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A Few Thoughts from the Match: Liverpool 1 Burnley 1

1. Sigh.

 

*Be positive, be positive, be positive*

 

2. Salah is a cracking signing: pace, touch, movement, goals. Is right.

3. We played some decent stuff in the first half.

 

4. Erm...

 

5. I accept that we need to rotate this season, but seven changes? And why not make The Ox one of them? £40m surely gets you a start versus Burnley.

 

6. Not that the bench was relevant until there was almost no point. The game had died for us in an attacking sense at least twenty minutes before the subs even warmed up. Why not make a bolder change, sooner?

 

7. Our defending is unacceptable. How does a former centre half coach amazing attacking football while failing to effect any change whatsoever in our defending?

 

8. Joel Matip was soft as, throughout. Everyone gives it loads about Lovren and Klavan, but how is this bloke any better?

 

9. I've had just about enough of Klopp berating the fans. Jurgen - we get it: you think we're knob 'eds. Carry on like this though and you'll see the feeling become rapidly mutual. The goodwill drains audibly with every touch line tantrum you throw at your own fans. This is your team playing your football. If you don't like the way we react to Groundhog Day matches, change something.

 

10. By my reckoning we had four corner takers today. That tells you everything you need to know about both their quality and the importance placed upon them by the manager.

 

11. Despite the drudgery of recent results, it's right to remember that our general trajectory and current situation is good. It feels hard though after a 5-0 beating and two weak draws that exhibited all the same old problems.

 

12. We need to break out of this cycle of getting loads of chances but only taking one or two, while simultaneously conceding from only one or two shots on target. This is fundamental stuff and anyone not concerned by it is just not paying attention.

 

13. I really respect Klopp's commitment to the long term and also to player development, but he needs to get this season bouncing - and quickly. A bit of short-termisn wouldn't go amiss in that regard: get a full strength side out against Leicester for both games because things will get hairy if we see another 180 minutes of the same old same old.

 

Paul Natton

@OxtonSoulBoy

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jimmycase

The one when Klopp went mad was well before that. Probably about 20 mins to go, but I'm guessing there. That'll be the one Jockey is referring to.

 

OK, fair enough, dont recollect that one though.

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scousewillis

Jurgen Klopp believes that atmosphere is the key player in a football match. It is the one factor that tilted the balance of bundesliga in his favor for 2 years and took hid Dortmund team to the champions league final. And it is the one factor that made him want the Liverpool job. He believes in its power, and I can understand his frustration at not having it. You may disagree with his vision or the value he places on it ... fair enough but at least see where he comes from and don't accuse him of being "full of himself" because that is definitely not the case. This is a man who wears his heart on his sleeve and we will struggle big time when the time comes to replace him.

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Paul

Whatever you say, chief. Agree to disagree. Things will never improve this way.

 

The entitlement of old upper and middle-class people is the problem here. Get some youth in, especially poor youth, and Anfield could be turned into a cauldron.

You're right about youth. Way off on class though - in The Kop at least. Can't speak for the toffs in the posh seats.
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Jurgen Klopp believes that atmosphere is the key player in a football match. It is the one factor that tilted the balance of bundesliga in his favor for 2 years and took hid Dortmund team to the champions league title. And it is the one factor that made him want the Liverpool job. He believes in its power, and I can understand his frustration at not having it. You may disagree with his vision or the value he places on it ... fair enough but at least see where he comes from and don't accuse him of being "full of himself" because that is definitely not the case. This is a man who wears his heart on his sleeve and we will struggle big time when the time comes to replace him.

Atmosphere is a partnership between team and fans. If one side doesn't turn up, the other finds it hard. The fans always start pretty well - YNWA is always given a never less than decent airing before kick off - but tail off if the pace or aggression is poor. However, there's always a response to even little moments like a strong tackle or a great pass. If that isn't built upon by the players though, inevitably things settle down in the stands.
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russ1979

Whatever you say, chief. Agree to disagree. Things will never improve this way.

 

The entitlement of old upper and middle-class people is the problem here. Get some youth in, especially poor youth, and Anfield could be turned into a cauldron.

"Poor youth"

What we gonna do charter flights from Eastern Europe.

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scousewillis

There is no lack of effort from the team. They play the most intense football in the league and they run themselves to tbe ģround for us. Some positions may require an upgrade but that is something Klopp is working on albeit he wants the right players rather than more average ones. Meanwhile all he is asking is to get behind the ones we have until the right alternatives become available. This team would finish mid table with any other manager.

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Tony Moanero

You're right about youth. Way off on class though - in The Kop at least. Can't speak for the toffs in the posh seats.

Yeah, plenty of older fans who are not particularly wealthy still go the game. For example, my dad, who is celebrating his 70th birthday today, has always lived in a council house and never had anything more than an average job.

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Rotpeter

Whatever you say, chief. Agree to disagree. Things will never improve this way.

 

The entitlement of old upper and middle-class people is the problem here. Get some youth in, especially poor youth, and Anfield could be turned into a cauldron. 

Hmmm... the Klopp Youth.

 

Could work.  

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Tony Moanero

I like Klopp, but I find it a bit daft that Liverpool fans, in this day and age, are so eager to put our managers on a pedestal, often before they've achieved an awful lot here, and that they fall over themselves to hang off the manager's every word.

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stringvest

I like Klopp, but I find it a bit daft that Liverpool fans, in this day and age, are so eager to put our managers on a pedestal, often before they've achieved an awful lot here, and that they fall over themselves to hang off the manager's every word.

 

 

the city's always liked a deity.

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BCM

Klopp's mantra is you support the team from kick off to final whistle. Have your moan after the final whistle not, give the players grief during the game (although I could understand some of the frustration in the ground today). He isnt looking for self adulation during the game either as he believes that detracts from giving support to the team.

 

It appears some people want Klopp to bend to their way of showing support rather than bending to his. If people arent prepared to buy into Klopp's way then, there's going to be a division created between the manager and a section of some of the fans.

 

We all know the support inside Anfield bar the big games has been shit for ages. Like you say he will be amazed at the difference between the bundesliga and here.

But then the football is run in Germany for the fans not for the corporate dollar.,(they pay half as much for match tickets and get free public transport with that ticket).  Its why i jibbed it ages ago, feel for the younger generation.

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scousewillis

I thought the same during the first few weeks of Klopp's arrival. However, after 2 years I saw enough to subscribe to his vision of what a football club should be like. The holy trinity of fans, players, and manager as Shanks used to say ... it was never a case of get your own house in order first in Shanks's time ..

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Tony Moanero

the city's always liked a deity.

True. I just find it extremely difficult to care too much about football managers and players, given the way top level football has gone and the insane wages that these people earn.

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Paul

The real atmosphere died when The Kop went all seater. There's no way in the world you'll get the same atmosphere with fellas siting down with mostly strangers than you will when groups of 5, 10 or even 20 mates - often half-cut - are bouncing around next to each other.

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scousewillis

The real atmosphere died when The Kop went all seater. There's no way in the world you'll get the same atmosphere with fellas siting down with mostly strangers than you will when groups of 5, 10 or even 20 mates - often half-cut - are bouncing around next to each other.

True that.

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Tony Moanero

I thought the same during the first few weeks of Klopp's arrival. However, after 2 years I saw enough to subscribe to his vision of what a football club should be like. The holy trinity of fans, players, and manager as Shanks used to say ... it was never a case of get your own house in order first in Shanks's time ..

The manager and players are barely allowed to sign autographs for fans.

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