can’t believe it either!). It was only our 7th 1-0 win under Klopp! Winning ugly should never be a goal, but it’s sometimes a necessity. Against Palace, that’s what we did. We huffed and puffed in the first half and things never quite came off for us. When we did eventually score, even that was through luck allied to persistence (Mané never stops running, does he?). That we only needed the one goal to get all three points was a good thing yesterday because it wasn’t happening for us. That just the one sufficed was down to the clean sheet.

 

A third source of satisfaction? Some of the individual performances. When I heard there were three changes in the back four my first thought was, “So he DOES know that there’s a problem then?!”. But that relief soon gave way to trepidation. Klavan? Gomez? Some guy who couldn’t get in ahead of Moreno the previous week? With Palace’s jinx over us and another tough week behind us, you could be forgiven for fearing the worst.

 

And then at 5pm, you’re looking back on Robertson’s performance. Solid at the back. Not afraid to do the ugly stuff. Gets forward. Has a decent cross. Moreno should never get a look-in as long as this guy is in this form. Gomez did well too. Maybe in the full-back areas, we’ll be okay, after all! Robertson, Clyne, Trent, Gomez, Milner. It’s in the middle where we still clearly need to strengthen, despite Klopp’s protestations to the contrary.

 

Up front yesterday, we were less than convincing. The margins are fine and we could have destroyed them on another day. Matip scores from that early chance and it’s a totally different game. But it’s no longer a time for “what ifs?” and “could haves”. We are going to rely a lot on Mané, the real “difference-maker” in this team. Add Salah and Firmino and we’ll score a ton (maybe literally!).

 

But can we keep them fit? They’re going to be called on a lot this season for two reasons: Adam is out for another two months and if Sturridge plays any more than 30 games it will be a bonus. Oh and Coutinho is going to have a strop on him. In addition to that, this team has a disproportionate overreliance on the attack, given the defensive frailties. That added pressure on our front men to score goals means that resting them is a luxury we can’t afford.

 

We’ll probably play over 60 games this season. Do you trust this lot to keep many more clean sheets? Do you think we can keep enough players fit? Do you think our front men can keep producing, every three or four days? Simply put, do you TRUST this manager and this team? I don’t. Yet? Any more? I just don’t know which adverb to choose.

 

Still, at least we’re guaranteed a trip to Wembley this season.

 

John Brennan

@JohnAPBrennan


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As long as you think the Internet is about 'wining' you'll always be the biggest loser on here.

 

Aw bless, you seem upset. Again. No change then. Just so you know, I dont give a fuck whether you think Im a winner or loser but if you want to take a net forum so seriously, knock yourself out.

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Aw bless, you seem upset. Again. No change then. Just so you know, I dont give a fuck whether you think Im a winner or loser but if you want to take a net forum so seriously, knock yourself out.

I couldn't give a fuck.

 

It wasn't me that tried claiming they'd 'won' on the Internet they so care little about.

 

I post my views, I couldn't give a flying fuck if others agree or not.

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I couldn't give a fuck.

 

It wasn't me that tried claiming they'd 'won' on the Internet they so care little about.

 

I post my views, I couldn't give a flying fuck if others agree or not.

 

Hahaha. Love it how you're getting seriously carried away by a comment on an internet forum. Clearly you do give a fuck.

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There seems to be a small groundswell of opinion forming that Jurgen is not capable of fixing the defensive issues. Is that a fair assessment?

He's not done a great job as yet has he?

 

I'd reserve judgement until he's signed the defenders he wants though.

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He's not done a great job as yet has he?

 

I'd reserve judgement until he's signed the defenders he wants though.

 

I can't say he has, no.

 

I have more faith he can fix it than the OP and agree about reserving judgement. 

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He likely cant win. Fixes the defence and very probably that will come at the expense of not being so attacking. People will think we should be playing with a real madrid like swagger while not conceeding.

 

As carragher says, you could put franco baresi in our defence but if he's exposed, we're still shipping goals. It needs a different mindset through the team which would result in a more cautious approach.

 

Id happily see our fullbacks defending instead of being expected to push on all the time.

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Full judgement will come at the end of the season.

 

Everyone can give their opinion on where we are at any given time. I don't think this guy has got what it takes, that's all.

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Full judgement will come at the end of the season.

 

Everyone can give their opinion on where we are at any given time. I don't think this guy has got what it takes, that's all.

 

That's the way it should be.

 

Can't say I agree with everything you wrote, but, I've written the square root of fuck all! So first off, thanks for that. 

 

I agree over the full backs, surprised by both Robertson and Gomez, and I thought Matip played well - basically he seems to be less nervous alongside Klavan - although that is probably my confirmation bias in action there. 

 

I do think VVD and a centre mid will make a world of difference - because TAA, Robertson and Solanke look like they'll contribute this season as well. 

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That was actually positive for me!

 

Anyhow, if you can answer "Yes" to the three questions at the end, you've got more faith than me.

 

We'll see how much success the season brings.

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That was actually positive for me!

 

Anyhow, if you can answer "Yes" to the three questions at the end, you've got more faith than me.

 

We'll see how much success the season brings.

Do you trust this lot to keep many more clean sheets?

We have kept 6 clean sheets in our past 8 league games, so yes, I do.

 

Do you think we can keep enough players fit?

Fit enough for what exactly? On Saturday we had 3 1st choice players injured and rested 5 and still won relatively easily against a bogey team.

 

Do you think our front men can keep producing, every three or four days? Well Coutinho can play in a front 3, Solanke looks a find and Salah didnt start on Saturday so I think we will score a lot of goals.

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He likely cant win. Fixes the defence and very probably that will come at the expense of not being so attacking. People will think we should be playing with a real madrid like swagger while not conceeding.

 

As carragher says, you could put franco baresi in our defence but if he's exposed, we're still shipping goals. It needs a different mindset through the team which would result in a more cautious approach.

 

Id happily see our fullbacks defending instead of being expected to push on all the time.

I disagree with Carra and that we need a different mindset.

We concede an awfully lot of shit goals from set pieces - thems are the facts. A better goalkeeper and a centre half who can organise a defence would help immensely, as would better coaching.

On the occasions we are opened up through midfield, which happens to every team, a couple of better midfield players would help with this. Someone like Keita to replace Wijnaldum as the box to box player, who can create as well as winning the ball. Then someone to replace Henderson who has more of a brain.

 

We would still maybe not concede the least goals, but we'd concede a fair few less and probably score more too.

That is what is so fricking annoying about this transfer window eh? Klopp has clearly identified two of the issues he needed to solve and earmarked two ideal players but we haven't got them over the line.

 

Obviously I think he could still do better with coaching set pieces, and also the team could be a little smarter at playing on the counter attack at times, as Mane & Salah are capable of being devastating on the break even if we are playing more defensively.

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We can debate clean sheets and goals scored and everything under the sun but fact is our season almost collapsed last year around the winter period as injuries and what seemed like a bit of burnout took hold.

 

We rallied back and scraped 4th by a point or two was it?

 

With the added pressure of CL this year another period like last year with injuries and we'll do extremely well to finish 4th. There is nothing pessimistic about that. Its a realisitic viewpoint based on experience of seeing teams struggle with increased workloads and smaller injury prone squads.

 

All that being said we could get incredibly lucky injury wise and we might have a more tailored training regime this year that sees less fatigue during the winter period. But I'm not counting on us being lucky injury wise.

 

2/3 new faces before the window ends though changes the dynamic completely. Again not counting on it.

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We kept a clean sheet and Lovren didn't play,anybody see a connection? I think Lovren is a large part of the problem as his nervousness transmits into the rest of the back line,and keeper. Oh,and a reasonably decent DM would help this team a lot.

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