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Liverpool 1 Sevilla 3 (May 18 2016)


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So after all we’ve been through in the Europa League this season, this is how it ends? After comfortably disposing of the Mancs, producing an incredible comeback against Dortmund and then demolishing Villarreal, we have absolutely nothing to show for it when it’s all said and done. Why? Because as soon as they came up against some adversity away from the protection of Anfield, their arses completely went. 

 

Sevilla are the weakest team we’ve faced since Augsburg in the “Round of 32”. They hadn’t won a league game outside of their own stadium all season and do not travel well, yet we made them look like superstars in that second half. Ultimately, without “the Power of Anfield” helping them through, we saw this team for what they really are, and it wasn’t pretty. Let’s face it, Anfield got us this far and although our fans took over the stadium in Basel, it just wasn’t the same. 

 

If you’re looking for something upbeat and defiant to make you feel better and provide hope for next season, you may as well stop reading now as I’m just not in that kind of place. I’m in more of a “moody teenager who’s just been bin bagged by his bird in front of all of his mates and who now hates the entire fucking world” kind of place. I’m not taking this well at all. It’s not because we lost, it’s because of how we lost. The completely inept, cowardly way we lost. That’s what’s floored me.

 

I really wish I could sit here and give it the whole “we go again” “we are Liverpool” “this will make us stronger” blah blah blah but I’m just not feeling it now, the wound is still seeping and it won’t be healing any time soon. I see Klopp saying those kind of optimistic things - he has to as he doesn’t have the luxury of sulking - but rather than feel inspired I’m just shrugging and saying “yeah whatever, I heard the same crap after we lost at Wembley to City”. The pain of that defeat was supposed to be the ideal preparation for this final. How’d that work out for us then? 

 

This was another corker from Kloppo: “We will use this experience. Someday everybody will say Basel was decisive for the wonderful future of LFC”. Call me defeatist if you like, but I can’t see myself sat around with mates in 20 years reminiscing about the night we embarrassed ourselves in Basel and then went on to win everything in sight because of how we “used that experience”. Success breeds success and losing becomes a habit. Look at Sevilla, a bang average team that just dicked us everywhere because they know how to win as they’ve done it before.

 

It’s not that I don’t have trust in Klopp or that I don’t believe we’ll be better next season, because I absolutely do. I’m just not ready to be going down that “we’ll come back stronger” road so quickly. All I’m feeling at the moment is angry, pissed off, frustrated, disillusioned… Come pre-season I’ll no doubt feel differently, but this performance was just so spineless and embarrassing it’s going to be hard to forget, and even harder to forgive in some cases. All that was missing were cream suits.

 

There’s a culture of bottling it that’s becoming prevalent with this group of players now. Since we missed out on the title two years ago look what’s happened. Shit the bed at Wembley in an FA Cup semi against Aston fucking Villa, didn’t show up against City until 83 minutes of the League Cup final when we scored with basically our first shot, and now this fucking absolute horror show. It’s becoming a trend, not being able to handle the big occasions. This club used to find ways to win finals regardless of the circumstances they were in. It was rarely pretty, never comfortable, but in the end it was usually our skipper holding the trophy at the end of it. Not any more, we just can’t get over the line these days and it’s only partially to do with quality. 

 

Don’t tell me Sevilla have better players than us because they don’t. I’d never even heard of half their team, and one of the few I actually knew was only familiar to me because he played for Stoke and fucking Blackburn. If this game had been played at Anfield we’d have murdered them, like we did Villarreal who finished three places above them in La Liga. The difference is Sevilla know how to win finals and our players don’t. They kept their nerve while we completely lost ours. Maybe this group will eventually get over the hump and become winners, but I wouldn’t bet on it. I mean why on earth would I? Any time I’ve put any trust in these players they’ve shown themselves to be totally unworthy of it. Nothing has changed.

 

Their arses went because it was a final. It’s really that simple. As soon as Sevilla put them under pressure they fell to pieces, lost their shape and as Klopp said “lost faith in our style of play”. I’d suggest it was more a case of them shitting themselves and losing all composure rather than losing faith, and if Klopp was speaking in his native tongue he’d surely have worded it more along those lines. It was a disorganised mess. It’s not a question of effort but it’s about mentality and being strong enough to overcome setbacks. They completely wilted as soon as Sevilla got back into the game. How do you fix that? Can it even be fixed? 

 

Klopp himself has lost his last five finals now and he contributed to this second half capitulation too by not changing it earlier. We’d completely lost all control of the game from the moment “Albert Moron” did his old mates a favour, and after that they were just cutting through our midfield and having a free run at the overworked Lovren and Kolo. That needed shoring up with Allen, or even Lucas, but Klopp did nothing until it was too late. It’s not being wise after the event, as where I watched the game everyone was calling for Allen to be brought on to help out the midfield two who were having rings ran around them.

 

There’s a lot of blame to go around for this and it feels wrong just laying most of it at Moreno’s door. Hell, I’ve been more scathing of him than most and I’m in no way defending the shit sandwich he served up in that second half, but if you think we lost this game just because of the left back then you’re kidding yourself. He was the worst of a bad bunch but was it down to him that we barely even saw the Sevilla goalkeeper in the entire second half? Moreno is an easy and justified target but he shouldn’t be the only one to carry the can for this.

 

It’s easier to name those who can hold their heads up than those who can’t. Clyne was ok, Kolo was brilliant and I’ll give Sturridge a pass (which is more than he got from the three ‘creative’ players playing behind him) as I don’t know what else he could have done given the way we played in the second half. Maybe if he hadn’t tried to nick Lovren’s goal and just stood aside with his hands up and not interfered with play things would have been different, but he probably didn’t even think he was offside as there was a defender who was really late in pushing out and it was a close decision. I just felt frustrated for him more than I was with him. 

 

His goal was a moment of world class ability and had we continued to get him the ball in and around their box he’d have probably added to it. Instead we just kept hitting it up to him and asking him to fight for it, which isn’t his strength. It’s a strength of Origi and Benteke of course, but with a ref like this it actually becomes a weakness as the prick just gave free kicks for every aerial challenge made by our forwards. He even booked Origi for a non-existent elbow because one of their cunt defenders feigned injury and then demanded a card.

 

It reminded me of when Crouchy came on in Athens and the ref just kept blowing for fouls every time he won a header. Same thing happened here with the two Belgians. The Sevilla players milked every bit of contact and the ref was only too happy to oblige. Once they got in front it just felt like the game was stopping every 30 seconds for free kicks to them; they did a complete number on us and we weren’t street wise enough to deal with it. Fuck Sevilla though, their players were fucking rats and the fans seemed like wankers as well. They were more like Italian fans than Spanish.

 

As shit as we were though, I’m convinced that ref was out to screw us. I’m not blaming him for the defeat because that would be doing our players a kindness they don’t deserve, but he did do everything possible to help Sevilla. He was everything the ref against Villarreal was not. From the opening seconds it was clear what his game was. He was blowing for free kicks any time we got within touching distance of any of their players. He ignored three clear handballs in the area and a blatant shove on Milner as he went up to win a header in the box. He’s been a twat any time he’s reffed our games and I seem to recall Rafa having a major beef with him back in the day..

 

This one is a blatant penalty. Whether you want to give it for the handball or the foul, take your pick, but it’s stonewall.

 


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We need bollocks and nous in the team....we have very little.

 

Until we get more bollocks and nous we will continue to shit all down our legs at every really big test we come up against. We have a squad full of losers, shithouses and inexperienced meek individuals -chnage that and we will be better...add bollocks and nous.

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Leicester is a once in a century combination of freakish events, Downing is shite.

 

It's about both ability and mentality, but our problems aren't mental, they're down purely to the fact this is the worst Liverpool squad in decades. Who are they going to put on the posters next season? First time I can remember that we have no world class players at all.

Leicester still won the league and punched massively above their weight. Your description makes it sound like they didn't grind out one nil wins in the run in or batter dramatically better sides.

 

And I know it's about both - I implicitly said as much in my first post. The world class players thing is also true - I was saying that in my write ups for Dave at the start of the season. Worst squad ever? Certainly in the last fifty years, I reckon - but it's all relative if you're measuring against stratospheric highs as we do.

 

These players have talent. All of them (and I say that while simultaneously despising the gormless cunt at left back). They are undone by a combination of collective and individual mental frailties such as concentration, self-confidence and a lack of hunger. Technically there isn't a bum among them.

 

Yes we need better players but footballing greatness derives from the brain even more than the boots, for me. It's the greater difference between a Skrtel and a Carragher, a Redknapp and an Alonso or Suarez and every other player on the planet, almost.

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We need bollocks and nous in the team....we have very little.

 

Until we get more bollocks and nous we will continue to shit all down our legs at every really big test we come up against. We have a squad full of losers, shithouses and inexperienced meek individuals -chnage that and we will be better...add bollocks and nous.

Agreed, if nous includes concentration. I'm sick of watching multimillionaires who can't think about one fucking thing for 90 minutes.
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There's a thing on sky available for download, this is your life sort of thing with rory McIlroy and he's joined by fergie for the 2nd half of it. He talks about the team talks he gave to his football teams and they were all about teamwork, work ethic, not being complacent and concentration.

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We as fans have to sulk, be pissed off and generally be in a poor mood for weeks about this. Luckily our manager doesn't have that luxury and he of course publicly has to try to pull something positive out of it all. Privately he will be pissed and what he saw will only have confirmed what he knew about certain players.

 

Yes Anfield propelled the players to overcome some teams and progress to the final, none of those players were signed by Klopp, he was effectively working with the selections of a transfer committee and the biggest blagger in football management. 

 

I am confident that Klopp and his management team will fix the problems we have, get the required skills in to be able to take this club forward. They have done it before and have a great track record of that. 

 

If anyone thinks that will happen overnight then you could be in for some pain, it will take time to repair the damage, the poor signings. We couldn't be in better hands to do that in my opinion. 

 

I'm optimistic for the coming season, where at the start of last season I couldn't give a shit. We have seen what Klopp can achieve at times with this bunch. Once the blaggers shit signings are  dispatched and some decent players are signed there will be less and less bad days and more and more great days. 

 

You can live in despair for as long as you want, I live in hope.

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Leicester is a once in a century combination of freakish events, Downing is shite.

 

It's about both ability and mentality, but our problems aren't mental, they're down purely to the fact this is the worst Liverpool squad in decades. Who are they going to put on the posters next season? First time I can remember that we have no world class players at all.

 

If they had no ability they wouldn't have come so close to winning trophies over the past couple of years. Their problem is getting mentally right for the big finals/semi finals.

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Last time we lost a European final we bought Torres not long after which took the edge off.

 

Yet we were owned by two cancerous pricks who the manager called out after that final.

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I don't think it's a case of bottling it, I just think many of them are of such limited ability they can only overcome good sides when their tails are up and the other side is floundering. We're good at kicking the school bully in the bollocks when someone else has got him in a headlock, but when he comes after us we're straight to the staffroom with brown pants and a packet of Murray mints for the teachers.

Match report could have summed it up in two words:

Murray mints.

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Leicester is a once in a century combination of freakish events, Downing is shite.

 

It's about both ability and mentality, but our problems aren't mental, they're down purely to the fact this is the worst Liverpool squad in decades. Who are they going to put on the posters next season? First time I can remember that we have no world class players at all.

Couldn't agree more.

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Leicester still won the league and punched massively above their weight. Your description makes it sound like they didn't grind out one nil wins in the run in or batter dramatically better sides.

 

And I know it's about both - I implicitly said as much in my first post. The world class players thing is also true - I was saying that in my write ups for Dave at the start of the season. Worst squad ever? Certainly in the last fifty years, I reckon - but it's all relative if you're measuring against stratospheric highs as we do.

 

These players have talent. All of them (and I say that while simultaneously despising the gormless cunt at left back). They are undone by a combination of collective and individual mental frailties such as concentration, self-confidence and a lack of hunger. Technically there isn't a bum among them.

 

Yes we need better players but footballing greatness derives from the brain even more than the boots, for me. It's the greater difference between a Skrtel and a Carragher, a Redknapp and an Alonso or Suarez and every other player on the planet, almost.

All true but you could say the same about the majority of teams above, and many below, us.

You can't really suggest we'd be so much better off if we were mentally better when the same is true of most teams. If all teams consistently had the right mentality then we'd still have the poorer results because we simply and absolutely have the poorer players.

You need both mentality and ability. We have neither.

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I agree with you Paul, but I still think raw ability is the most important thing, and also think it's the lack of raw ability that's our issue.

 

An epiphany for me on that score was when we got beat by Chelsea in the FA Cup under Kenny.

 

Remember watching in utter despair because our midfield were putting in 110% but were still chasing shadows. It'd take us ten passes to do what theirs could do in two.

 

Alonso could dissect a whole team with one ball, Mascherano could control a match while barely moving out of the centre circle for the whole game, Fowler could find the net with his back to goal. I remember Hyppia keeping Leeds out once despite playing with the flu.

 

You see it with players like Sakho. People laud him for making challenges and shit but half the time he wouldn't need to if he had real ability. Hyppia would just pluck the ball off the player before it even found their feet, when the ball was in the air it's like his head was a magnet.

 

Our players have to put an epic shift in to make up for their limitations (as Leicester's have had to) but you need an epic conspiracy of fates for you to be able to keep that up long enough to win anything other than the odd Derby or point-scoring grudge match.

 

I remember getting my ear bent on here when we finished second under Rodgers because I said we'd get comprehensively dismantled when we came up against decent European opposition in the champions league, but so it proved.

 

It's like trying to take on Zorro in a swordfight. In a fit of rage after you've just found him shagging your Mrs you might be able to land a sucker punch on him, but nine times out of ten he's going to have your entrails around your ankles while he sits there sipping sol. Suarez was Zorro, Gerrard was Zorro, milner and Henderson are occasionally spirited but hopelessly out of their depth Yates's Wine Lodge brawlers.

 

We need Zorros.

 

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Our league position since 2009 has just been an utter disgrace bar that one season under Rodgers. Finishing 6th, 7th and 8th is just abysmal. No wonder other supporters snigger at our delusions of grandeur.

 

Some guy off the Anfield Wrap was saying the day after Basle that he thinks we're going to win the league next season. We haven't even signed a player yet.

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To be fair we came 8th because we played the reserves since we beat United. We wouldn't have finished 4th obviously but probably 6th had we not concentrated on winning the Europa League.

If we hadn't bottled our halftime leads against Southampton Sunderland and Sevilla we'd have top 4, CL and won a European trophy.

 

I always believed we would have finished fourth this season and looking at that we definitely should have.I could list a lot of other games which we should have won aswell.

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If we hadn't bottled our halftime leads against Southampton Sunderland and Sevilla we'd have top 4, CL and won a European trophy.

 

I always believed we would have finished fourth this season and looking at that we definitely should have.I could list a lot of other games which we should have won aswell.

But we did and finished 8th which is a true reflection on the ability of this poor squad.

If we hadn't done this or hadn't done that , fucking hell its pathetic.  

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But we did and finished 8th which is a true reflection on the ability of this poor squad.

If we hadn't done this or hadn't done that , fucking hell its pathetic.

I knicked that off Twitter and think it's a good point, I haven't looked at the table in weeks and didn't know we would have got it if we hadn't thrown games away.

 

I'm not going to compare what would have happened but after seeing that I'm even more convinced we would have got cl if the league was the main priority this season.Not blaming Klopp as no one could have predicted everyone else would fuck up so bad but if he had been putting our first team out every game we would have got it.

 

Against Swansea and wba we rested players and dropped five points, those two games could have got us cl.

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If we hadn't bottled our halftime leads against Southampton Sunderland and Sevilla we'd have top 4, CL and won a European trophy.

 

I always believed we would have finished fourth this season and looking at that we definitely should have.I could list a lot of other games which we should have won aswell.

 

Scuppered by Rodgers team ay?

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I knicked that off Twitter and think it's a good point, I haven't looked at the table in weeks and didn't know we would have got it if we hadn't thrown games away.

 

I'm not going to compare what would have happened but after seeing that I'm even more convinced we would have got cl if the league was the main priority this season.Not blaming Klopp as no one could have predicted everyone else would fuck up so bad but if he had been putting our first team out every game we would have got it.

 

Against Swansea and wba we rested players and dropped five points, those two games could have got us cl.

Sure.

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I am just waiting for the inevitable starting the season with 3 away games because Anfield isn't ready, plus key players being not ready because of olympics/euros and the fixture list handing us 3 of our worst aways for those aways.

 

Bet life on it.

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I agree with you Paul, but I still think raw ability is the most important thing, and also think it's the lack of raw ability that's our issue.An epiphany for me on that score was when we got beat by Chelsea in the FA Cup under Kenny. Remember watching in utter despair because our midfield were putting in 110% but were still chasing shadows. It'd take us ten passes to do what theirs could do in two.Alonso could dissect a whole team with one ball, Mascherano could control a match while barely moving out of the centre circle for the whole game, Fowler could find the net with his back to goal. I remember Hyppia keeping Leeds out once despite playing with the flu. You see it with players like Sakho. People laud him for making challenges and shit but half the time he wouldn't need to if he had real ability. Hyppia would just pluck the ball off the player before it even found their feet, when the ball was in the air it's like his head was a magnet. Our players have to put an epic shift in to make up for their limitations (as Leicester's have had to) but you need an epic conspiracy of fates for you to be able to keep that up long enough to win anything other than the odd Derby or point-scoring grudge match.I remember getting my ear bent on here when we finished second under Rodgers because I said we'd get comprehensively dismantled when we came up against decent European opposition in the champions league, but so it proved.It's like trying to take on Zorro in a swordfight. In a fit of rage after you've just found him shagging your Mrs you might be able to land a sucker punch on him, but nine times out of ten he's going to have your entrails around your ankles while he sits there sipping sol. Suarez was Zorro, Gerrard was Zorro, milner and Henderson are occasionally spirited but hopelessly out of their depth Yates's Wine Lodge brawlers.We need Zorros.

Great post section,spot on mate,it's alright pressing like fuck to win the ball,but you have to be able to do something with it.
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I agree with you Paul, but I still think raw ability is the most important thing, and also think it's the lack of raw ability that's our issue.An epiphany for me on that score was when we got beat by Chelsea in the FA Cup under Kenny. Remember watching in utter despair because our midfield were putting in 110% but were still chasing shadows. It'd take us ten passes to do what theirs could do in two.Alonso could dissect a whole team with one ball, Mascherano could control a match while barely moving out of the centre circle for the whole game, Fowler could find the net with his back to goal. I remember Hyppia keeping Leeds out once despite playing with the flu. You see it with players like Sakho. People laud him for making challenges and shit but half the time he wouldn't need to if he had real ability. Hyppia would just pluck the ball off the player before it even found their feet, when the ball was in the air it's like his head was a magnet. Our players have to put an epic shift in to make up for their limitations (as Leicester's have had to) but you need an epic conspiracy of fates for you to be able to keep that up long enough to win anything other than the odd Derby or point-scoring grudge match.I remember getting my ear bent on here when we finished second under Rodgers because I said we'd get comprehensively dismantled when we came up against decent European opposition in the champions league, but so it proved.It's like trying to take on Zorro in a swordfight. In a fit of rage after you've just found him shagging your Mrs you might be able to land a sucker punch on him, but nine times out of ten he's going to have your entrails around your ankles while he sits there sipping sol. Suarez was Zorro, Gerrard was Zorro, milner and Henderson are occasionally spirited but hopelessly out of their depth Yates's Wine Lodge brawlers.We need Zorros.

In the grand scheme of things we're not good enough but on Wednesday it was purely about mentality. Sevilla are a poor side.
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In the grand scheme of things we're not good enough but on Wednesday it was purely about mentality. Sevilla are a poor side.

 

Spot on. Sevilla haven't even won away from home all season.

 

We just have too many jekyll and hyde players in this squad. There's too many who you just can't 100% trust to deliver under adversity and I include the likes of Coutinho and Firmino in that.

 

That Benitez squad was crawling with winners who knew what to do when the chips were down and didn't need some guy on the bench to give them a hug.

 

We all know how Carra, Sami, Xabi, Stevie, Dirk etc would have reacted after that first goal from Gameiro. They would have killed the game for 10-15 minutes until we were back on our feet.  

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