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Hearing Rafa already has been told hes gone in January. Will sell players to fund his payoff if required. The end is nigh think it will be better if Rafa's gone. We are in meltdown. Need to make sure we dont hit Leeds on the way down.

They get Mancini, we get Klinsman dark days indeed!

You laugh but this is the type of manager that we will end up with if Rafa goes.

He's just trying to make a name for himself as a journalist. Heard him spouting off on Talksport the other day and Marcotti and Guillem kept asking him why he had come up with certain arguments and he just got louder and louder until he was shouting the same stuff over and over again! Its a shame cause he was one of my favourite players from that time, but i think Robbie made him look better than he was.

We are not Chelsea, Spurs or Newcastle and while we may be financially heading that way, I hope the day never comes where we sack a manager because of a bad run at the start of a season!

On first reading I kinda think this is Rafa trying to set the record straight because he believes Torres could be sold in Jan and then he will be off as he believes he has taken us as far as he can with these owners.

The H&G Anfield bowl plans are finally unveiled :)

Yeah it is heartbreaking and I wonder whether if Rafa goes weather will will look back at what could have been. Like the girlfriend you always thought youd settle down with walking around town with a millionaire (or something) :)

Im not sure that it is the fans who have changed more that football and society has changed. Its instant success or sack the manager! Theres no relatives of success any more its either you win everything or your nowhere!

Dont agree theres no Liverpool way anymore. Theres a winning and a losing way and up until this season we had the winning way.

They hopefully have improved their knowledge enough to know that they need to choose a manager thats able to compete at the highest level. The obvious candidate would be to put Dalglish in charge and see who would come in the next few months if Kenny cant do it anymore. Real would have Rafa in a shot and Im sure a deal could be done regards his payoff.

No they wouldnt but a change may be whats required, and I dont think even the americans would fail to recognise that we need a proven manager to succeed Rafa.

I desperately want Rafa to succeed, if for no other reason than if he goes he will be successful elsewhere. However sometimes events conspire to a conclusion, which I think we are fast approaching. I am now torn between my admiration for Rafa and whats best for the club.

A more important question is can he keep us at the level weve enjoyed in the last few years given the other shit thats going on around him and if he cant will the Real jobe suddenly seem attractive enough forhim to leave. Then the question will be can we find a manager good enough and willing to come that will keep us challenging. The league at this moments is a distant dream only.

Have to agree with most of that. I think Moores and Parry were just out of their depths they didint do a bad job but key decisions in hindsight look not only naive but had they been made in a company would have been neglegent. Putting two Managers from two diffrent nationalities and footballing backgrounds in charge of a team was a forewarning only to be repeated times 100 by selling to our current custodians.

Ha yeah well they can at the moment. My point is that if you think this is a crisis you should have a chat with a Leeds or Southampton fan.

Is it an understatement weve lost a few games, we can still go through to the next round of the CL and can quite easily finish in the CL spots for next season. We MAY not win the league this season but then if thats a measure of a mini crisis weve been in one for two decades. A proper crisis is losing our manager, being in a relagation fight and having owners unable to meet their financial requirements for the club.

We have these mini crisis every year and every year the team goes on a winning streak and end up exceeding the previous years points and or goals haul. Ok so at the moment its accentuated by having 10 players injured and a poor run of form, but given what youve seen in the last 5 years, can anyone say we cant improve on last year!

The Liverpool way now seems to be not supporting your team when they need you, sticking the knife into the manager and players, booing the team when results dont go your way, expecting to win things with an arrogance Man Ure or Chelsea would be proud of and showing ignorance in klnowledge for the game. Really is a sorry state of affairs and an embarrasement to all of us who remember why we fell i love with the club.

Train wreck of a game. Bad decisions all round, the ref, Rafa. Carragher, Kuyt! Dont believe we will win against Lyon, H&G will be forced to sell the club by December and we will go on a unbeaten streak to win the league by 1 point.

Only reason he was so happy was he saw his next interest payment stay within reach!

Chelsea already had Terry, Lampard, Cech too i think. We had Diao, Diouf and Cheyrou FFS!

Of course the Rafa bashers will say you can do anything with stats but I think if you compare the relative squads when the others took over it becomes even more impressive.

Probably all seen it but needs a thread of its own: Rafa Benitez will take charge of his 200th league game for Liverpool on Sunday - and we've unearthed some fascinating statistics comparing the Spaniard's record to rival managers. Benitez has won 113 of his 199 top-flight clashes since taking charge of Liverpool in 2004 - an impressive 56.8 per cent. This compares favourably to the records of Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger in their first 200 Premier League games. Ferguson won just 87 from 200 (43.5 per cent) after joining Manchester United in 1986 - and it took the Scot almost seven years to collect a league title. Wenger triumphed in 110 (55 per cent) of his first 200 league matches following his appointment at Highbury in 1996 - a stat which was good enough at the time to win him a championship trophy in 1997-98. Meanwhile, just one Liverpool manager from down the years can boast a better record than Benitez. Kenny Dalglish won 120 of his first 200 (60 per cent) league games. Bob Paisley totted up 113 victories (56.5 per cent), Bill Shankly 106 (53 per cent) and Gerard Houllier 101 (50.5 per cent).

Guillem did make a good point that stopped Stan in his tracks when he said Rafa has more league points than Wenger and Slur Alex had at the same point. (not sure if that is actually true)