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They're giving 50p per shirt to Help for Heroes.....so that'll be about £1.50 I reckon

Fair point. And I think he also more integrity than most of the current crop of managers. Mind you, that's a bit like saying that you've got syphillis, the best of all the sexually transmitted diseases For next season, i think a lot depends on how players come back from the WC. Hopefully, Gerrard, Pepe, Masch and Nando don't pick anything up. One thing is certain....if the start of the season isn't good, no amount of excuses will cut it, and we'll be back to the daily slaughter thats been going on here all this year

Ha, ha....quality. First football related laugh in weeks

My concern is that the likes of Torres, Masch and co will decide that they have had enough of the Rafa will he/won't he stay stuff, and performances like yesterday, and bugger off to pastures new And for me, the biggest kick in the teeth was seeing that geebag Terry celebrating yesterday. Still, I can only look forward to the WC and watching every striker who can moderately sprint tear him a new one. He really is a despicable human being. God, I think I hate the Chavs more than anyone else

I'd settle for that if it was the Premiership

Not for me, I'm old school

They don't look like they smell of piss like most lifts ?

I'm self-unemployed. My last boss was a w@nker

It's the mouthy minority in any group that give the rest a bad name. These lads are just trying to big themselves up in front of their mates. They'll hopefully get a hiding after a few beers tonight, the malicious bullying odious little twats

I think we're all agreed that this season has been a complete shambles. Owners, management, players and maybe even fans have been all been partially complicit - how blame to each is a matter of opinion So, the question is...What will it take to re-unite the fans of this great club of ours? Not sure it's possible but let's try to be constructive here.....we've had enough shitfests on the forum

I'd probably agree to an extent but the table doesn't lie. We are where we are on merit ( or lack thereof )

25th anniversary of the Bradford fire is being commemorated on Football Focus. Another cover up it seems RIP

Racy crisps ads not so Hunky Dory, say rugby chiefs - Rugby, Sport - Independent.ie Check out the first pic..... one for a caption competition ...what's she saying to him?

He's looked like a candidate for a heart attack for years. Wasn't a fan of his, but wouldn't have wished him ill RIP

The problem with casting the Greeks aside as all the shit will then fall on the Spanish and the Portuguese like an avalanche gathering pace, Ireland will be next etc.... The whole house of cards will then fold

Are "fans" really suggesting that we should lose this weekend and therefore just giving up on 4th place ? While there is still a chance ? This defeatist attitude is nothing to do with the manager, the owners, the team etc.... this is some of "the greatest fans in the world" throwing in the towel...well done, take a bow. I'm sure Bill Shankly would proud of you. Jesus, it's like 3 year olds throwing their toys out of the pram. Fucking grow a set or go support Everton ( for your low expectations ) or Man U ( for their current run of success ), as clearly the down side of supporting a club not at the top of it's game is too much for you. And I don't buy all this crap that Ferguson would throw the game in the same circumstances. This is just an excuse to make you feel better about wanting our team to lose

Das Boot and Animal House are in there for me

Nail hit on head here. I think he was looking up at the big screen watching himself. I'm sorry but he is the antithesis of the Liverpool Way. No one person should be bigger than the club, and he consistently does the big I am act. If you think that Rafa has had a divisive effect on our fans, by fuck it's nothing compared to what would happen under Mourinho

and the wages on top of that

Bloody hell! what's next.... We'll pay Irish drug addicts to be sterilised - Lifestyle, Frontpage - Independent.ie Saturday April 24 2010 A controversial American charity that pays drug addicts to be sterilised has now set up a London base -- and says that Ireland could be its next target. "We would be very interested in making this service available in Ireland," says Project Prevention founder Barbara Harris. "Anywhere suffering from the scourge of drug addiction needs a charity like this. "I am a humanitarian and I think that we must stop babies being born with drug addictions. That is why I advocate long-term contraception or full sterilisation. "Even if their babies are fortunate enough not to have mental or physical disabilities, they are often placed in the foster-care system and moved from home to home. What makes a woman's right to procreate more important than the right of a child to have a normal life?" The 57-year-old grandmother from North Carolina established the charity as a result of her personal experience. She fostered, and then adopted, four children born to the same crack-addicted woman in Los Angeles. Taylor was the second child she took in. "He couldn't keep food down and his eyes looked like they were going to bulge out of his head," she says. "Noise bothered him, light bothered him, he just couldn't sleep. "My husband and I had to take shifts with him. He would sleep 10 minutes, wake up screaming. Most people wash their hands of drug addicts and they don't see what impact they have on the children they give birth to. I could see it with my own eyes and I thought that something had to be done to stop drug-addicted babies being born." And so, in 1997, Project Prevention was established. Harris says it has paid money out to 3,371 addicts, or clients as Harris prefers to call them. Almost all are women and roughly a third have been permanently sterilised. Forty seven men have had vasectomies. To get the money people have to show evidence that they have been arrested on narcotic offences, or provide a doctor's letter confirming they use drugs. Fresh documents are then required to show the medical procedure has actually taken place. "We pay addicts $300 per annum," Harris says. "We are funded through private donations and we have just launched in the UK thanks to a $20,000 donation. If we can secure funding, I can't see any reason why we would not come to Ireland and, from what I hear, your country needs Project Prevention." Dr Fiona Weldon is clinical director of the Rutland Centre, a Dublin addictions treatment facility. "This is absolutely horrendous," she says. "Addicts will do anything to get the money for their next fix and the thoughts of paying them to be sterilised is just appalling. People who suffer from addictions are not in the right frame of mind to be making decisions of this magnitude. "While the people behind the scheme may be well intentioned, they are misguided and I think they could be leaving themselves open to litigation in the future. Imagine a woman who chooses to have full sterilisation and years later gets clean and realises she cannot have children. It hardly bears thinking about." Tony Geoghegan, CEO of drug addiction and homeless charity Merchants Quay Ireland, is similarly dismayed. "I can't imagine any drug treatment centre advocating something like this. Obviously, people with addictions are given contraceptive advice, but to pay them to be sterilised is completely inappropriate and doesn't take into account the fact that many people with addictions can make a full recovery. "While babies are born with drug addictions, children can be a very positive focus for drug addicts in helping them recover. By removing their ability to have children, a powerful incentive for addicted people to get clean is taken away. "The most worrying thing about what this organisation is doing is the fact that it is paying addicts to do this. It's a form of coercion, because when people are in the throes of addiction they are unable to make rational decisions. It is exploitative." Barbara Harris admits that the money she pays is probably spent on drugs. So why not use her resources to lobby for measures to help stop women turning to drugs in the first place -- or better treatment programmes when they do? "I do a survey on everyone who comes into the programme," she says. "Most of them started using drugs when they were 11 or 12. And all of them have been in and out of drug treatment programmes, in and out, in and out. People tell me that I should be focusing on drug treatment, not birth control, but drug treatment is a gamble that often doesn't work. "Women go in there, they get off drugs, they go back on drugs but that doesn't keep them from getting pregnant. I am concentrating on women who are addicted to drugs who are getting pregnant over and over again. That is really my focus." Harris is a persuasive conversationalist, who has become well used to dealing with the US media. "Look, this is not something we do lightly," she says. "We deal with very desperate people who are at the lowest ebb. They see what their lives have become and they are sound enough of mind to know that they don't want to give birth to babies who are ravaged by drugs. "I'll do anything I have to do to prevent babies from suffering," she insists. "My heart is with the children. I don't believe that anybody has the right to force their addiction on another human being." Although few public figures in the US have gone public in their support, Harris claims that several politicians and church leaders have contacted her to offer their endorsement. "Anybody who supports this," Tony Geoghegan says, " is taking a very simplistic, not to say brutal, response to drug addiction. That's often the case if their only dealings with drug addicts have been negative, if they have been robbed or intimidated by them. "What they don't see are drug addicts who get clean, people who re-turn to a normal life." Project Prevention has attracted fierce opposition in the United States. Lobby group National Advocates for Pregnant Women accuse Harris of spreading "dangerous propaganda". They say what she does is social engineering, defining one category of people -- addicts -- as unsuitable to have children. The scheme has been compared to eugenic sterilisation in the US during the 1930s and the Nazis' programme of eugenics, which led to the extermination of Jews and the murder of many gypsies, the mentally ill, and homosexuals. "Anybody who compares this humanitarian policy to what went on in Nazi Germany is being ridiculous," she says. "How they could compare saving babies from being born into drug addiction with the crimes that were committed by Hitler is beyond me. I genuinely can't understand why people would consider what we are doing to be controversial. But I know I'm doing the right thing and with donations coming in all the time, I know I have the support of a lot of people out there. I want a better world for all children." Despite her hard line, Harris says she has sympathy for drug addicts. "If anybody believes that these women having multiple babies that are taken away is a good thing for these women, they are wrong," she says. "I know of one woman who had 13 children taken into care before she finally got off drugs. But when she became clean she was not given access to her children and she was heartbroken. If people take the time to think carefully about what we are doing and not jump to conclusions, they will see that we have compassion." Irish Independent

Reina warns Liverpool about losing seventh spot - Premier League, Soccer - Independent.ie Reina warns Liverpool about losing seventh spot By James Ducker Saturday April 24 2010 IT is a stark indication of how far Liverpool's stock has plummeted this season that goalkeeper Pepe Reina declared yesterday that the Merseyside club face a battle to finish in the top seven, let alone the Champions League places. Trailing Tottenham by five points and having played a game more, Liverpool must beat Burnley at Turf Moor tomorrow to keep alive any faint hopes they have of finishing fourth. Reina believes their form has been so bad that they are also looking over their shoulder amid fears that they could be leapfrogged by Everton, who are five points behind them in eighth. "We have to keep fighting for fourth place," he said. "But also for seventh place because that position does not come easily any more." Should West Ham United beat Wigan Athletic today, Burnley will be relegated if they fail to win against Liverpool. If there were grounds for optimism for the Lancashire club's manager Brian Laws, it will have been his opponents' woeful record away from home this season. Liverpool's 1-0 defeat away to Atletico Madrid in the first leg of their Europa League semi-final on Thursday was their 13th loss in 27 matches on their travels in all competitions, a statistic that manager Rafael Benitez conceded was unacceptable for a club of their stature and ambition. "That record suggests we have not been good enough away from home and have to improve, it's true," Benitez said. "In Madrid it was a pity because we couldn't get the away goal, but we have to be more solid and stronger. That's mentally, physically, in the games, before them -- everything." Reina has warned his team-mates that they cannot use their 23-and-a half-hour journey to Madrid by rail, road and air as "an excuse" for the defeat by Atletico or if they fail to overcome Burnley, even though the goalkeeper fears tiredness may be a factor. Jamie Carragher has taken a swipe at the Premier League, accusing the organisation of jeopardising the club's chances of reaching the Europa League final by forcing them to play against West Ham last Monday night, only 72 hours before their game in Madrid. It is the third time in the past seven weeks that has happened. Worst "The worst thing for us was playing on the Monday night," the defender said. "You hear all about the Premier League wanting English clubs to do well in Europe. Well, we've just played Monday and Thursday. "When Inter Milan are in the Champions League, they play on a Friday night. Their league does everything to help them. Playing on Monday night was a joke. That was more of a thing than all the travelling we did, which, really, wasn't that bad at all." Liverpool, meanwhile, held talks with officials from Real Madrid during their brief stay in the Spanish capital. Real have been linked with Steven Gerrard and, while there was understood to be no discussion about the Liverpool captain's future, it is thought that the prospect of Rafael van der Vaart, the Holland attacking midfield player, moving to Anfield was floated. That would be one source of encouragement for Liverpool, although if Benitez thought he had problems, he might want to spare a thought for Laws. The Burnley manager's fighting spirit remains undiminished, even if he believes his players will have to be at their best to claim full points against Liverpool. "Liverpool are an animal that is wounded," Laws said. "They might not have done as well against the bottom teams and maybe that's been their Achilles heel, but we can't rely on that. Is it a good time to get them? That's rubbish. They've played 90 minutes of football, the rest of the time they're resting, whatever their transport is. "I won't be using that in preparation. It would be stupid. We've got to use experiences like beating Manchester United and Everton at home because they're the ingredients we need." With a place in the Europa League final now Liverpool's main target, Benitez may be tempted to rest some players, including David Ngog. "We will see after they have rested, and must talk with each one before we decide, but we don't have too many options," Benitez said. "We'll work hard to give them as much time to recover as possible, controlling nutrition, drinks, things like that, to make it as easy as we can for them." (©The Times, London) - James Ducker Irish Independent

On purchasing Liverpool FC: “Liverpool is a great economic model. People are worried that I might take money away from the Rangers to go to Liverpool. It’s just the reverse. Liverpool is going to pull off lots of extra money that if I choose I can use for the Rangers or the Stars.”

Once he doesn't fall out of that wheelchair, he'll do ok. Does he have to keep one wheel on the ground at all times ? Must be a refreshing break from theoretical cosmology though

Best post on here for ages. There are some hysterical people on here at times but I'd never thought I'd see fans of our club wanting us to lose as some clearly do

Jesus Christ.....it's really a proud day for this club when "fans" want us to lose....under any circumstances. Shanks would have punched your collective lights out if he wasn't such a gentleman The Liverpool Way - my arse