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Watford 1969/70 League Cup : 3rd September 1969 : Won 2-1 F.A. Cup : 21st February 1970 : Lost 1-0

"Also does anyone know if i am right in thinking the london branch meet in a pub near tower bridge?If so whats it called? I fancy watching the hammers game there as i almost got skrtelled by a ray winston lookalike at fulham the other week, so i don't fancy my chances at upton park." The London Branch used to hold meetings and socials at a pub called "The Three Lords" in The Minories, not far from Tower Bridge underground station but closer to Aldgate. However, Jim McManiman (former Chairman of that Supporters Club and also the landlord of "The Three Lords") died way back in 1994 and I am sure the Supporters' Club's link to that pub died with him. I suggest you have a look at what seems to be the London Branch's current website on LFC London, Official Liverpool FC Supporters Club, London Branch | Dedicated to Liverpool FC fans in London to find out where they meet now.

"Voronin was unveiled as a Liverpool player on 6 July 2007 after signing a four-year deal".

It's Steve Staunton, against Wigan in the League cup 1989-90 season.

"Can anyone find his recent record on penalties? Aside from the one in Marseille where he followed in straight away and scored the rebound, I can't remember him missing one for a good while. The last one I definitely remember was in the 2-2 at home to Spurs in 2005". According to lfchistory.net he's missed 5 and scored 11. Rebounds go down as misses like the one you mentioned at Marseille and also in the 4-0 win over Fulham last season. You're right about the last one he took when he missed the target altogether being against Tottenham in April, 2005. The other misses were against Arsenal in 2006 (saved by Lehmann) and Fulham in April, 2004 (can't remember if he missed or it was saved)

My ticket arrived in the post this morning (Saturday). Been sweating on it for the last few days but it's here now. The trouble is if we beat Luton, we have to go all through the same 'waiting and hoping' scenario for the next round as well. Hopefully most of the Auto Cup subscribers will have their tickets by now but I can still see large queues forming outside the ticket-office from Tuesday afternoon onwards. This has been the first real test of the club's ability to cope under the Auto Cup Scheme and I have to think it's been successful though that's easy to say now that my ticket has arrived. Chris

Yes Tom, I remember an orange ball was used because of the snow at the Norwich cup-tie in 1986. I can't find the goals online anywhere but they certainly appeared in one of the many videos that were released around that time (possibly from the first Official History that was released in 1987 and showed quite a lot of highlights from the 1985-86 Double season). Chris

Tom, Might have been Norwich at home 3rd round 4th January 1986. We won 5-0 in a snowstorm. Molby played but he didn't score although I think he set up at least one of our goals. We played Luton the following season (1986-87). This was the occasion after a 0-0 draw in Luton that they failed to turn up for the replay at Anfield, blaming poor weather conditions which they said meant they could not travel. There were thousands waiting patiently inside Anfield and I know people who drove up from the London area that day yet Luton were not penalised for failing to arrive for the replay. When it was eventually played, we again drew 0-0, lost the toss for the right to host the third match and went out 0-3 at Luton two days later.

Indeed they were :thumbup:

2007-08 season ticket prices are now on the official site http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/tickets/season.htm If I renew mine in the Lower Centenary before 5th July, it will cost me £650. After the 5th of July, it goes up to £700. This is the biggest difference I can ever remember between the 'before' and 'after' prices. It's the same £50 difference for all parts of the stadium.

Not really waiting no but I have kept records of all the soccer matches I have seen live since the 1960's so it doesn't take long to get facts and figures together if the question does turn up, as it has today!

I finished the 92 League clubs (as they were then) in April 1975 when I was 22 years old. Not sure how many of those were to watch Liverpool without checking through my records but probably about half. My current total which reflects the number of clubs that have moved is now one hundred and thirty-three, the latest of those being Doncaster's Keepmoat stadium a few weeks ago. I am now completely up-to-date again but you always have to plan ahead and see what is coming up so I know that there will be moves for both Shrewsbury and Milton Keynes in the summer. I will also need to get to Dagenham but hopefully the other club promoted from the Conference will be somewhere I have already visited. Chalking off the 92 today is still a fine achievement but at the time I completed the set 32 years ago my total included a number of clubs that later dropped out of the Football League, in some cases never to return ... like Barrow, Workington and Southport. Automatic promotion from the Conference has meant going to places like Kidderminster and Boston. I also try to watch a match if a club makes a temporary move ... Chester had a couple of years sharing with Macclesfield and a few years ago Bournemouth played several games in Dorchester. Chris

I don't post much but I wanted to share this with you today. Chris I didn’t go to the semi-final. It was at a time when I wasn’t able to go to many games but I remember being so nervous that afternoon that I went out for a walk just before 3 to take my mind off the game. It wasn’t any premonition that something terrible was going to happen; just the usual tension that most supporters feel before a really big game. I returned home during what should have been the half-time interval to be first confused and then horrified by the scenes that were being shown live by the BBC. At that time there wasn’t any definite news of casualties but as the afternoon turned into evening the true facts began to emerge. I spent hours on the telephone that week-end trying to find out if people I knew had been at the match were safe. Sadly four members of the London Branch on whose committee I had served for many years had died. I was also touched by so many people calling me, from as far away as America and Australia, just to make sure that I was alright. I tried to think and talk my way through it all but when I saw the television pictures of what was happening at Anfield in the first few days afterwards I knew I had to go there too, not just to pay my respects but because I felt that only then would I really believe what had happened. It might be a painful sight but at least then I could start to grieve properly. I made the long journey from north by car with a friend and her two children. Alison was from Liverpool and she had a contact in the club who met us when we arrived. Because of that connection I did feel somewhat guilty that we had walked straight into the main entrance and past people who had been queuing patiently for a long time. But once we had walked up onto the track by the side of the pitch guilt was replaced by something else that is almost impossible to describe as I looked at the Kop goal and the area in front of it before walking on to the Kop itself. There were thousands of people inside Anfield but almost no noise. The whole atmosphere was unreal but while standing on the Kop and looking out over the pitch I probably realised fully the enormity of what had happened. Almost every barrier on the terrace had scarves tied around it and flowers placed in front of it. To many of those tributes were attached personal messages that brought tears to your eyes just reading them, especially those placed by friends and family on the exact spot where some of the victims used to stand. I recall reading a note from a young fan who lived on the south coast and who had never been to Anfield. But he had sent his treasured scarf up with a message asking for someone to put it on the Kop with all the others. I made a note of his name and address and later sent him a card telling him his scarf was there with the rest. It would have been easy for the club to ignore such requests but they took the trouble to ensure that everything sent to them found its way out on to the pitch or the terrace. Some of those momentos must have meant a lot to the people that had sent them or took them to Anfield that week but they were prepared to let them go in memory of all their fellow supporters who had perished at Sheffield. I had a scarf with me which I had owned for years. It was just an ordinary red and white scarf. It didn’t even have the name “Liverpool” on it but it was special to me. I tied it symbolically and deliberately between two Everton scarves because their supporters were brilliant that week and showed that they were as hurt and angry as the red half of the city. Outside the stadium there were countless messages scrawled on the walls and almost as many beautiful poems, in which was perfectly conveyed the anger and sorrow of the authors about the needless loss of life. When I returned home that evening, emotionally drained after what I had seen and physically tired by several hours of driving, I tried to put my feelings down on paper too. I hope I won’t ever forget the people who died. I know I’ll never forget the day I went to Anfield to remember them. Here’s what I wrote at the end of that terribly sad and emotional day fifteen years ago : Standing on the Kop today Where I have stood for twenty years No men in red before my eyes But just the mist of bitter tears A broken-hearted city mourns The dead from Sheffield’s hell-hole trap No-one is here today to sing No-one is here to cheer or clap Ten thousand scarves before my eyes A hundred thousand flowers bloomed With words of love and tenderness For those whom Hillsborough’s death-trap doomed A part of me has died today Along with those who suffered there But what I see before me now Must bring me hope through my despair I had to come and share my grief For ninety-six who won’t be home Bill Shankly’s arms are open wide With him they’ll NEVER walk alone

Earlier poster seems to think it's Guangdong not Shanghai. Whichever it is is working fine for me so I hope it works for others too. Chris

Think it's the Shanghai option. Open Windows Media Player then hit one of the PLAY buttons that are on the LEFT (the RIGHT Play buttons don't seem to work. Not sure why.). If the first PLAY button doesn't work, try one of the other ones. Don't think you need anything other than WMP. Hope you get in ! Chris

http://www.asiaplate.com/members.php Absolutely perfect picture. Watched a few matches this way recently but never had as good a picture as I am getting tonight. Chris

Crouch Song is called "The Quartermaster's Store"

Liverpool have only won 8 league matches in the calendar year 2005 (26 played). None of those victories were against "big" clubs. Here's the list : Charlton, Fulham, Everton, Bolton, Portsmouth, Aston Villa, Sunderland & Blackburn. Liverpool have only won 4 out of 13 away league matches in the calendar year 2005. Liverpool haven't won a league match by more than one goal since they beat Fulham 3-1 on 5th February (20 matches ago). That was also the last time the team scored more than twice in a league match. There have been only 23 Liverpool goals in the 26 league matches played so far in the year 2005. That's the League. Now let's look at Europe : Liverpool have played 16 European matches in the calendar year 2005, of which they have won 11 (and I am only counting the final as a draw because it wasn't won in 'normal time' so you can call it 12 if you want to). 9 of those 16 matches were away. The team has lost NONE of them (6 wins & 3 draws ... that's again counting the final as only a draw). The team has scored 29 goals in those 16 matches. There were 7 victories by more than one goal and there were 7 occasions when the team scored more than twice. So what does that tell us ? Well, these are only statistics of course ... and statistics can sometimes hide the truth ... but not the whole truth. The team has scored 6 MORE goals in Europe compared to the League despite playing 10 matches LESS. The team has 2 MORE away wins in Europe compared to the League despite playing 4 matches LESS. And the question we need to ask is ... WHY is there such a difference ? Yes, the standard of some of the opposition in Europe was fairly weak but that also applies to the League. Both Crystal Palace & Southampton were relegated but Liverpool lost both away matches without scoring a single goal in those defeats. What has been happening THIS season is only a continuation of LAST season. But because Liverpool won the Champions' League, I think a lot of people have forgotten just what a poor record the team has in domestic league matches. Shankly used to call the League "our bread and butter". Winning in Europe is very nice but it is the League that really matters. Since Liverpool last won the domestic championship, they have only seriously threatened to win it again three times. In 1991 & 2002 when they finished runners-up to Arsenal; and in 1997 when they finished 4th. But it was close that season. IF the team had beaten Coventry and United at home in April (instead of losing to them), they would have finished top ! "IF" is a big word though. Already this season we are probably looking at 4th place as being the absolute best we could manage. The "Big Three" isn't going to turn into the "Big Four" this season. And that is frustrating because Liverpool IS the biggest club in the country when it comes to trophies won. But trophies won is the Past. What is happening now is the Present. Already behind in League matches because of having to play 3 qualifying rounds in the Champions' League, the team will go further behind when they travel to Japan in December. The League table doesn't lie, even though Liverpool have played less matches than anyone else. Right now the table doesn't look good and we will always be playing catch-up this season. Here's another fact to consider : In 1981-82 Aston Villa won the European Champions' Cup (when it was only for champions) but finished 11th in the league, a massive 30 points behind the winners (Liverpool). But there wasn't really a "Big Three" then. The league championship was much more open ... and we realise that when we look at the ELEVEN championships Liverpool have won in modern times (1973 onwards) and find TEN different clubs finishing as runners-up ... Arsenal, QPR, Manchester City, Nottingham Forest, Manchester United (twice), Ipswich, Watford, Southampton, Everton & Aston Villa. That wouldn't happen today because the game has changed but you could argue that Liverpool finishing 4th 37 points behind Chelsea last season (and winning the European Cup) is much the same as Villa finishing 30 points behind Liverpool in 1982 and doing the same. Until yesterday I wasn't over-concerned at the league form. Sure, it hadn't been pretty to watch and goals were hard to find but there had only been 1 defeat from the opening 7 matches compared to 3 from the opening 7 a year ago. Ironically, the 8th match in both seasons has been away to Fulham and quite a contrast. A year ago a thrilling comeback to turn a two-goal half-time deficit into victory; but yesterday a sad capitulation that was a repetition of so many away matches last season. But calls for the manager's head are absolutely ridiculous. He is only just starting the second year of his reign. He inherited a lot of problems and maybe he hasn't bought wisely in some cases but could any manager say they have a perfect record in the transfer market ? Benitez built his Valencia team on a strong defence before their more adventurous side came to the fore. If you don't concede goals, you won't lose many games. But it’s also true that if you don't score enough goals, you won't win many either. In the modern game where success is so important, supporters get impatient more quickly. Was what happened in Istanbul a false dawn or will it be the prelude to another golden age ? I don't know. Nobody does. It is too early to say. Does the responsibility rest with the manager or does it lie higher up ? We all have an opinion and debate is good. But I feel that some people are getting too carried away with their comments. We've always been proud to support Liverpool and we always will be. We share the good times and the bad together. But we have to get things in perspective there too. Remember that we achieve what others dream about (according to one banner). The standards have been set and we don't want the bar to be lowered when it comes to our expectations of achievement and success. These might be worrying times when you look at the overall picture but it doesn't mean the good times won't come back. As the subject says, Keep the Faith !

"It's between England and Brazil lads. ;) And with Brazil having never won it in Europe then the odds are on England" So Sweden isn't in Europe then ? :no 1958 World Cup Final : Sweden v Brazil in Stockholm

As Drewy indicated, Heysel certainly didn't help but then neither did three cup final defeats to Liverpool in the same decade! :yes: As for today's Blues, I think many of them are even more bitter (if that's possible?) than the previous generation. God knows how they would have reacted if the F.A. had confirmed months ago as they maybe should have done that IF an English club won the Champions League but finished outside the top four they would automatically take the spot of the 4th placed club. They should also remember that if it hadn't been for Liverpool's 2001 success in the UEFA cup, only three Champions' League places might be available now to English clubs; granted we could say the same about United's success in 1999 helping us to qualify for the Champions' League just won (and a lovely irony there is in that!). And now to keep the bitterness overflowing, Everton have finished above Liverpool for the first time since Noah was a lad and we've only pissed on their party by winning Old Big Ears again!! :tease:

"Does anyone know of a website that has the goals on them." Try : http://cham.abu-jassim.com/b/liercosen.wmv http://cham.abu-jassim.com/b/liverpool1.wmv http://cham.abu-jassim.com/b/liverpool2.wmv http://cham.abu-jassim.com/b/liverpool3.wmv Italian commentary but good quality ! I've just checked and they all still work ok !

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this before but apologies if they have. BBC2 are scheduled to have a 30 minute programme at 11.20 on BBC2 on Tuesday evening 14th December. It's part of their "Design for Life" series and is "a documentary profile of Australian footballer turned boot designer Craig Johnston". Should be interesting. Chris

I think it's well worth getting. I've watched the two videotapes but the 2 x dvd set has some bonus items like the goals from all three UEFA cup finals. Don't think I had seen the two saved penalties in the first leg of the 1973 final since the time. So I had forgotten just what a brilliant save Ray Clemence made that night. There's 30 minutes from each of the 4 finals. True, the 1978 & 1981 games weren't classics but they were great occasions. Only the first Rome final has to my knowledge ever been officially released. Many supporters will only have ever seen the goals from these finals. There are lots of interviews as well from different players involved in the cup runs. So yes, I would definitely recommend this. Oh, they also show a few clips from earlier rounds that haven't been seen for ages, Benfica away '78 springs to mind as an example. Good value for the price. I was lucky to be at the first three finals so they brought back a lot of good memories. But those who weren't there will still enjoy this record of a remarkable period in the club's history. Chris

and here's what the very same man had to say at the start of this month : Millwall chairman Theo Paphitis intends to write to European football's governing body listing a series of problems at the ground. Racial abuse was aimed at Millwall's black players, which club security chief Ken Chapman claimed was the worst he had heard in football for 15 years. Heavy-handed stewarding and poor facilities may also be mentioned in the report. Paphitis was adamant his club's fans behaved well throughout the trip, but he hit out at Ferencvaros and their setup. He said: "Even as a kid I cannot remember it being as bad as that. "It was like going back into the dismal time of football that we all try to forget. "It was all the things we have spent the last six years trying to put behind us and move forward. "We could not leave our seats during the game due to the extra police who had to be summoned to protect us. A variety of things kept flying over. Anything from drink to coins and bits of food. "When there are women and children there it is not on. It did get hairy at one stage and we missed about 10 minutes of the game because we had to turn around to deal with it. "I also heard racial chanting and the delegate will be reporting it." Please put your own house in order Mr. Paphitis before you start criticising other people's.