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Is it safe to come out yet? - by John Brennan

Is it safe to come out? Not in the Elton John way, mind. I needed a break from the madness of the transfer window. I’m just delighted that we can get back to the footy now. None of those close season highs in anticipation of a big signing and lows when we didn’t land our man. No, Klopp’s Reds are the very model of sanity, in no way intent on playing with our emotions and blood pressure. Snarky enough?

Anyway, the transfer window? Or “That’s the transfer window!” as Klopp will probably shout to the Main Stand if AOC – or whatever we’re calling him (and frankly, who cares?) – scores. Forgive me for using the conjunction “if”, rather than “when”, but NINE goals in 129 League games over SIX seasons will tend to make you sceptical. Another injury-prone player? For £35m? To add to competition for places with Hendo, Milner (our “new midfielder”, remember), Can, Wijnaldum, Lallana, Mané, Salah and Coutinho. Just what we needed!

 

Apologies for the cynicism. No, really. When Can is moved back to centre-half and when our “new midfielder” goes back to left-back due to the inadequacies of our defence, Chamberlain may well come in handy. I can’t wait to hear Klopp justifying this signing! There are those who’ll say it wasn’t a last-minute thing as he’s been linked with us all summer. But who hasn’t been linked with us since FSG got here? Nobody, that’s who.

 

It smacks of an “appeasement” signing to keep us in line. You got Salah. You got Chamberlain. We KEPT Coutinho, fending off the might of Barça. Hell, we even got you Robertson from Hull. Now, do please shut up!

 

I wrote the above on the first weekend of the international break, got side-tracked (think Moreno) and have just found the time now to come back to things. I could talk about us whacking Arsenal, but where’s the fun in that? We were good; they made us look great. Which goes to show that even Arsenal are capable of pulling the wool over Reds’ eyes. Klopp managed to keep his mouth shut for most of the ten days, which in itself is a miracle. Thing is, with him, you know that his next outpouring of verbiage is never far away.

 

Citeh? I’ve said in previous pieces that this team would sometimes need to score four to win. I thought that was reasonable enough! But never five. As for six… There were mitigating circumstances, of course. It’s hard enough playing City with 11 on the park. Try doing it with six. Oh sorry, you thought I was going to count our back four?! There’s no shame in losing to City; the shame is the way we packed it in. so the players obviously have to take responsibility. As does the “Boss”.

 

When anyone dares criticize him, of course, Kloppites trot out the same old “arguments”: “Would you prefer to go back to the 6-1 hammerings at Stoke?” (well, at least we scored that day); “I’d prefer this to those drab days under GH and Rafa.” (yeah, winning all those troffies and trophies, pffff, much over-rated). The reason we are in this mess and that we won’t win anything this season is the fault of the Board and Klopp.

 

In seventy-two League games, his teams have conceded 90 goals. NINETY!!! Seventy-two games is surely enough to realize there’s a problem and more importantly to try to fix it! Up front, this guy has a Plan A, B, C, D and E. There is literally a dozen combinations he has at his disposal and he deserves credit for that.

 

But at the back his Plan A is, at the very best, Clyne, Matip, Lovren and Milner. One of those is injured, the other is average at best, the other is a liability – literally, he’ll cost us 10 goals this season – and the other is our “new midfielder”. If Lovren or Matip get injured, Klavan can slot in! This is negligence on Klopp’s and the Club’s part. But woe betide you if you dare criticize him.

 

That’s the thing with the Cheerleader-in-Chief. Nothing sticks. Get beaten 5-0 at City? He has a built-in excuse with Mané’s sending-off. It would be cynical to suggest that was why he made such a big deal out of it, of course. Concede three at Watford? It wasn’t “that bad” and “too much was made of our defending”. Score on the counter-attack? Shout “That’s football!” at the crowd in a self-congratulatory manner. He’s above us all, isn’t he? The defence is just the on-field manifestation of this guy’s arrogance.

 

We can score at will and we’ll probably score over 100 goals this season. It’s the 14th of September and we’ve already got 16! Thing is, we’ve conceded 13. In seven games, we’ve conceded two or more in four of them (1 W, 2 D and 1 L). Even with our front men, we can’t continue taking on water. How can we expect them to score THREE or FOUR week-in, week-out and still not be guaranteed the win?

 

Lack of signings and an obvious inability to find answers to our numerous defensive problems are compromising any chance of success this season. We’ve got to get to January with these defenders: 23 more games in all, 17 in the League. By which stage we will have conceded another 30-35 goals. And put paid to another season.

 

But we have Oxlade-Chamberlain!

 

John Brennan

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I think you have to cut him some slack when it comes to the fans stuff.

 

He is from a place with a totally different fan culture and he would have beem fed the myth of the Anfield atmosphere as well.

 

All those years at Dortmund and in Germany generally and it must take a while to get used to how different it is here and be quite a shock to come here and experience something so far removed from what he had in Dortmund.

 

 

I'm cutting him plenty of slack.  I'm saying it works both ways.  That's fair.

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I didn’t read the article, because I already know what it says. I’m not really sure why one sided views are given quite so much prevalence, but it has nothing to do with me what gets put up.

 

I can’t remember seeing an article before the City match when we looked particularly strong. Maybe I’m wrong about that, as I normally give the OP’s articles a swerve. If not, it smacks of kicking while their down and hiding when they’re up.

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It's a discussion forum - the whole point of articles is to generate and engage people in discussion.

 

Agreeing and disagreeing in part and/or in full is all a part of it...without differing opinions, without differing views and discussion of those differing opinions and counter points being made etc this place at best becomes an echo chamber and at worse dies.

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I disagree with the article in the main.

I think the tone is a bit silly, a bit woe is me and self indulgent, and as a few have said it's snide.

I also think it's poorly written, for my tastes, it's too jarring and too punctuated.

But johnb has every right to write it and express his own feelings, just as people have a right to reply.

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There can't be many people who don't share doubts that Klopp will be able to sort the team front to back.  It's a very difficult trick he's trying to pull.  He isn't about to compromise on his high pressing, high tempo, fluid attacking game.  Which then puts the onus on the midfield to both contribute offensively by learning to play the ball forwards quickly, creatively and with accuracy, and to be mobile without the ball to cover lots of space and decisive in winning the ball back.  Pushing the fullbacks forward inevitably leaves the central defenders more exposed with a wider area to cover.  

 

The CBs really need to understand each other's game so that they can anticipate each other's role and position in defensive situations.  When we lose possession high up the pitch, it should be the central midfielders who track back supporting the CBs and covering the runners, as invariably at least one of the fullbacks will have more distance to cover. You can argue (as I do) that we don't have the players to play this sort of game, and this is exacerbated by the lack of understanding between any combination of CBs we choose to field. 

 

So, given that Klopp is reluctant to compromise,  until the player situation changes, we will be vulnerable and liable to lose games we should win.  Lallana coming back will help, in that he is incredibly hard working all over the pitch, is creative, will lead the press more effectively, and retains the ball in the midfield and in our own half under pressure better than any other player we have. But it won't fix the big problems we have in defence and midfield.

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There can't be many people who don't share doubts that Klopp will be able to sort the team front to back.  It's a very difficult trick he's trying to pull.  He isn't about to compromise on his high pressing, high tempo, fluid attacking game.  Which then puts the onus on the midfield to both contribute offensively by learning to play the ball forwards quickly, creatively and with accuracy, and to be mobile without the ball to cover lots of space and decisive in winning the ball back.  Pushing the fullbacks forward inevitably leaves the central defenders more exposed with a wider area to cover.  

 

The CBs really need to understand each other's game so that they can anticipate each other's role and position in defensive situations.  When we lose possession high up the pitch, it should be the central midfielders who track back supporting the CBs and covering the runners, as invariably at least one of the fullbacks will have more distance to cover. You can argue (as I do) that we don't have the players to play this sort of game, and this is exacerbated by the lack of understanding between any combination of CBs we choose to field. 

 

So, given that Klopp is reluctant to compromise,  until the player situation changes, we will be vulnerable and liable to lose games we should win.  Lallana coming back will help, in that he is incredibly hard working all over the pitch, is creative, will lead the press more effectively, and retains the ball in the midfield and in our own half under pressure better than any other player we have. But it won't fix the big problems we have in defence and midfield.

 

 

Weaved Lallana in nicely there, Stringy.

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Quality control? Well given that it was a superbly written piece regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the opinion being expressed, i can only assume by quality control you mean that I should only be publishing articles that you agree with?

 

 

If you wouldn't mind.

 

Seriously, though, I agree with Moo's post. All of it. I don't think it was a particularly well written piece at all, and it was extremely self-indulgent. But each to their own and all that.

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The concerns about the defence and the need of another signing or two are obvious points that practically everyone has made. It's the snide stuff against the manager that rankles with me, as well as the lack of fairness about the progress the team as a whole is making under Klopp, as evidenced by CL qualification when 6th-8th was becoming the norm. It seems unsporting to me, and it's cheap to say stuff like "Cheerleader in Chief."

Spot on

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If you wouldn't mind.

 

Seriously, though, I agree with Moo's post. All of it. I don't think it was a particularly well written piece at all, and it was extremely self-indulgent. But each to their own and all that.

Agreed. Terribly written, self indulgent, Jamie Kanwar-esque crap.

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Quality control? Well given that it was a superbly written piece.....

 

No, no it "isn't." Mainly!!! because "he" has used up a "year's" (!!!) supply of "quotation" marks and exclamation points!!!! in a single "article".

 

It's barely literate and I worry if you think it is "superbly written" (!)

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The concerns about the defence and the need of another signing or two are obvious points that practically everyone has made. It's the snide stuff against the manager that rankles with me, as well as the lack of fairness about the progress the team as a whole is making under Klopp, as evidenced by CL qualification when 6th-8th was becoming the norm. It seems unsporting to me, and it's cheap to say stuff like "Cheerleader in Chief."

 

Austrian Dressage Pony was my particular favourite !

I don't believe people have lost faith in Klopp but wrapping him in cotton wool is not the answer, He deserves to be criticised , not abused, for his failure to deal with the defence in just the same way he gets praise for bring in players like Mane and now Salah,  telling us we have 2 good keepers and individual defenders are not the problem flies in the face of reality and as I said earlier I want him to cut this out , We will never make real progress as a team until we stop opponents scoring at will. Finishing 4th last season by the skin of our teeth was the very least that could be expected given we had no European commitments and made little showing in the domestic cups  

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Was I having a pop at you ?  In fact my post complimented yours, 

No offence intended 

 

Yeah - my bad. It is so frustrating. I've always been of the opinion that you sort the base out first.

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Flaws or not I still think we're a very good team and a on a good path with a top class manager.

 

All it is for me.

 

we have a very good team and manager but I think we're most likely on the path to 5th/6th and back to Euro for next season. That's going backwards.

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we have a very good team and manager but I think we're most likely on the path to 5th/6th and back to Euro for next season. That's going backwards.

 

I don't think we are personally. And if we do then so be it. We could finish 5th with 77 points which would be more than we got last year. That isn't going backwards. 

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I don't think we are personally. And if we do then so be it. We could finish 5th with 77 points which would be more than we got last year. That isn't going backwards.

 

Finishing out of the CL is going backwards. Even by FSG's standards.

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