Andy G

I want to know at what age a woman stops becoming a slag. Most 40 year old women fit the bill as to much of the definitions put forward above. They will usually sleep with you on the first date, perhaps had a number of partners, they love sex etc., but they are not slags. So at what age do you go from Slag to Mature Woman?

I live in Germany. It would be a nightmare of they won it.

I live and work in Germany now and I love the banter with the Germans. Going to lunch today, the woman at the till was wearing a Croatian hat, I nearly pissed myself, but I know that it will have upset some. I have not said a word to anyone as I fear the worst, but if they do lose another game, I will be the most vocal of chucklers, they deserve it after the shit I have received for not qualifying.

Personally don't care who organises it, but would have thought it best coming from the HJC as they are there for Hillsborough related issues. RTK are for the improvement of atmosphere within Anfield and SOS are for the removal of Hicks and Gillette.

Or put someone up against him, so everything perfectly without any threats, quote 100% truths and challenge him to sue for libel for what we say about him. It should not be SOS though as their mandate is different.

I cannot believe that people are saying this was good. What fuckin' planet are you living on. This was way out of order and a dispicable thing to do. I hope people send you the same sort of photo's of your daughter, or better still, your son with a knob up his arse hopefully wearing a fuckin Everton shirt to really piss you off, fucking wankers. It would be no less than you deserve.

I have a problem with Hughes in so much as I don't hate him. I think he will do a good job there. I cannot see that it is much of a step up from Blackburn unless he has been given lots of money to spend, and as someone has said above, that could decide whether he takes over from Ferguson or not.

I can't believe the hatred towards Houllier. He was not perfect, and certainly went downhill after his illness, but he did nothing but his best and brought us some great times too. Where he failed was taking us the next step, and I think he was let down by some of the players, mainly Diouf, who was a big money signing but did not deliver. Of course the Mnaager must stand or fall by his decisions, and Houllier fell, but I see no need for hatred against a man that won a treble for us, and gave us our closest title challenge since Dalglish left in 1991, second place and just 7 points behind the Champions.

Bit pissed of with a few on here that think this subject is not important and post irrelevant shite instead. That is my problem though so if you are one of those people, I will get over it.

I would hope so. Thanks for the info. Just a suggestion but perhaps SOS should make a formal statement as to where the fundraising is going as although I am behing the cause, I have no idea where the Olympia money or the 'membership fees' go. That is why I have not yet contributed. I also want to know how much Anne needs for her legal fight (obviously not accurate figures availble at this time) and how much the HJC is putting forward for the fight for justice through Anne.

I understand that people may feel differently about that bit, which is why I made note of that. To me though, he was not capable of doing the job, and therefore it is his employers fault for putting him in that position (See the Cullen Report on the Piper Alpha for his conclusions on emergency management and the persoin in charge). It's a bit like everyone getting promoted until they become incompetent - we cannot all be good MD's and he got promoted to that level when peoples lives depended on it. He did terrible things that day, of course, but he has to live with that every day of his life and none of them were deliberate. The key thing though is that Anne Williams has the funding to carry on in her fight for justice. That is the only important thing now.

What is most important issue facing us as Liverpool supporters today? Manchester United has just won the League and European double. That really gets to me, and more so because they are now only one league title behind us and 2 European cups. With the RTK movement improving the atmosphere inside the ground and Raffa improving the quality of play on the pitch, I am not so concerned, and even if it does happen, all it means is that we are the second most successful team in England – it’s not as if we have gone bankrupt is it? Therefore, this pales into insignificance in comparison to the other issues that are ongoing today. Hicks and Gillette took over our club more than a year ago. They (Mainly Hicks) have consistently lied to us. They have put the club into debt (OK the stadium was expected but nothing more) which was against their initial promises, they have undermined our Manager and they have been playing games with us. They are here solely for the benefit of Hicks and Gillette and the long term danger to our club is there for all to see, especially on a weekend that Leeds failed to gain promotion back the Championship as if to remind us all what can happen with bad financial management. We have also had a reminder too from UEFA regarding clubs going too much into debt and although this is a proposed law change from UEFA, it does highlight the more sensible policies of some of the other nations. This; however, is still not the most important issue for the supporters. Leeds fans have dealt with their fete, and so would we. Perhaps, if it did happen, we would lose some of the idiots that follow our club. There is one issue though that is more important than any of the above. That is not to understate the importance of getting the right ownership and continued glory on the field of play. This issue is; of course, the fight for Justice. We cannot do anything to bring back the people who died at Hillsborough 19 years ago, but it is our duty to them, their families, other victims and the general public, that the truth about Hillsborough is not only on the statute, but is common knowledge. We need to find out what happened to our loved ones. We need those responsible to be identified – not just for the cause of the crush, but for the lack of services and emergency response in the aftermath. We need to expose the British Government and all its departments (including South Yorkshire Police) for their lies and corruption. We need to make responsible parties suffer for their wrongdoings and by this I don’t really mean Duckensfield and Murray – they have to live with what they did every day (although some may feel different there), but more those that acted deliberately such as McKenzie and The Sun, or those that have not been brought to book in any way such as SWFC and the FA. The 3:15 cut of time from the Coroner is a vital decision that has directly affected all of the above, and has been ignored in the British Courts. The reason it has been ignored in the British courts is not difficult to work out, firstly the ‘Authorities’ would be made culpable and secondly there would be a flood of claims from those who suffered as a result. That is why Kevin Williams’s case in the European courts is vital to us as we strive for justice. I am totally behind the HFSG, the HJC and Hope for Hillsborough, and the reasons for any ‘splits’ that there have been I am neither party to nor care about (everybody deals with things in their own way), but unless I do not have all the facts Kevin Williams case is of key importance to all the families as it is the one that fits nowhere in the official explanations to date, and therefore proves them totally incorrect. I have only recently asked the HJC for a list of what their current ‘causes’ are and how much they need to raise in the next 12 months to achieve them. I have not received a reply as yet but expect one soon. I will also be asking Anne Williams the same questions by email over the next few days too (well we know the cause, but an estimate of how much money we need to raise to achieve this). It has to be said that my priorities may change if the HJC are supporting a cause that I do not know about at this stage, but still the Anne Williams case is important too. Anne is now asking for donations to pay for legal fees for the next step as per this press release: http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=220882.0 http://forum.raotl.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=87326 Although I am not a member or affiliate of HFSG, HJC, Hope for Hillsborough, SOS or RTK, and therefore have no authority whatsoever. I am a decent red that has served my time though and therefore still call upon all fellow supporters to recognise the importance of this issue. Ignore all other matters in this close season, not to the point of letting them go away, but making a priority of ensuring that Anne has the funds to continue after the ruling is made (I assume that the continuance will be either appeal in the European Courts or back to the British courts with the European ruling). If you cannot afford to donate yourself, do a sponsored something to raise money. This really is more important than the Hicks and Gillette issue that we all feel so passionately about. I was surprised to see in Anne’s statement that other groups were not supporting her in this. I am not 100% sure to whom she is referring, but I know that the group that I have given my (not insignificant) donations to is the HJC and that was really specifically for Anne’s case. I don’t know how much of Anne’s legal fees have been backed in the past by the HJC, but I call upon them to put aside any differences and concentrate on the common goal. The reason for our donations is to achieve Justice and as I see it, Anne Williams has the best chance of taking the biggest step towards this and therefore suggest that monies donated to the HJC should be used to support Anne’s case. I also believe that like me, many donations have been made mainly to support Anne in her fight. If anyone who is representative of any of the groups above can put me right on any details or assumptions that I have got wrong, please do so and I apologise for my ignorance if that is the case. I will then edit my text to suit. Come on Liverpool and Come on Justice.

Posted this on RAWK. ust thought I would post it here too. It made me feel good: On the 20th October 2007, Michael McEvoy died at the age of 89. He had lived a long and fruitful life and has been a saint in my eyes long before he passed. I would like to tell you a little of his life. He was born, bred and lived his whole life in Liverpool, save for a couple of years when he was overseas during the war. His background was poor, like so many others at the time, but his wealth was enormous. By that I mean he had so much to give to people, not much of it was money though. He married Peg and they were together for over 65 years. During the war, he was given his orders to meet his regiment in Liverpool to go and do his bit for King and Country. As the busses drove away, his beloved Peg was in tears, waving him off and telling him to keep his head down. This is exactly what he did do at the start because there was no telling what snipers were around as he settled into his barracks in Aintree. Yes, that’s right, a few miles down the road! All those tears from Peggy were in vain at that time. He did see service overseas though and spent over 2 years in the African dessert as a lookout, reporting back on any movements that he saw. 2 years in the heat, sat in a trench most of the time. He said that he only saw one German armoured car the whole time he was there and that was a number of miles away. After the War, he was moved back to Cairo where he was given the duty of deciding which troops demobilised back to Blighty first. Lists and lists of names were given to him, so he sent his best mate, his brother in law and himself home in the first wave of demobs and left some poor bugger to complete the task after him (who I am sure did a similar thing). He had a daughter named Joy, who certainly was his pride and joy. His sister in law died in her 40’s leaving three children, the oldest being Rita. Rita was just about to be married, but the younger children, Tony and Lynne, were in their teens, Lynne being in the early teens. Michael agreed to take Lynne in and looked after them as his own. He was also a fantastic support to Rita and Tony. He joined the Knights of Saint Columbo and during his 50 years of membership he became Grand Knight. He was also a leading figure in the Liverpool Churches, especially St Brendan’s in Old Swan. As Joy, Rita, Lynne, Tony and other nieces Pauleen and Paddy had families; Peg & Michael were always the head of the family. He used to call Rita, Lynne Pauleen and Paddy, “The Girls”. Michael was only an actual Grandad to Joy’s children, Amanda and Michaela, but Lynne’s kids, Simon, Victoria and Lindsey as well as Rita’s youngest, Paul, all called him Grandad too. Rita’s middle child Andrew, once approached his Uncle Michael and said “When my Grandad dies, will you be my Grandad”. That is how much the family thought of him. Every Boxing day, the family would gather in Alder Road, where the kids would be all excited because they always got a second visit from Father Christmas. Suddenly, he would appear at the bottom of the garden and make his way into the house. Michael was never there when he arrived though. Strange. He would get the kids to sing or say something and then dish out the presents from all the Aunties and Uncles to all the Children. Fantastic times for all involved. Michael and Peg were fanatical Liverpudlians. They were at the 1950 FA Cup final to see their hero Billy Liddell. They were at Rome in ’77 and the most special for them was in Wembley ’65. Having spent most of the night queuing, tickets were gone by the time Peggy arrived at the window. They were both heartbroken and wrote to Liverpool to complain. A couple of days later, the phone rang and a Scottish voice announced himself as Bill Shankly. He was so sorry that they had missed out and since they were regulars at home and also went to many away matches; they could pick up a couple of tickets from his office at Anfield. Shanks was now their ultimate hero. In 1976/77 season, a season ticket became available behind them in the Kemlyn Road. This was offered to Rita’s eldest (and at the time only) son, Andrew who was 8 years old. For 10 years, Michael and Peg would take Andrew the match, teaching him about previous games and players. Michael gave Andrew 20p at each match (50p at the end of those 10 years) so that he could buy a badge or some memorabilia, and sometimes a bag of chips after the game too. They would all meet up with friends and Andrew’s Dad after the game at ‘The Church’ (now the garage) next to the Sandon after the game and discuss the match. Fantastic times. We still meet at ‘The Church’ after games. Peg and Michael’s daughter, Joy died when she was 40 years old of cancer. She had just been through a divorce. This was more than anyone should have to go through in their lives, but as always, Michael’s strength and his faith in God allowed him to come through it all without any bitterness. Michael himself was not in perfect health and had already suffered a couple of Angina attacks. After the 1985 season, he and Peg decided that it was all too much and they gave up their season tickets. Andrew moved over to the Main Stand with his Dad, and would 2 years later be followed by his younger brother, Paul (who was now on the scene). The following season, Liverpool were in the FA Cup Final against Everton. Winning would mean the double. Upon request from Rita to Peggy from the ticket office (Remember her? Lovely lady) they managed to get tickets for Peg and Michael for the final. They had now seen it all. For the next 20 years, Michael and Peg enjoyed their retirement. Peg always complained that Michael was giving so much to charities, but he would still think of others before himself on all occasions. He became a special minister in the church (one of the first) and would regularly bring Holy Communion to the sick of the parish. He was truly a living saint. Andrew remembered how much Michael had done for him and his family, and when Liverpool produced the small models of the Shankly statue, he bought one for his Auntie Peg and Uncle Michael. That statue took pride of place by the front door, so that everyone could see it as they walked in. Over the past few years, the health of Michael and Peg deteriorated substantially. Peg was no longer able to look after things in the house, and Michael, having suffered two strokes was weak physically, but strong mentally and did his bit. The first of those strokes came the day before Liverpool beat West Ham in the FA Cup Final of ’06. The day after the Cup Final, Andrew found out that his wife was pregnant with their first child. Worrying that his Uncle might not make it, he immediately announced (with his wife’s permission) that if it was a boy, then he would be called Michael after his Uncle Michael. Uncle Michael wept when he heard this, but it was actually a decision that Andrew had made more than 20 years prior. The child turned out to be Christina and Uncle Michael truly loved her on the occasions that they met. At the end of last year, Michael was very tired. He asked Rita, Lynne and Pauleen if they could organise for them both to be moved to a home as they could not cope anymore. Everybody knew that Michael had had enough and they were settled in the home within hours. He was, as always, selflessly making sure that his beloved wife was safe before he left us. Once again at this time, Andrew found out that his wife was pregnant. Once again, he announced it early so that Uncle Michael knew that if it was a boy, he would be called Michael. Uncle Michael cried once again. After only a few weeks in the home, ‘the girls’ sitting by his side, he turned to Lynne and said “Lynne, I want to go”. Lynne told him that he could go whenever he wanted and said her goodbyes. He then turned to Rita and said “Rita, I want to go”. Rita backed up Lynne’s permission to pass on whenever he wanted and said her goodbyes. He then turned to Pauleen and said “Pauleen, I want to go to the toilet”. I am sure that this was a deliberate act of humour on his part. A few days later, he waited until his beloved Peg was out having dinner and no-one else was in the room, and quietly went to sleep. He was no longer a living saint, but no less a saint. At his funeral, Michael’s best friend did a fantastic obituary, as did ‘The Girls’. In his best friends obituary, he spoke about the Shankly Statue and how Michael would try to make him bow down before it, which being a staunch blue, he always refused. Andrew had so much pride that something that he had bought has given so much pleasure that it is mentioned at such a time. Michael had given so much to him, and to all his family over so many years and he truly is his hero. Andrews brother Paul now has that statue. Michael McEvoy was a truly great, great man. I am happy to say that in the next two weeks, my son will be born. I am so proud that he will be named after my Uncle Michael, a truly great man. My only regret is that they will not meet in the flesh. I pray that he will meet my Auntie Peg though. If my son Michael is half the man that my Uncle Michael was, then I will be a very, very proud father and my wife and I will have done a fantastic job in parenthood.

Or perhaps Drogba who should have taken that penalty

In order, I would say: St John v Leeds Smith v Moenchengladbach Dalglish v Bruges Kennedy v Real Madrid Garcia v Chelsea for non-final games: Dalglish v Chelsea Barnes v QPR McDermott v Spurs (Anfield not FA Cup although you all remember that one too) Collymore v Nerwcastle McAllister v Everton

I can understand mate. I did the same 10 years ago after 21 years as an ST and 10 of those being a full time awayer too. It was such a dificult decision, but I could see where it was all going and the PSG trip and the International Supporters Club were the last straw for me and a few of my fellow home and awayers. You have had to put up with alot since then. I mis it immensely, and even thought about claiming my ST back at some time, but then the whose athens fiasco last year reminded me of why I gave up, and the ownership stuff now has taken it beyond a joke. Good luck.

I find it incredible that Chelsea fans as well as their former manager, are do deluded in relation to that goal. There is no conclusive proof as to whether it crossed the line or not, but it is clear what would have happened had the goal not been given. That portugese twat still brings it up 3 years later and feels hard done by. He really is a special one.

Not sure I want Terry booked. I think we can do it anyway, adn if we don't I would rather have him there to face the Mancs.

You may be right Dave (although I suspect not), but on the Offal it specifically names Everton supporters, so they have responded to that. Rafa Benitez claims victory in the 207th Merseyside derby felt even sweeter following 'disrespectful' chants from sections of the Everton support. The Anfield boss yesterday led his side to the double over their city rivals for only the third time in the Premier League. Afterwards he said: "I think it is more for our supporters and for the team because we have three more points and the gap is five points. "I am sure some of the players will be very pleased because I do not like to hear some of the things I heard. "It showed a lack of respect for some players. So I am really pleased, especially for some players. "I am very pleased we did the double against Everton for our supporters and it was really important for the team and the club." BENITEZ LABELS CHANTS 'DISRESPECTFUL'

I have no hatred of Everton at all except on derby days. Half my family are blue and as my late Auntie B said to my brother "How can I hate Liverpool when I love you". That goes both ways for me. As for the Mancs, I really fuckin' hate them and everything associated with the club. From backing Cantona and Ferdinand to poaching players as far back as Busby's day (Yes Duncan Edwards should have played for Wolves). The way they treated the victims famlies after Munich still makes my blood boil and trying to get a bye in the FA Cup then pulling out totally so as not to lose face was a disgrace too. Someone above said that Everton were no threat to us where as the Mancs are better. It used to be the opposite at times and I had no hatred of Everton then, but massive hatred for the Mancs. There are a few Manc players that I thought were fantastic and have the utmost respect for though, Best and Law, Stevie Coppell and possibly even Giggs. Then you have the Ronaldo's, Cantona's, Robson's, Bruce's, Whiteside's and Jordan's to consider. Those guys really make my blood boil to this day. All of whom were extremely good payers (save for perhaps Robson), but all of whom had something about them that I hate. I cannot even say that for Peter Reid. No contest for me. United. No-one else comes anywhere near.

Obviously I understand the sentiment towards Moores because we are all angry at the moment, but at the end of the day, he had to go on what he was being told. The Yanks said all the right things at the start and many were impressed by their knowledge of what was important to the club and supporters. I am sure that that came from the discussions with Moores and Parry, and they were getting all the right answers back. Don't forget, there are no guarantees that DIC or any other buyer would not have done the same thing. Did he fuck up? Yes! But how do you feel when you make a fuck up and there is nothing you can do about it. Then imagine that it directly effects the club you love (and lets face it, his selling was for the development of LFC not for David Moores). He must be devastated at the decision he has made and has to live with it. Lets concentrate our efforts on the real problem. It is not a case of everything is OK so lets forget about it - no harm done. It is a case of accepting a mistake and doing our best to put enough pressure on the real tyrants to resolve the issue. That's my take on it anyway.

My Dad and I have argued a number of times on this issue. The likes of Duncan Edwards should ahve gone to Wolves etc. My Dad says that there was an understanding that local players went to local clubs, and Matt Busby ruined all that by "poaching' all the best talent. I personally think he was an innovator. He broke no rules, just as Jack Charlton opened the door for the likes of Aldo and Houghton playing for the republic. The tap-ups now are a totally different thing as there are rules in place, which are, ahem, manipulated. How do you avoid it though. How do you stop two players in the same international team talking about their respective clubs and perhaps finding out the others' availability?

And so I turn to the BBC (after previously checking) and suddenly it comes up as breaking news.

RAOTL are reporting it too, say it is on sky. nothing on thier website though and initial reprts were over an hour ago.