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Rickie Lambert - Are you on board with it?

    The Reds have been linked with all manner of players so far this summer, but no-one seemed to have a clue that Southampton's Scouse striker Rickie Lambert was on Brendan Rodgers' shopping list. A deal for the 32 year old is said to be close, with some reports suggesting he'll have a medical following England's friendly on Friday night. Smart move or underwhelming? Three TLW writers give their verdict...

On the face of it and in the context of our transfer deals of recent windows, the apparently imminent signing of Rickie Lambert from Southampton for a fee variously quoted as between £4m and £9m seems laughably typical of the succession of unsuccessful deals negotiated by the much-criticised transfer committee. A 32 year old who's played his entire career at mid table or worse is hardly the kind of signing to get the pulse racing.

 

And yet. And yet. I've never been one to second guess potential signings before they've shown what they can do in a Red shirt (at least not in the negative; I'm often all in on the premature "He'll be boss for us" shout). Our history is littered with signings that leave you underwhelmed but turn out to be good (Sami Hyypia, Gary Mac and more) or players who're touted as being ace but fall flat rapidly (Morientes, Cheyrou, Diouf and others besides). So I generally lean towards the optimistic, but wait and see camp.

 

In terms of Lambert though, I think he could be a very crafty transfer for a number of reasons. First of all - and most definitely not to be sniffed at - he's a Scouser and a Red. When it's obvious that he will not be first choice, motivation other than playing every week will be important.

 

Another reason I like the thinking behind this deal is that he's used to playing in a team that has many parallels with ours in the way they play. They're a front foot side where there's an expectation that they close down hard from the forward line backwards. Furthermore, he could offer us an element of a Plan B (holding up the ball and/or retaining possession) without having to completely ditch Plan A to do so. A Peter Crouch option if you like - and much like Peter Crouch, he's better than people give him credit for. He's got a good touch and pass on him and his movement is clever.

 

So far, so good - but what about the fee? £9m or even £4m plus add ons still seems excessive for a player of his age and pedigree. However, just maybe this deal bears the first signs of an improved degree of canniness on the part of that committee. We keep hearing that Adam Lallana is going to cost £30m because his previous club are due a 25% slice of any sell on fee. However, maybe we're going heavy on Lambert to appear to go light on Lallana. We get two players we want for a reasonable combined fee that suits Southampton too as they don't have to pass on as much as they thought for a player who wants out anyway.

 

So in conclusion, I'll judge this deal after it's completed and the player has shown what he can do for us, but I think it has the potential to be a very clever piece of business. Let's hope so because we all know that this summer is absolutely vital for us if we're going to go one step further next season and bring back number nineteen.

 

Paul Natton

 


 

I don’t think anyone saw this one coming, but after the initial shock wore off I was more than happy with the idea. I like Rickie Lambert, not only is he a good Red but he’s an impressive footballer. He’s done it the hard way too, spending most of his career in the lower leagues before hitting the big time when Southampton were promoted to the Premier League two years ago.

 

I didn’t expect him to do much in the top flight but he has looked at home from day one and I’ve been impressed any time I’ve seen him play. I remember writing last season that Lambert is basically a modern day John Aldridge, the main difference being he’s playing in an era in which the top sides don’t buy players like him because they can go out and pick up some foreign superstar. When Aldo was picked up by Liverpool to replace Ian Rush there were hardly any foreign players in the league and the top sides would often look to the lower leagues or smaller top flight clubs for players. If Aldo had been playing 25 years later chances are he’d never have got his dream move to Liverpool and that’s how I felt about Lambert.

 

Looks like I was wrong about that, if this one goes through it will be fantastic for Rickie as he had surely given up on any hope he had of pulling on the red shirt and scoring in front of the Kop. He’d bring a lot to the table in my opinion; he’s a fine footballer who creates as many goals as he scores. He’s clever, very unselfish and offers something different. His love the club can't be underplayed either, as there aren't any other players of his ability who would be prepared to be a squad player. He'll do it because it's a dream come true to play for the Reds.

 

It’s perhaps somewhat disrespectful to refer to him as a ‘Plan B’ as he’s much better than that, but put it this way: Against Chelsea we had to send on Iago Aspas to try and get back into the game. Perhaps if we had Lambert to call on we’d have gotten something that day?

 

If this goes through I hope it doesn’t spell the end for Fabio Borini, as with all the games we’ll have next season we may well need four strikers, especially as we have no idea how much the World Cup will take out of Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling. 

 

I also can’t shake the feeling that this deal might be linked to the Lallana one. Southampton don’t want to give Bournemouth 25% of a huge fee, which may explain why we’ve been linked with Dejan Lovren and Nathaniel Clyne in recent weeks too. Maybe I’ve just got a suspicious mind, but modern football is rotten to it’s core and nothing would surprise me.

 

Dave Usher

 


 

Talk about a bolt from the blue. Who saw this coming? I bet Rickie Lambert in his wildest dreams didn’t think that he’d get the chance to play for his boyhood club. I think we can all guess that Brendan got the Southampton season review DVD for his birthday as the club continues to plunder their brightest and best.

 

In a way I feel sorry for Southampton, what we’re seeing here is the worst side of football. They got promoted with a team built upon second chancers and academy graduates, and gained a prominent foothold in the top flight. Now they’re finding that success comes with a very high price. They lost their Chief Executive in something approaching a power struggle, they’ve lost their manager to the revolving door at White Hart Lane and they look like they’re losing the core of their team. Good luck next year, Southampton; thanks for coming.

 

But as for Liverpool, this is a very shrewd signing. The fee has to be right and if it’s around the £4-5million mark then that’s peanuts in today’s market. It seems that Lambert’s availability came up in discussions over Lallana (and possibly Lovren) so perhaps Southampton asked if we were interested in these fine leather jackets too.

 

Lambert’s signing isn’t a marquee signing, it’s very much about squad building. If you work on the assumption that Suarez and Sturridge are going to be the main men, you need people backing them up to provide rest, an alternative and cover for injury. If those two players are Lambert and Borini, then I think that’s a good set of players with a decent range of ability that provides a degree of flexibility for various scenarios.

 

Certainly when you compare Lambert with the player who’s already here (Aspas) then there’s no contest. Aspas was shown to be unable to cope with demands of the league and during the run-in, his only use was keeping a seat warm. Lambert is an immediate upgrade on him and that’s what the goal is during this summer, which is building a squad and team that can push on into the Champions League and still maintain a league challenge. Lambert is used to the more robust nature of the league, he’s proven he can score and make goals at this level and he’s a different type of player to the other strikers.

 

This is a real feel good story and it’s a piece of business that makes plenty of sense. That Lambert absolutely loves the club makes it a little bit sweeter for me. I love seeing players who have that connection with the club in the team. My only worry is that last summer we got the minor signings done early and then we waited… and waited… and waited for the big impact signings to happen, and nothing happened. Rickie Lambert would be a good addition to the squad but it’s the first team that needs upgrading too. This would be a good start to the summer’s activity but let’s hope that we don’t repeat the mistakes of last year and dither on the big signings until it’s too late. Eyes on the prize, transfer committee.

 
Julian Richards

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Anyone who's not chuffed for him is a bad egg.

Not really as you could say the same about any player moving to a big club good or bad, people were chuffed for Hodgson getting the job as he had been through bad times in the years before, it didn't change the fact it was a bad appointment.

 

Anyway welcome back to loaf head (his nickname when at lfc before), we now are in a better position to compete for the league cup.

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Not really as you could say the same about any player moving to a big club good or bad, people were chuffed for Hodgson getting the job as he had been through bad times in the years before, it didn't change the fact it was a bad appointment.

 

Anyway welcome back to loaf head (his nickname when at lfc before), we now are in a better position to compete for the league cup.

You are mental.

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Not really as you could say the same about any player moving to a big club good or bad, people were chuffed for Hodgson getting the job as he had been through bad times in the years before, it didn't change the fact it was a bad appointment.

 

Anyway welcome back to loaf head (his nickname when at lfc before), we now are in a better position to compete for the league cup.

 

Do you get off on being wrong about everything?

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Do you get off on being wrong about everything?

What have I said that's wrong? I can understand why people are happy for him but my main thoughts on the deal are we have signed an average old player.

 

If things go well for us next season we wont see much of him and his main chances will be in the league or fa cup.

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Pretty much the same as Hodgson coming here, I reckon.

 

Fucking hell. Surely you're doing this on purpose?

Obviously I am not saying it is like getting Hodgson or will turn out the same, I was using an example of how people can be happy for someone to achieve something but my concern is what they bring to us in terms of improving.

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He's not as good as Borini, Lambert might be slightly better now, but ones 23 years old the other is 32 years old. Unless he has a Gary Mac style fairytale end to his career the decision to get rid of Borini for Lambert will be seen as a mistake in the future. 

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He's not as good as Borini, Lambert might be slightly better now, but ones 23 years old the other is 32 years old. Unless he has a Gary Mac style fairytale end to his career the decision to get rid of Borini for Lambert will be seen as a mistake in the future. 

 

I do not think it is him we are replacing, surely its Aspas.

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He's not as good as Borini, Lambert might be slightly better now, but ones 23 years old the other is 32 years old. Unless he has a Gary Mac style fairytale end to his career the decision to get rid of Borini for Lambert will be seen as a mistake in the future. 

 

I hope Borini comes good too fella but I think most would take a stake in Fabio never having two seasons in a row in this league where he plays 38 and 37 games and bags 28 goals and 20 assists in 24 months.

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He's not as good as Borini, Lambert might be slightly better now, but ones 23 years old the other is 32 years old. Unless he has a Gary Mac style fairytale end to his career the decision to get rid of Borini for Lambert will be seen as a mistake in the future. 

I think Borini will stay, he can replace anyone of 5 players, unless we're truly fucked Lambert will only ever be replacing Sturridge or Suarez. If Borini is sold then he needs replacing.

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If it's to improve on Aspas then it's a good piece of business. Lambert is decent in the air, on the ground, clever player, good dead ball taker, links up play, shields the ball - he does a lot of decent things and is well worth the money we've spent. He will not let us down. Never in the class of our best two strikers, but that's not what he's here for. He's here to give us a bit more depth and add another option as we fight on more fronts this coming season. 

 

If we are selling Borini we still need another striker in addition to Lambert. 

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If it's to improve on Aspas then it's a good piece of business. Lambert is decent in the air, on the ground, clever player, good dead ball taker, links up play, shields the ball - he does a lot of decent things and is well worth the money we've spent. He will not let us down. Never in the class of our best two strikers, but that's not what he's here for. He's here to give us a bit more depth and add another option as we fight on more fronts this coming season. 

 

If we are selling Borini we still need another striker in addition to Lambert. 

 

And moving Aspas on, hopefully

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I hope Borini comes good too fella but I think most would take a stake in Fabio never having two seasons in a row in this league where he plays 38 and 37 games and bags 28 goals and 20 assists in 24 months.

 

I genuinely wouldn't put money on that. He could score a lot of goals somewhere but it'd probably have to be starting regularly and I don't think he'll do that here. 

 

I hope he's staying though. I think Suarez, Sturridge, Borini and Lambert is a good mix.

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It's not really a knock on him, just pointing out that Lambert has some solid numbers, Unless Borini improves dramatically the only place he will get a chance to play every single game is a lower half of the table club. He does not look to me the kind of striker that normally features upfront in this league for those clubs week in week out tbh. I think he could be very useful to us mind - just as a utility player able to slot in at a couple positions in certain situations.

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It's not really a knock on him, just pointing out that Lambert has some solid numbers, Unless Borini improves dramatically the only place he will get a chance to play every single game is a lower half of the table club. He does not look to me the kind of striker that normally features upfront in this league for those clubs week in week out tbh. I think he could be very useful to us mind - just as a utility player able to slot in at a couple positions in certain situations.

 

You could of said the same thing about Ba and Sturridge's situation last January, Sturridge didn't have great numbers because Boas played him out wide. Borini's played out wide all season for Sunderland and been their best player by a mile. Also although Lambert has solid numbers he's on the downturn of his career and those numbers will lessen year on year. Borini's numbers will grow and he'll be a double figures striker next season if he's given the chance up front for Sunderland.

 

Sell Borini for 10 million, buy Lambert for 4 million add on's take it up to 9 million, bad business. Remove the nostalgia and Lambert being a scouser and it's bad business plain and simple. Letting Paul Pogba go to bring back Scholes, i mean how many times does releasing talented young prospects for old veterans work in your favour?

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You could of said the same thing about Ba and Sturridge's situation last January, Sturridge didn't have great numbers because Boas played him out wide. Borini's played out wide all season for Sunderland and been their best player by a mile. Also although Lambert has solid numbers he's on the downturn of his career and those numbers will lessen year on year. Borini's numbers will grow and he'll be a double figures striker next season if he's given the chance up front for Sunderland.

 

Sell Borini for 10 million, buy Lambert for 4 million add on's take it up to 9 million, bad business. Remove the nostalgia and Lambert being a scouser and it's bad business plain and simple. Letting Paul Pogba go to bring back Scholes, i mean how many times does releasing talented young prospects for old veterans work in your favour?

 

Sorry mate, you seem to be talking about a different player. Lambert is 32 and last season turned in double digits in goals and assists. That's very, very decent for someone willing to come and not start every week for very little wages. It's a no-brainer.

 

And once again, where's this £9m coming from?

 

I agree I'd keep Borini and I think the club will. 

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Sorry mate, you seem to be talking about a different player. Lambert is 32 and last season turned in double digits in goals and assists. That's very, very decent for someone willing to come and not start every week for very little wages. It's a no-brainer.

 

And once again, where's this £9m coming from?

 

I agree I'd keep Borini and I think the club will. 

 

It's a 4 million deal but i've read that theres appearance based adds on's that can push the fee up further, Southampton seem to think it totals up to 9 million. If Borini's not being sold why are we trying to flog him to Sunderland?

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What are the add-ons?

 

 

It's a 4 million deal but i've read that theres appearance based adds on's

 

 

I would be very confident they are performance based, not appearance based.

We are crafty like that.

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It's a 4 million deal but i've read that theres appearance based adds on's that can push the fee up further, Southampton seem to think it totals up to 9 million. If Borini's not being sold why are we trying to flog him to Sunderland?

 

Where do Southampton seem to think that?

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I would be very confident they are performance based, not appearance based.

We are crafty like that.

 

Your probably right, that'd definitely make more sense. Some of them seem to think the add on's pertain to us winning the league or trophy related add on's.

 

Where do Southampton seem to think that?

 

It's all over the Southampton forum.

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