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If anyone needs tickets I've got 4 silver tickets together that I'm selling for $60 each, face value $80. Or if someone wants all 4 they can have them for $200. I'll be at the match so can meet anyone who wants them in the afternoon. 0487121146

Anyone going the match in Melbourne? I'm travelling in Australia at the moment, well supposed to be travelling, more stuck in Adelaide!!! But going to Melbourne for the match. Does anyone know where its likely the masses will congregate, is there a good square of bars or anything like that?

You're probably correct. Which means Villa - Everton - Sunderland here we come.

Could the stadium costs, be it a new build or redevelopment not be met by pre-selling season tickets to raise capital? If the club offered an 8 year season ticket from the season the stadium opens for £5000, meaning fans could save about £1800 and not be at risk to future price rises, would people want it? If the club managed to sell 60k 8 year season tickets at 5k, that’d raise £300m. I’m not saying they would, cos finding 5k would be difficult; maybe the club could look to work with a bank and offer a credit card for it or something. But in theory it’d be enough for a new ground before any naming rights etc. were brought in. At the moment, I’m guessing numbers, 40k ST holders paying £800 so bringing in £32m a year. So it’d mean that for 8 seasons we’re £32m down, so like Arsenal we’d have to be a bit shrewder in the transfer market and that’s shit. But a lot of the costs would be negated by the shitty stadium naming rights and the amount of extra income coming in from cup and European games. Not sure on the details but isn’t their some enhanced deal from Sky and BT coming, so use that to cover the costs a bit, fuck just adding it to players wages and agents fees. Does anyone think that’d work? I’m just sick of reading through all the shit in transfer threads and theirs loads of good points in the FSG letter thread, but it seems all it boils down to is the revenue we lose every match day to our competitors. I love the idea of these American marketing men expanding the brand and reaping the benefits, and fair play on the Standard Chartered and Warrior deals, they appear genuinely good deals, but that’s as much a reflection on the poor commercial running of the club from previous regimes as it’s a positive on FSG’s behalf. I’ve just spent a couple of months in Bangkok and Bangkok loves Liverpool FC. Thailand as a whole supports United, but Bangkok mostly Liverpool with United close behind. But nobody buys any proper gear, I bought a pretty decent copy of the warrior shirt about a week after it was released for £6. Copied stuff everywhere. Don’t get me wrong, these countries are getting richer and theirs a growing middle class who want the proper thing, but their support changes so easy that the main thing is if you want cash is your good on the pitch. The only way I can see these fans pay is by advertisements in live games, so the way to raise money is to be on the tele and City were on the tele when Aguero won the league and not coincidentally, a load of blag City shirts were been knocked out warehouses in Bangkok the next day. The only way we can hope to continually be a force in the game is to get the stadium built, most of our other big problems are a consequence of this major fucking one that’s gone on for 20 years. If not the idea above has anyone got any suggestions? Big clubs make money out of these foreign markets via sponsors and other companies. In Bangkok Chelsea and United players are on the sides of the sky train in association with Singha and a motorbike company makes the official LFC and MUFC scooters and bikes. But its only big clubs, Chang beer has no association with Everton in Thailand, I might have seen 1 thing at a shitty town. Instead all their advertisements are with Barca as their Asian representatives or some shite - it doesn't matter how good you are at marketting if what you've got on the pitch is shite. To get quality on the pitch year after year we need a stadium.

Spot on. Put this man in the middle and just let FSG become investors, who through meetings with the middle man set up annual budgets. As you say much easier to sound board between Rodgers and FSG if this mans in place and Barwick carries the gravitas.

If FFP comes in successfully, which to be fair I doubt. But if it does then surely this will lead to clubs looking to get rid of senior squad fringe players on the cheap. If this is just around the corner it'll be nice to have some ammunition in our spends to take advantage of it. If City wanna sign a superstar on £200K a week it could be where they need to get rid of 2 players on £100K a week and will look to do deals on paying % of contracts. Stab in the dark at optimism on what has been a load of shite. On a sidenote I took it that any money invested so far by FSG was on the back of the Torres and Babbel sales + a normal years spending. I was still looking for the money they saved with the 'epic swindle' to be pumped in, in order to increase the value of their asset.

Good post. As yet I haven't looked into the new BT and sly money that is coming in on the next deal. For me its got to the point in england where any extra cash coming in goes to the fans via cheaper tickets. The last place anyone wants extra money to go is players and agents. I was dismayed to hear Henry talking how unlucky we were been in poor little Liverpool and we can't charge the average cost per seat of London clubs. ST £800 a year x 80 years = £64K Or 3.5 days of Joe Coles wages. I will not be happy to see that figure rise to £1000 a year and £80K, for this still to be 3.5 days of Joe Coles wages.

I know what you mean. But nows not the time.

Just googled her. The lucky twat. Berger, Riise, Ruddock, Molby simultaneous shots!

Rodgers talking of being strategic. At the very least he's using this to tell other clubs we might be looking to buy from that money is an issue for us, we were ripped off when we made it clear we were gonna have a spend. I think this is just good business, Agger goes, great loss, but still good money. Hopefully he stays and it drives down the price of our targets in the mean time.

6 picks in and nobodies picked Liverpool?! Wish I was at home to cane you all with Suarez. Good shout this, hope it works.

Aurelio and Rob Jones! So unfortunate for them and us, if it wasn't for injuries would have both been exceptional.

You're confusing forum fans with actual fans. Its a shame as a forum should be an extension of the pub with decent debate that can be had with people who are knowledgeable on the subject. However, theirs too many loud nobs, who if they were in the pub would be ridiculed/twatted. I really hope that people don't think LFC is what is on forums. I don't read other clubs forums but I imagine the same goes for them. Maybe the bigger the club you are the worse it is.

While the Danny Wilson, Paul Jewell, Phil Brown potential comparisons are a cause for concern, I'd really be quite happy with Brendan Rodgers. He seems to have that bit about him that could make the difference. His style is certainly imposed upon the team, it could be pointed out so is Pulis' on Stoke, but Rodgers style of football I would be happy to see here, although he will have to be a little more expansive than Swansea were; I lived with a Swansea fan last year so seen a bit of them and while they had loadsa possesion if you looked at the action areas on the pitch they were actually ultra defensive, with little done in the final third. However Rodgers cant be criticised for this as the fact a club expected to go straight down had the lions share of possesion in the vast majority of games is an acheivment in its self. His challenge will be here to make that game plan more expansive. I wanted Rafa, but if we get Rodgers Im obviously fully behind him, (I would have been with Martinez, but with many more reservations) I think he has the potential, he comes across well sounding and looking like a leader. If he can get swansea passing like that then think what he could do with our players. I really hope its him now as will be gutted if it turns out to be Martinez after this.

Evans - Houllier. That worked well.

Reporter: Question Whelan: Straight answer I know its rare, but nothing to beat the guy with.

I could be way off the mark here, but I don't think a stadium has ever been on the cards since Moores left. Its took big an investment for yank, business gamblers, to make. It means you have to sit around years to get your cash back and recession hit uk and europe is not a good place for pumping large sums into for the next 10 years. The fact that unemployments rising and fuel costs are only going to rise makes it even more daunting to speculate to accumulate. If we did build upto 65k then I reckon for at least a 1/4 of our games some of those tickets would go for next to nothing. Ive got a ST but since the Everton semi Ive been in SE Asia, it hasn't been that easy for my dad to get rid of the ticket for some of the end of season dead rubbers. Personally I think the main reason these guys are in it is to exploit markets in the east, as its getting a wealthy middle class, who already or will soon all own ipads. My thinking is that all their waiting for is to get some personal hold on the broadcasting rights and to sell it round the world through an app. Its the only reason I can see for american investors knocking round the premier league, making returns on football clubs is too difficult at the moment, they must have seen or been sold the potential on something. No way these fellas are here to build something for the good of the club for the next 50 years, theyll more than likely be gone in 5.

Spot on. Lets be ridiculous and say you had to sign a 1000 autographs a day and it took 2 hours everyday, well after your 4 hours training a day, your working day would become 6 hours, but surely thats not fair for £80k a week!

Barnes is a really eloquent communicator, particularly noticed on the Suarez-Evra affair. He gets the club and really should be taken on in some capacity. Fuck knows what it is Viera does at City, but it would be good to have Digger knocking around, particularly in light of Whelans comments about the place having no heart.

Yer fair enough your probably right. Disrespectful was probably the wrong term, but what I was trying to get at is that I get the impression that some think he's attainable and I think that's a little disrespectful to Dortmund, as he's simply not. From the little knowledge I have of foreign football I'm led to believe that due to the FFP rules coming in and Munich in the final that German football is fancying itself to become a force again, and maybe I'm wrong but I get the impression think that the PL and LFC would make almost anyone jump and I don't think that's the case.

Can people stop saying Klopp. It's disrespectful and shows ignorance. Their is no chance of him leaving Dortmund. A club who have assured him he'll never be sacked, he loves it there and their wanting to make a serious run at winning the champions league. People dismissing Guardiola and Mourinho, cos will never happen, fair enough I also agree. But Klopp is even less likely than a Guardiola and Mourinho joint pairing. Unless our board can pull out a Rafa style appointment of a continental league winner (which would be Klopp, but not happening), well we might as well do the Rafa style appointment with Rafa.

I was saying yesterday how I wanted Rafa but saw no chance of it happening. This morning though I put £30 on him at 12/1, the more I looked at what's available and attainable I just can't see how they can't see him as the best choice.

If interviewed I can't see him not getting it. The guys had 18 months off, is refreshed and in that time has been developing training apps and has been analysing games in great detail. The time he's has to study I dare say he has a string of players ready to sign. Managers who've been working all season and were planning to sign Wigan level players will be so much more behind. Rafa all day.

Totally agree with this thread and its exactly why Kenny deserves next season. I never even enter into this arguement with fans of other teams who wont see us every week, but it really has been a freak season. Admittedly their have been performances that have been non-excusable, but on the whole we have been bloody unlucky in an awful lot of games. Read somewhere the other day that we've had 40 more shots on goal than United this season, but scored 40 odd goals less. This is not to excuse all players/management, but I think it offers another crack at the whip, and I think the vast majority of people accept that excuses (which is what this post represents) will not be accepted, lucky or unlucky.

Fair play to all involved. Its easy to write off as been a shit season but the glazers didnt hang around with hiking ticket prices at OT. To be fair to the new yanks their really getting most things right (our choice of manager - kits smart - not fucking around on senior people at the club - increased revenue - not taking the piss out of fans), from what I can see I'm more than happy with them so far, its so easy to be negative, but credit where its due