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What's happening in Gaza is criminal, ethnic cleansing. Genocide, if you will. It will lead to a rise in anti-semitism, create the next Hamas, and plunge the world into a further cycle of hatred. There, happy? You're still a cunt though.

It was necessary to make my point. Last night I was the one sticking to the thread title and providing up to date information of what's going on. Israel thread, protests in Tel Aviv. I not only explained the reasons for the protests (although the reasons vary between factions) I provided the evidence. When the evidence was questioned after the Azil tweet (who's one of the most prominent lawyers in this country) I posted it again to point to ridiculousness of the person speading false information. I'd have thought when another poster (Cloggypops) sealed the deal once and for all with a link to the BBC the nonsense may have stopped but alas. You in contrast had a dig at me but not at the poster derailing the thread with his bullshit which was obviously not correct. Unless you also believe the Tel Aviv protests were from last year then I can give you another dozen or so links I note the last time you entered this thread was to rep a poster who had a dig at me. Maybe that's just a coincidence, maybe it's not. I haven't heard any of your own veiws on the thread title and Israeli operations in Gaza but then what you choose to post and choose not to post is up to you. I'd be grateful if you understood the same applies to me. In my opinion this is another case of playing the man not the ball. Otherwise i dont want to sound glib but if a few on topic links really are too much for you to take I can only suggest you use the ignore button.

Srebrenica, Bhutan, Gaza, Darfur….. it goes on and on and it will only get worse.

Certainly Trump has done some thinking in the 4 years since his plan was unveiled. Yesterday: Asked what his message to Netanyahu would be, Trump said, “I think you have to finish it up, and do it quickly and get back to the world of peace.” Trump said if he were reelected in November, he would end the war between Russia and Ukraine even before being sworn in in January 2025, and would also bring “peace in the Middle East,” recalling his success in brokering the Abraham Accords, which saw the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan agree to normalize ties with Israel. (AP Photo/ Mike Stewart, File) Former US president and presumptive Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said Sunday that he would tell Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to finish the war against Hamas in Gaza “quickly and get back to the world of peace” if he won the election in November. Netanyahu has insisted that Israel is not far from completing the war and would be weeks away from doing so once it completes its still-yet-to-be-launched operation to dismantle the terror group’s remaining battalions in the southern Gaza city of Rafah. Trump did not go as far as to call for a ceasefire in the Strip, but his remarks in an interview to Fox News are the second time this month that the former president has hinted at discomfort with Israel’s ongoing war against Hamas. Asked what his message to Netanyahu would be, Trump said, “I think you have to finish it up, and do it quickly and get back to the world of peace.” Trump said if he were reelected in November, he would end the war between Russia and Ukraine even before being sworn in in January 2025, and would also bring “peace in the Middle East,” recalling his success in brokering the Abraham Accords, which saw the UAE, Bahrain, Morocco, and Sudan agree to normalize ties with Israel. Trump added that Israel must “finish the problem.” The former president also criticized Jerusalem for seeking to maintain relations with the Democratic Party. “The Democrats are very bad for Israel. Israel sticks with them. I guess Israel’s loyal — maybe to a fault — because they stick with these guys,” he said in relation to Chuck Schumer’s speech last week in which he called on Israel to hold elections to replace Netanyahu. “If [Biden] were a supporter of Israel, the Iran nuclear deal would have never been signed, and Israel would have never been attacked,” Trump added, referring to the accord that was signed in 2015 when Biden was vice president. Returning to Schumer’s remarks, Trump recalled that Israel “lost a lot of people on October 7. People have to remember that.”

Tens of thousands of Israelis rally in Tel Aviv demanding Gaza hostage deal https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68754109

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/48675-british-attitudes-to-the-israel-gaza-conflict-february-2024-update British attitudes to the Israel-Gaza conflict: February 2024 update Matthew SmithHead of Data Journalism February 15, 2024, 12:39 PM GMT+0 The public are more likely to support a ceasefire, and less likely to sympathise with Israel More than four months after the 7 October Hamas attacks on Israel, the conflict in Gaza continues without sign of abating. YouGov last looked at public attitudes towards the conflict in detail in November – now a new survey sees how, if at all, opinion has changed. Desire for a ceasefire has grown Last week, Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejected Hamas’ latest offer for a ceasefire, branding it “delusional”. Now, with Israel on the cusp of a new offensive into the city of Rafah – a move which foreign secretary David Cameron has described as “deeply concerning” – public desire for Israel to stop and call a ceasefire stands at 66%, up from 59% in our November poll. Two thirds of Britons (66%) likewise say that Israel should be prepared to enter into peace negotiations with Hamas, up five points since November. Only 13% think Israel should continue to take military action (down six points), and there has likewise been a five point decrease in the number of people who say that Israel’s attack on Gaza is justified, down to 24%. Britons are now more likely to say they most sympathise with the Palestinian side When asked which side they sympathise with more, the British public are now more likely to answer ‘the Palestinian side’ than they were before the conflict began. In our latest poll, 28% say they sympathise most with the Palestinians, compared to 23% in our pre-conflict poll in May 2023 and 15% immediately following the Hamas attacks in Israel. Sympathies for the Palestinian side of the Middle East conflict are now higher than they were before the latest round of fighting Which side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict do you sympathise with more? % Jun2023JulAugSepOctNovDecJan2024Feb02040 The Israeli side The Palestinian side Both sides equally Don't know 1 1 7 Oct - Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel Latest data: 12-13 February 2024 Get the data This is matched by a decrease in the number of people saying that they sympathise with ‘both sides equally’, now 22% compared to 31% in late November. The number siding most with the Israelis remains largely unchanged, at 16% compared to 18% in November. When asked how much they sympathise with each side individually, the number saying they sympathise with the Israelis “a great deal” has fallen seven points since November to 18%, matched by a five point increase in “don’t sympathise at all”. There is a less obvious trend for the Palestinian side, with a seven point decrease in the number saying they sympathise “somewhat” (to 27%) and a four point increase in the proportion answering “don’t know”. On a separate question asking whether people can understand the attitudes that Israelis and Palestinians have towards the conflict, we see a similar trend. The proportion of Britons who say they can understand Israeli attitudes has fallen eight points to 47%, with a four point increase in the number who say they cannot understand the Israeli mindset (to 25%). When it comes to Palestinian attitudes, there has been a five point decline in the number who feel they can understand them, to 52%, although this movement is almost entirely to don’t know (up four points to 29%). Belief in the possibility of a permanent peace settlement has grown While the current conflict drags on, diplomats have started to talk about a more permanent resolution to the wider war. David Cameron has floated the possibility of UK recognition of a Palestinian state as part of peace negotiations, while the UAE – a key regional player – has made it clear that the current conflict must lead to a resolution of the entire war and the establishment of a Palestinian state. Among the public, belief that a permanent peace deal within the decade is possible has ticked up five points to 32%. Nevertheless, more still think a permanent peace deal within ten years is not a realistic prospect, at 39% – although this is down from 45%. A two-state solution remains by far the most preferred outcome to the Israel-Palestine conflict There has been no change in attitudes towards any of the potential resolutions for the conflict that we asked about. Two thirds of Britons (65%) say they support a two-state solution, where independent Israeli and Palestinian states exist alongside each other. By contrast, only 24% support a one-state solution, which would see a single state including both Israelis and Palestinians. And few support the status quo (8%) or expelling one side or the other from the region (5-6%). See the full results here

Reminiscing over the heady days of the now quietly dropped 'Israel has the right to defend itself' which every politician and news commentator made sure they mentioned in every single interview, to stifle any form of criticism of Israels actions. Published on this goons social media page yesterday. University of Gaza before Israel blew it up 'defending itself'

I'm not sure what thats got to do with my post on the vote the other week on Gaza and those events in Westminster where politicians were apparently fearing for their lives. All very odd, but if you insist on me commenting on every piece of Starmer news that hits the papers I'd say his recent statement on the subject was welcome, as was Lammys. Hopefully the penny has dropped but we'll see. As for ths Labour members, that's their choice, good for them and good for Starmer. I'd have thought me giving the polls on a support for a stricter line on Israel would have been more relevant to my post and I didn't comment on them either. Anyway And as for Bentley Bruce, I thought the cretin made a great play of putting me on ignore.

Correct, Sarah. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/14/benjamin-netanyahu-palestinians-evacuate-ethnic-cleansing Netanyahu told 1.1 million Palestinians they had 24 hours to evacuate. What is that if not ethnic cleansing? | Sarah Helm www.theguardian.com The Israeli government’s demand that more than one million Palestinians leave their homes in northern Gaza and flee south has horrific echoes of the past. I worked as a journalist in the region in the 1990s, and in recent years I have spent a great deal of time in Gaza and Israel, researching the history of Gaza’s 2.3 million refugees. Almost everyone in Gaza is a refugee from one of 200 Arab villages, then in southern Palestine, that were destroyed by Israeli forces in 1948 when the Jewish state came into being. What remains of some of these villages lies within 10 miles of the Gaza boundary. Some refugees can even see their land through the fence. The first phase of Israel’s revenge for Hamas’s atrocities – the intense aerial bombardment of the past few days – was easy to predict. Every innocent Palestinian in Gaza was bound to pay the appalling price, and thousands already have. However, I did not predict that this time the west would not only let it happen – as it has several times before – but cheer Israel on, sending arms and effectively promising impunity from international law, abandoning the Palestinians to their plight. With the green light from Israel’s allies, prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared on Friday that 1.1 million Gazans were to be “evacuated” from the north to the south of Gaza. Netanyahu wants us to believe his prime concern is to keep civilians out of danger during the expected ground invasion from the north, which is presumably how he plans to finally “crush” Hamas. Such empty claims – at the time of writing, 1,800 Palestinians have already been killed – are made in the hope of immunising Israel against accusations of war crimes. Driving one million people south will cause ever more horror, and we all know by now that there is no safe place for civilians to flee to or to shelter. Drone footage shows convoys of Palestinians leaving northern Gaza – video When Israeli forces “cleansed” the nearby villages in 1948, the process started with the same psychological warfare we see today, warnings to flee, the dropping of leaflets, and threats of what might happen if they didn’t. Villages were generally shelled before ground troops went in; many civilians were killed, and there were massacres. The village was usually surrounded, with one exit left open for Palestinians to flee through. Survivors eventually went to the Gaza Strip, as it was deemed a safe area. United Nations Resolution 194, passed in December 1948, granted them a right to return. Israel refused. If Netanyahu’s continues with his “evacuation” plan, history and events on the ground tell us that after the warnings and bombings we are already seeing, the refugees will flee, as they did in 1948. The one potential exit for them is into Egypt. Although Egypt is strongly opposed to accepting refugees, knowing it would be collaborating in permanent ethnic cleansing, this could change if the humanitarian crisis at its borders escalates. If Gazans do indeed flood over into the Sinai, they may not be allowed back. The risks for Netanyahu are huge, not least because of the Israeli hostages inside Gaza. But given that his political future looks almost certainly over anyway, he may calculate that he has nothing to lose. And the Israeli right has long pressed for expelling Gaza’s population into the Sinai. In other words, should the west and other influential actors not move to halt this “evacuation”, a process of ethnic cleansing could be under way, bringing with it the risks of a regional conflagration. As with Israel’s expulsions in 1948, today’s leadership will then project a narrative saying that there is no safe future for Israel unless the entire population of Gaza is permanently expelled. Negotiation will then begin about whether the refugees have a right to return to Gaza, which was already a place of exile. This scenario may sound overly apocalyptic, but as Palestinian refugees know only too well, it is not. Israel has long hoped that the story of its ethnic cleansing of Palestinian villages of 1948 would be forgotten. From the first days of the 1948 flight, Israel devised its own narrative of those events, claiming the Palestinians fled under orders of the Arab leadership. When they tried to return to their villages after the war, they were labelled “infiltrators” and then “terrorists”. Since Israel and Egypt blockaded Gaza in 2006-7, cutting it off from the world, Israel has seen reason to hope that the story of 1948 would remain hidden, too. Archives have been blocked, and the last remains of villages destroyed. But many Gazans today not only remember 1948, but feel as if they are back in it. I have spoken to friends inside the strip who say they are determined not to be uprooted a second time, and that they would rather stay put in their houses and die there. “I will not move. I will be killed in my house with my family,” one mother, Adalah, who lives in central Gaza, told me. Their house sits on the beach with a view out to sea, where Israeli gunboats patrol. Adalah told me she had gathered all her family in the house so they could die together. Sarah Helm is a former Middle East correspondent and diplomatic editor of the Independent Do you have an opinion on the issues raised in this article? If you would like to submit a response of up to 300 words by email to be considered for publication in our letters section, please click here.

Walls come tumbling down. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/05/un-human-rights-council-israel-gaza-biden-netanyahu

Doesn't look very "transparent" to me. https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gaza-journalists-foreign-correspondents-israel-egypt-access/ https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68423995 https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/02/gaza-un-experts-condemn-killing-and-silencing-journalists

The games up. Shame it's taken so long but those who tried to make excuses for Israel and our politicans instead of speaking out against this genocide must now feel the shame. Intresting poll here showing very little support for Israel and the selling of arms to Israel, even amongst tory voters. The poll was taken before the deaths of the aid workers by Israel in Gaza. So that's only going to go one way. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/03/majority-of-voters-in-uk-back-banning-arm-sales-to-israel-poll-finds A letter from prominent lawyers and judges calling for the government to stop selling arms to Israel because of the risk of genocide. MPs of all parties and prominent political commentators furiously backtracking on previous support for Israel. Angela Eagle being just one. James OBrein another. Condescending twat but he's bang on the money here. Which made the Vids uploaded onto twitter even more important to those seeking truth away from the official IDF nonsense.

Quite a lengthy article which I haven’t read in full yet. But, this bit in the introduction shows what sociopathic murdering cunts they really are and puts an end to the claims that we already knew were bullshit anyway - that the IDF try to keep civilian casualties at a minimum. “In an unprecedented move, according to two of the sources, the army also decided during the first weeks of the war that, for every junior Hamas operative that Lavender marked, it was permissible to kill up to 15 or 20 civilians; in the past, the military did not authorize any “collateral damage” during assassinations of low-ranking militants. The sources added that, in the event that the target was a senior Hamas official with the rank of battalion or brigade commander, the army on several occasions authorized the killing of more than 100 civilians in the assassination of a single commander.“ https://www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/

Ah my old mate Slipper, one of Israels biggest cheerleaders. Saw his name and thought he might come on to show a little humility for being totally and truly wrong this past 6 months but alas seems i overestimated the clown. Instead it's another pointlessly stupid post attacking another poster. Anyone want to gain his thoughts on the 3 dead British citizens? On second thoughts please don't. While I'm on the subject of idiots, Richard Madeley. Oh how quickly gravity takes control and the reality of truth brings it all crashing down to earth. Even those on national TV who've spent the past six months putting a buffer in front of the atrocities being committed in Gaza have woken and realised supporting Israel will now just make them look ridiculous. Whats imo intresting here is that they've totally ignored the official explanations by Israel and declared yesterday's actions a deliberate war crime committed by Israel. Which is how they should have approached Israeli words from day one. This morning GMB. In fairness Maguires no mug and as an experienced journalist he's been fairly consistent in his criticism of Israel. One last point. If the polls were correct and around 76% wanted an immediate ceasefire before, public opinion is now only going to go one way. Maguire is right, attitudes to Israel by our politicans must change. We cannot have a state such a Israel being gaining interference in our politics.

Ah good old Al Jazzera. They're excellent. Imo the best tv and Internet content on this war. They haven't a lot of opposition of course because almost all other mainstream journalists are banned, as you know. Al Jazzera regularly post reports from Gaza on twitter. Unfortunately the reports are soon be more infrequent. I'd have rather you put the link to the whole article rather than just a snippet but not to worry. I could reply if I wanted to read from Al Jazzera I'd go on Al Jazzera but even if I didn't like the source I'd simply scroll past it. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/01/al-jazeera-faces-security-threat-ban-after-israel-passes-new-law-benjamin-netanyahu Not sure the goal of those wanting even more information suppression to be honest. Inadvertently doing the work of Israeli security imo. In a fast moving war situation those on the ground will use and upload on whatever platform of information available. If that's uncomfortable for some then that's a problem for them. Others can of course (as you have above) put up their own links or information or relevant information/opinion from whatever source they see fit. Or share their own views. Not up to me, I couldn't care less or they can use the ignore button.

Very thin line though between what some call Spam. Sometimes the Spam slur is used as a discreet form of censorship. An excuse. Did posters complain on the Ukrainian thread over pictures of the Russians bombing that hospital. How many of those complaining on the members forum about this thread complained over the SaaS Australian military man's Facebook posts? I certainly didn't but then I enjoyed them, if I did think they were 'spam' I'd have just ignored them. The various links from various posters didn't stop people voicing outrage over there. Maybe some shout 'spam' because they are uncomfortable with the content? Easier to hit the poster block button then make a point of telling everyone you've blocked them? Or maybe it's just me being cynical. Anubis makes a good point over how information gets out. Without twitter most of it wouldn't. Which as Sky's Alex Crawford says below is what Israel wants. https://x.com/AlexCrawfordSky/status/1732053157302116802?s=20 Journalists are literally giving their lives to show the world what's going on in Gaza. https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/blog/2024-01-18/the-killing-of-journalists-in-gaza-is-an-unprecedented-attack-on-the-truth https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/21/israels-war-on-gaza-deadliest-in-modern-history-for-journalists-says-cpj Obviously some unverified/untrue nonsense will slip through but on the whole the most accurate information from Gaza has been platformed on twitter by lone amateur journalists on the ground. They really are the bravest of the brave. I know I've linked it before but they've been bringing us quality journalism like below. They should be revered.

Whats your fucking problem? Yeah and I'm relaying them onto the Israeli thread as it's an ongoing situation as I explained earlier. It's why even the CNN link gets continually updated . Its why CNN also use Twitter You're a journalist are you not, so your 'stick it all in one post' quip was particularly fucking stupid on a story such as this. We've only recently found out three brits were amongst the dead for one. You understand journalists are banned from Gaza and Twitter is a lifeline to get information out? Or is the content that makes you feel uncomfortable? Anyway I've given my veiws on the situation named at the top of the thread. You've rarely given yours and when you have it's been to meekly to follow whatever the party line was at whatever given time. Do you believe we should stop selling arms to Israel? Who knows. Do you believe we should cut off ties? Who knows. Do you believe Labour freinds of Israel should now be disbanded who knows? Did you believe Labour took the right stance back when it became apparent the horrors which were unfolding? You've made 2 posts today on this thread without offering one single veiw. Just sly attacks on other posters. Same with the Reeves/Thatcher shit the other night, you didn't give an opinion on her speech then. I've been consistent in my stance, it's in my opinion been proved 100% correct and I make no apologies to the content I've posted to back up that point. Many from Palestinians on the ground. What about you? Or is it the content that so irks you? Anyway you've got a ignore button at your disposal as iI will NOT stop showing posts which show the absolute horror of war unless I'm banned. These people deserve to be heard. The suffering needs to be seen.

In defence of the the SNP they've tabled a motion on Gaza before and Stephen Flynn often leads with questions on Gaza. The SNP leader in Scotland had family stuck in Gaza. This motion has been penciled in for weeks. It was an SNP motion and protocol says it should have been heard, and heard first. Today's vote/motion wasn't a secret.

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer says the deaths of three British aid workers, killed in last night's Israeli air strike in Gaza, are "outrageous and unacceptable". Starmer calls for international law to be upheld, saying that "we condemn this strike" and there must be "a full investigation and those responsible must be held to account". "Humanitarian workers put their lives in danger to serve others," he says, and calls for the war to "stop now". "Far too many innocent people have died in this conflict and more than a million are facing starvation."

up to date accurate information https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-04-02-24/index.html

someone definitely does. China has condemned a deadly strike on Iran's consulate in Syria, which Tehran blamed on Israel. Iran has vowed to retaliate after the bombing, which is a deadly escalation of regional tensions over the war in Gaza that has appeared to raise the risk of a wider Middle Eastern conflict.

As I've said and any journalist should know its an ongoing situation. Where are they getting most of their information? Haven't you heard about journalists being banned from Gaza? Where would you get on the scene pictures like those showing aid workers in the post above? The only people who do not want them pictures out are the IDF. Why do you think they have they just banned Al Jazzera?

This Easter alone Israel has.. Bombed another country's embassy. Destroyed the largest medical complex in Gaza (anyone old enough to remember their was a debate on whether Israel bombed hospitals?). Bombed a tent containing UN aid workers. Banned all Al Jazzera TV production. Murdered five overseas aid workers.

THREE-STAGE TRUCE A senior Hamas official told Reuters the Gaza ceasefire proposal involved a three-stage truce, during which Hamas would release the remaining civilians among hostages captured on Oct. 7, then soldiers, and finally the bodies of dead hostages. The proposal followed talks in Paris involving intelligence chiefs from Israel, the U.S. and Egypt, with the prime minister of Qatar. Palestinians welcomed the possibility of a ceasefire but said fighting must end permanently. "Any ceasefire that doesn't end the war and return us to our homes in Gaza City and the north is not worth it," Ahmed, who fled his home in Gaza City for Rafah in the south, said by telephone. "We are exhausted." Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu repeated his vow not to pull troops out of Gaza until "total victory". Israel says it will not stop fighting until Hamas is eradicated. Hamas says it will release its remaining captives only as part of a wider deal to end the war permanently. The conflict has triggered concern of an escalation in an already tense region. So if there is a permanent ceasefire, negotiated between Israel and Hamas, what does that do to Israel's claims that the reason they are murdering these tens of thousands of innocent men women and children is to destroy Hamas completely?

Qatar and Egypt have been bringing proposals to Hamas political and military leaders. The United States has tried to draft broad proposals to restart the talks after they hit various roadblocks following an initial seven-day pause in November during which Hamas released about 100 hostages, mainly civilians. People familiar with the negotiations believe Hamas has issued new demands for a variety of reasons. On Feb. 28, Ismail Haniyeh, a Hamas political leader based in Qatar, called publicly for a march during Ramadan in Jerusalem at the Al Aqsa Mosque, known to Jews as the Temple Mount. Some officials believe Hamas’s military wing wants those protests to turn violent. Hamas may want to avoid a cease-fire deal for fear of being accused of breaking it if the protests become violent. Hamas, according to people briefed on the talks, believes an action at the mosque will show its strength despite the months long Israeli military campaign in Gaza and could increase pressure on Mr. Netanyahu to end the fighting. But Hamas may have made new demands during the negotiations for another reason. Last Thursday, Israeli forces opened fire in Gaza while a crowd had gathered near a long convoy of aid trucks. The chaotic scene led to more than 100 deaths. U.S. officials harshly criticized Israel’s handling of the convoy and its failure to provide security for desperate Palestinian people. Some officials briefed on the talks say Hamas leaders may believe the deaths around the humanitarian convoy have strengthened their position in the negotiations and weakened Israel’s international standing.