Report: Sunderland keeper viewed as Kelleher replacement if he departs in summer

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And if the time does arise that Liverpool are on the lookout for a backup you sense they will look for a prospect in the mould of Patterson rather than a seasoned veteran with not too many miles left on the clock.

Why? They aren't going to play. 

My advice is, dont buy your keepers from Sunderland. 

I'm not sure why Patterson would come here to be a backup player?

I do think Kelleher needs to move on for the sake of his own career. 

44 minutes ago, Code said:

My advice is, dont buy your keepers from Sunderland. 

Amen. 

39 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

I'm not sure why Patterson would come here to be a backup player?

 

I do think Kelleher needs to move on for the sake of his own career. 

You'd have to assume we know Ali is ready to move on at some point and he can come in and have a year or two before replacing Ali. 

7 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

You'd have to assume we know Ali is ready to move on at some point and he can come in and have a year or two before replacing Ali. 

I dread to even think about that day!

3 hours ago, Megadrive Man said:

 

I dread to even think about that day!

Aye, but it'll happen at some point. 

Hopefully in about 8 years 

4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

You'd have to assume we know Ali is ready to move on at some point and he can come in and have a year or two before replacing Ali. 

If our plan on replacing Alisson is signing a 23 year old Championship keeper, and then playing him in a handful of league cup games over the next two or three years to ensure he doesn't actually develop at all, then everyone at the club should be thrown in the sea.

9 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

If our plan on replacing Alisson is signing a 23 year old Championship keeper, and then playing him in a handful of league cup games over the next two or three years to ensure he doesn't actually develop at all, then everyone at the club should be thrown in the sea.

it might just be 12 months. 

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

it might just be 12 months. 

I don't know if that's better or worse, to honest. 

You can't fuck around with goalkeepers, we as a club should know that better than most having pissed away seasons with the likes of Mignolet and Karius, and the various turds pre Reina.

5 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

I don't know if that's better or worse, to honest. 

 

You can't fuck around with goalkeepers, we as a club should know that better than most having pissed away seasons with the likes of Mignolet and Karius, and the various turds pre Reina.

Ali spent 12 months on the bench at Roma playing just 4 Italian cup games before spending 12 months showing us he was the world's best keeper. He'll have been about the same age at the time. 

10 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

it might just be 12 months. 

If it was 12 months to two years, we could send Kelleher on loan next season. Unless we've decided we don't think he's capable of being the number one here. 

4 hours ago, Barrington Womble said:

 

You'd have to assume we know Ali is ready to move on at some point and he can come in and have a year or two before replacing Ali. 

Sickening.

1 minute ago, Barrington Womble said:

Ali spent 12 months on the bench at Roma playing just 4 Italian cup games before spending 12 months showing us he was the world's best keeper. He'll have been about the same age at the time. 

He was first choice for one of the best teams in Italy and cost about 65m six years ago, I'm not sure that's particularly comparable to someone who plays for the 7th best team in our second division.

4 minutes ago, Megadrive Man said:

 

If it was 12 months to two years, we could send Kelleher on loan next season. Unless we've decided we don't think he's capable of being the number one here. 

i don't think Kelleher will ever be our number one. i would be selling him as soon as there's a decent offer. 

1 minute ago, Jairzinho said:

 

He was first choice for one of the best teams in Italy and cost about 65m six years ago, I'm not sure that's particularly comparable to someone who plays for the 7th best team in our second division.

 

he was first choice for one season only. He was there for 2 and spent his 1st year on the bench playing 4 cup games. why would it not be a fair comparison, it's exactly what I am saying could be a possibility for this lad - but we effectively cut roma or whoever out as the middle man. 

7 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

he was first choice for one season only. He was there for 2 and spent his 1st year on the bench playing 4 cup games. why would it not be a fair comparison, it's exactly what I am saying could be a possibility for this lad - but we effectively cut roma or whoever out as the middle man. 

Ok, but in your example we are Roma.

It is an enormous gamble and one I hope we don't take.

You have to treat your second choice keeper as a commodity more than any other player and expect, if you have a good one, that they are going to be sold on and replaced on a semi-regular basis because of the nature of the position.

If you sign the keeper from Sunderland then you're developing him hoping he becomes a viable No.1 for you but knowing that in reality he's just a player you're going to put in the shop window in cup games and hope that you can sell on for a profit in the future.

Same goes for all the young keepers we have on the books.

16 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Ok, but in your example we are Roma.

 

It is an enormous gamble and one I hope we don't take.

Sure it's a gamble. But you're not paying big money to sit a lad on the bench forever are you? If he doesn't look good, you still go to market and buy Ali's replacement and you'll move on an English keeper. No matter what we do, when it comes to replacing Ali, it's going to be fucking hard and a gamble of some form. And whoever replaces him will be worse. 

There's probably stats somewhere but I imagine the number of second choice keepers (especially those who sit behind an established No.1 for more than a season or two) who go on to become first choice at the same club is tiny.

I assume the whole point of buying a million 16 year old keepers in the last few years was to try to always have a homegrown backup, like Kelleher, behind Alisson. Why we buying some guy from Sunderland?

7 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

I assume the whole point of buying a million 16 year old keepers in the last few years was to try to always have a homegrown backup, like Kelleher, behind Alisson. Why we buying some guy from Sunderland?

There was the idea of a goalkeeping school https://archive.ph/qNSjA but that's not something that will yield immediate results and with Pitaluga/Jaros/Barnes(?) the most 'ready' we're probably a while off from it being in full effect.

Imagine we need to bridge the gap between 1st and 3rd choice from outside this summer if Kelleher goes.

4 hours ago, 3 Stacks said:

I assume the whole point of buying a million 16 year old keepers in the last few years was to try to always have a homegrown backup, like Kelleher, behind Alisson. Why we buying some guy from Sunderland?

Well if the link is legit, you would assume it's because the lad has something special about him. 

41 minutes ago, Barrington Womble said:

Well if the link is legit, you would assume it's because the lad has something special about him. 

As a Kelleher replacement to be backup? A special keeper is not signing with us to do that.