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Hello chaps Going on the train on Sunday and I've heard there's a certain station to try and stop at before the main Bolton one. Anyone got any ideas? Cheers

I want achievements to talk about. Achievements that our rivals will look upon with jealousy. The Europa Cup is not one of those achievements. If I saw the Mancs lifting it, I'd feel nothing. If I saw them lifting the FA Cup or the Champions League, it'd be horrible. We're not gonna win the title, so let's go for the next best thing. FA Cup this year and CL qualification for next. Remember, our two best players are sicknotes. Torres is permacrocked and Stevie's a grandad. Either of them's season could be ended by some nasty tackle from some awful Shakthar Donetsk nobody or something. That ain't a risk I'm willing to take.

This is interesting, and I guess it tells me what I wanted to know from my initial post. From what I've gagued from this thread, people's protests are not based on personal principle. This isn't a case of "I won't line their pockets with my hard-earned money.", but more an active effort to make a dent in their income from the club. That's perfectly fair of course. However I would urge the people who will continue to go on games to reconsider their criticism of fans who are buying the shirts. As we've established in this thread, attending games has (criminally) become a privelege. For the lucky few who have that privelege, that's your way of showing your support for the club. For the millions of other fans, wearing the colours is their only way to show that pride and faith. Having that ticket is vital to you, just as having that shirt is vital to them. If you've rescinded your ST as someone above has done, fair enough. You're entitled to say anything, and I respect you a lot for that commitment. Regardless of the circumstances rescinding one's ST would have, while you're still making that colossal payment year-in year-out, you're in a very fragile glass house when it comes to throwing stones at shirt wearers.

Surely that renders any other form of financial boycott you enter into pointless? The fact you won't abscond it because "someone else will only buy it" is irrelevant? I thought the shirt boycotts were a case of: "I will not line the pockets of the men ruining my club." Your stance comes across as: "If I don't pay into the G&H brand, someone else will, so I might as well carry on doing so." ??

Forgive me if I'm being a turbomong, but can someone explain to me why it's unacceptable to spend £40 on the shirt but perfectly reasonable to spend £680 on a season ticket? I'm not trying to be a nipple here chaps - I genuinely want to know what people's thoughts are on this.

Although - I love the detail on the flames on the badge. Heard a red ranting about how crap our badge is the other day, saying it was cluttered with bullshit. Massive phrenulum.

Hate that third kit. Black is not a Liverpool colour. I have no happy memories of us playing in black, apart from Nando silencing the Stretford End last season in it. That didn't last long though. Love the home kit but please give us a green one again sometime soon.

Are you boycotting going on the games?

Is it just me or do those photographs look hugely doctored!? I'm not doubting that he's signed or anything but they look like those naff mock-ups people do of superstars in our shirts! Like that one of Villa with Torres both in Liverpool kits! I'm happy about this signing though. Hopefully a nice parting gift on behalf of Rafa!

How do! Just after a quick show of hands from anyone on here of the ages mentioned above. I'm 20 myself and could count the number of similarly-aged fans on me right hand that I know personally. I'm in the planning stages of a little project I'm thinking of doing, and I'd love to hear from Reds born around 89-91. Cheers lads.

Who's going?

This Jovanovic might be pretty good, but how many hyped-up European 'stars' has Rafa signed in the past three years that have done anything? Torres is literally the only one. I don't have high hopes for Jovanovic either based on the fact we're getting him free. There's also the fact that Rafa signs people and plays them out of position. Babel, Kuyt, Lucas being the most obvious examples of this bonkers side to his management 'skills'. We need wide players who have class on the ball and end product. I'd like Gareth Bale or David Silva. I'd love Lennon on the right too. I don't think people realise how wank we are on that right wing. Dirk Kuyt's shocking first touch and Maxi Rodriguez' all-round rubbishness are all we have at the moment. Priority number 1 is a striker, though, obvs.

Selling Insua would be silly. We have one left back in our squad and it's him. He's very shit at the moment because of all the pressure on his shoulders. Last season he looked great. He was more relaxed. He's too young and inexperienced to be first choice. Defo sell Yossi for £9m though. Great business. But yeah - depleting our squad of a position we're already struggling to fill is madness. Then again, Rafa sold a great right-back at a shocking price last season, and replaced him with someone costing us £18m. God knows what he'll do with Insua.

Good Lord.

City win. The league's over. The only competition we're still in is the tinpot euros. The only thing worse than us flopping all over the place would be United getting their 19th.

Anyone else get the impression the thread-starter's a bit mental? About halfway through the initial post I was expecting to read something like "As an Evertonian..." or "As a United fan...". Bonkers.

Blue and white scarves would be a lot better than those black and white shirts. First of all, as I said earlier in the thread - it'd stun the media. The Reds wearing the colours of their oldest rivals. It'd grab the headlines. Secondly, it's cheaper. We're sick of shelling out silly amounts of money to support the club. Asking people to spend £30 on a shirt to protest - although well-intentioned - is unrealistic. Dunno about everyone else but I'm skint! Who cares if it's picking up on the Mancs' ideas? There's a lot more at stake here than a bit of face with regards to our rivals. This is about survival. Blue protest, I say.

Really don't mean to sound melodramatic, but I'm totally pessimistic regarding our short-term future. In the nineteen years that I've been alive, I've dreamed of us finding our feet and overcoming this 20 year 'blip', returning to the kind of club we used to be. There isn't anyone involved with the club at the moment that I feel any affection for though. If we stick with our current staff (Rafa, Sammy, Pellegrino, Macia etc.), I think the damage they'll do will be irrevocable for a number of years. As for the players themselves, every one of them is an embarrassment to the club this season. The majority of them aren't anywhere near world class. The ones with the highest ability conduct themselves in a way that I associate with other clubs. Whether it's in over-acting or just plain petulance to the officials, their attitudes really bring me down. I always thought we were better than that. I'll always get behind the team and sing my heart out when I'm on the game. But unless big things happen this summer, I'm not holding my breath that the next few years are gonna be much better than the ones I've seen so far.

No thanks. Out of the endless line of 'wonderkids' Rafa's brought to this club, how many of them have done anything? Can we count Torres as a wonderkid? Bit old, int he? I'm sick to fucking death of having to put up with year-after-year of half-baked, over-priced dogdirt signings, while I look over my shoulder and seeing the rest of the top 4 or 5 buying quality players. Wenger signs Arshavin. Rafa signs Babel. Mancini signs Adam Johnson. Rafa signs Maxi. He's already ruined the Academy, and if Rafa continues making such dreadful signings, he'll ruin this club for a good few years.

I like how we have more red than this year's, but it's still not enough. I'd also like to see white cuffs. The logo's crap. Squiggley lines on football shirts = bad. I'm not superstitious, but since we've been Carlsberg, we've not been that great have we? So hopefully things will change. This does look really weird though. Being 19 I've known only Carlsberg. I won't be buying it unless big things happen in the summer, either.

I was talking with a bunch of old-timers in the boozer last night and this old debate came up. Hypothetically: Say grounds were allowed to use terraces instead of seats again. Then during the construction of our new stadium, the club offered a vote amongst fans as to whether they'd like to see terraces or seats in the new Kop - but seating everywhere else. How would you vote? Obviously, because of what happened this month 21 years ago (RIP 96), we'll never go back to standing. I don't want to start a painful debate about Hillsborough, but from all I know about it, it was solely down to the bastard police overfilling the stand - as opposed to the fact they weren't being seated. I know a lot of people saw the move to seat the terraces as a move to appease the families seeking justice - instead of growing the balls to prosecute the police officers responsible.

If we're lumbered with our current millstone of a manager: no - get rid. If we're freed of his oppressive, negative regression: yes, I'd like to see what he can do when given right man management.

quick answer: no longer answer: anyone who disagrees is incredibly deluded

This ^ Again, the gaffer's to blame - not the player. He doesn't have the ability. Yet he's a nailed on starter. It's a case of Rafa leaving us short by signing dogshit and then offloading without replacing. The pressure's all on a shit youngster's shoulders. He looked better last year when he was more relaxed, just getting a run-out when we could risk it.

This summer will define who Mourinho is. If he joins Man City, he'll be forever remembered as a man who goes where money is. A man whose success is concurrent with his budgets. If he joins Liverpool, history will be kinder to him and rightly so. We're a challenge, and we'd give him the perfect opportunity to prove his quality over financial adversity.