Peter Cormack

Didn't Hodgson say that it takes ten games for the league to mean anything? I'm a fair man, I'd give him the ten games and if we're haven't got at least 20 points by then...............sack him.

Moores should hang

Article is right on the nail as is Tomkins assessment of Woy. Another thing is the fact that we look like an absolute shambles when defending corners and free kicks into the box. We were crucified for zonal marking under Rafa, but were pretty successful at it no matter what Keyes, Gray and the Benitez haters said. Hodgson has introduced man marking and it's pretty clear the players aren't good at it. Why change? "For "one of the most respected coaches in Europel" Hodgson's seems to have a completely closed mind; I always thought successful coaching was about incorporating new ideas that's what made Shanks, Bob and Joe successful. Taxi for Mr Hodgson please......

I know there's lots going on at the moment but I'm a little worried by the fact that guarantees have apparently been given to our illustrous manager that his job is safe. This article sums up some of the reasons why it shouldn't be, apologies if it's already been posted. If Hodgson was the principled gentleman much of the media make him out to be he would already be penning his resignation after realising the job is too much for his megre talents. Liverpool's squad cannot be blamed for Roy Hodgson's troubles By Rory Smith Even after defeat to Blackpool at Anfield, even after reviewing a league table which ranks Liverpool the 18th best team in the league, even after seeing another atrocious performance, even after hearing the chants for Dalglish, nobody even tried to ask Roy Hodgson whether he was considering bringing his 14-game tenure on Merseyside to an abrupt halt. Everyone knew the answer, anyway. Hodgson would not dream of committing an act tantamount to cowardice. A man of short fuse, he would treat such an enquiry with disdain. Nobody at the club has even whispered the suggestion that he may not be long for this job, that his reign in the Boot Room will not last beyond the autumn. Even the Merseyside derby on Oct 17, a game which looms with rare dread in Liverpudlian minds, is unlikely to change that. Even if Hodgson was to take his Premier League record at Anfield to played eight, won one, even if Liverpool trudged back from Goodison Park still marooned in the bottom three – and, on current performances, there is every reason to believe they still will – he would not find himself under any pressure from his employers, and they would not expect to find him wracked with self-doubt. Instead, he will be given more time aplenty, the excuse used no doubt being the legacy of failure he inherited, the poor resources at his disposal, the paucity of quality in Liverpool’s squad, the time required to right such wrongs. Such an idea has reverberated around the red half of Merseyside for years, ever since Hodgson’s predecessor Rafael Benitez failed to keep pace with Chelsea and Manchester United. The only problem is that it was bunk then and it is bunk now. Liverpool’s squad is full of internationals. The side that fell to Blackpool started with 11 on the pitch, and four more on the bench. The likes of Daniel Agger, Fabio Aurelio and Ryan Babel were not even accounted for, while those who have not yet received international recognition are youngsters of promise, rather than journeymen of regret. True, international honours are no guarantee of quality. Few would suggest that Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Lucas, Brad Jones and Milan Jovanovic are the sort of players of which title dreams are made. This is, of course, quite correct. But they are still all Premier League class – not Champions League class, not title class, but Premier League class – and they should all be capable of partaking in a win against Blackpool, despite Ian Holloway’s side’s impressive performance. The debate last year, the reason for Benitez’s dismissal, was that he had failed to build a squad capable of challenging for the Premier League title. This was eminently fair. What he had built, though, was a squad not vastly inferior to those at Tottenham, or Manchester City, or Aston Villa, and better than those at Sunderland, Birmingham and Everton. Liverpool had, and have, the look of a team that should be challenging for Europe. After all, the majority of the side is the same as that which finished second just 18 months ago. What the debate never used to be was whether this Liverpool squad was good enough to stay in the Premier League. Or, if that is a little knee-jerk, whether this squad was good enough to finish in the top 10. Of course it is. It boasts the best goalkeeper in England, if not Europe, Pepe Reina, one of the totems of the last decade, in Steven Gerrard, and, when fit, arguably the finest striker in the world, Fernando Torres. That it is failing is not testament to a dearth of quality. The players are not performing to the best of their abilities. That is the fault of the manager, and no-one else.

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I don't post often and try to avoid quick judgements but the Man U game did it for me; their defence was falling apart after we equalised what did the manager do? Set the team to defend on the 18 yard line and take off the glue that was holding our midfield together in so doing handed the game to the mancs. Nothing that the manager has done since has began to convince me that I am wrong thinking that he is the worst Liverpool manager since Don Walsh. Agree with most of the above except I'm not sure about the King coming back, we shoould have gone for Pellagrini when we had the chance.I was in Japan in the summer and it seems that the Japanese have him sussed: ]H:\pictures\2010 Japan\18-07-2010\dsc00639.jpg[/img] How do I add a picture????

If wit was shit our Clive would be constipated

I don't like the cowardly way we have played for much of the past season and a half but I can't bring myself to put all the blame on Rafa. These are not normal times and the circumstances are stacked against whoever is managing us. In short they have no chance of achieving anything while the two cunts remain. The article by David Conn in today's Guardian summed it up well, Rafael Benítez states the obvious: debt is damaging Liverpool | David Conn | Football | The Guardian "The manager's remarks about Liverpool's finances may not be earth-shattering but at least someone senior is acknowledging the truth Rafael Benítez says Liverpool are in debt: shock, astonishment, clear the back page. The manager says Liverpool must reduce this debt and so do not have millions of pounds to spend buying players: astonishing and extraordinary. Benítez has shocked us, in truth, with a statement of the bleedin' obvious but it is noteworthy somebody in his position has finally come out and said it. Being taken over by two businessmen, who loaded on to the club the £174m they borrowed for their takeover, was not, after all, the most glorious event in the history of a great club. When Tom Hicks and George Gillett arrived, they portrayed themselves as the friendly and benevolent Americans, smiling humans compared with the odd-seeming Glazers of Tampa Bay and Old Trafford. They were not going to "do" a Glazer and load debt on to the club; they would build the new stadium on Stanley Park, which would allow Liverpool truly to compete with United; they would honour and respect Liverpool's heritage. Yet a skim-read of the official documents that accompanied their takeover blew away their claims to benevolence. They were in fact visiting the same awful trick on Liverpool as the Glazers did at Manchester United, just in a lower key. The Glazers bought the world's richest and arguably most glory-drenched football club for £831m, of which £559m was borrowed, £275m of it from hedge funds at eye-watering interest rates. The club, which had Sir Alex Ferguson, his conveyor belt of talent, the resources to expand Old Trafford to a 76,000 capacity and cash in the bank, was loaded with the maddening responsibility to service repayment of those borrowings. In the three years to 2008 the club has incurred £263m in interest charges alone but the total debt has risen to £700m. At Liverpool the debts are lower but the club can ill afford them because of Anfield's smaller capacity, not a brick of the new stadium having materialised almost three years after Hicks and Gillett arrived. Their latest figures showed the club had borrowed £313m, including the costs of the takeover, and last year paid out £36.5m to the banks in interest alone – that is Xabi Alonso plus £6.5m, gone. That helped push the club into a £42.6m loss at a time when vastly more wealth is flowing in than ever before. Benítez now acknowledges this debt is a problem, and the need to reduce it has eaten into his transfer budget. The revelation simply states what has been horribly plain all along. These "leveraged buyouts" were not mystical, transatlantic, financial wizardry for which the clubs and their fans should be grateful. They were speculators' devices which smothered the clubs in mountainous, pointless debt" Basically even if we won the European Cup every season the money would disappear in interest payments and ultimaterly into their pockets. Self-serving shit houses, I wish I could be at Anfield tomorrow in the paddock stand; while we can't advocate violence wouldn't it be terrible if someone lobbed a molotov in their direction, only bad thing would be that genius of the western world Moores wouldn't be caught up in it. Perhaps then they would get the message, bags of piss is the minimum they deserve. The fucking world has gone crazy; two conmen borrow millions to buy a club, tell a pack of lies about it and then charge the club for the pleasure of being bought. They steal money through inflated expenses claims, starve the club of chances of success and indirectly blame the manager for that; deny having ever made the promises they have broken and still expect to be welcomed in Liverpool. In Germany they would have been hounded out of football by now and would probably be in jail; we would be playing in the regional league, as would Manu and Chelsea because the rules here don't allow what goes on in the UK. What would Shanks have made of it? He would be shouting from the rooftops about these shithouses; everyone would be well aware of what is going on. I applaud SOS taking a hard line, though it's not hard enough. Wonder how much hitmen cost? If we gave a fiver each would that be enough? I've been a supporter since I the old fella took me to my first game when I was seven, we were in the second division then with a bunch of twats running the club, scared of spending money and happy to be minting it on crowds not much smaller than we're getting now. My Dad hated them with a passion and idolised Shanks when he came; in the end the directors had to act to change things, ultimately they were supporters, greedy bastards but they cared in their own way. The shithouses from across the sea couldn't care less- I just thank Christ neither my Old fella or Shanks or Bob or Joe Fagen lived to see the state we're in now, it would have broken them. What is worst is the feeling of absolute powerlessness; the people have no say or influence anymore. 40 years ago this week we beat Everton 3-0 at Goodison, I was in the Park End, I'll never forget Sandy Brown's home goal; that was the highlight of the season, for most of it we were crap, reminds me of this season in a lot of ways, poor players got into the side, Steve Peplow, Dereck Brownbill, Dougie Livermore to name but 3, Alec Lindsay was even played up front; a run of injuries affected almost all the decent forwards, there was a lot of criticism of Shanks believe it or not he had made some poor buys and the team was apparently going nowhere; I think one of the worst United sides of all time beat us 4-1 at Anfield, as did Everton, 2-0. They won the league playing great football with a midfield that was wonderful to watch. It was the worst season imaginable at the time and a lot though it was the end of Liverpool as a force. Deja Vu?

The most influential player I ever saw, We lost games when he was injured because the side never functioned properly without him. Souey had more guile in his little finger than StevieG has in his whole body. The best midfield player Liverpool ever had and the best captain - I'd love to see how Arsenal's fancy Dan midfield would get on playing against him, or Ronaldo doing step overs! Never replaced as a player - he was Molby and McMahon rolled into one and then a little bit more.

Thommo during warm up at the kemlyn road side of the kop doing his tricks with the ball, worth the price of admission to watch that; he should have scored a lot more goals but his thing was skinning full backs, and doing it again- great player on his day but didn't have Cally's work rate or football brain, for a while - until Ramsey made wingers unfashionable - the best pair of wingers in the First Division - complemented each other well and swopped sides a lot - have we ever had a better pair playing together? Can't think of two.

vdv's bird has breast cancer which is one reason he wants away from Madrid - he will only move somewhere where she can get first class treatment. As she's German here looks favourite

what's thisd bollocks about fish and chips; Shankly fed everyone steak...and steak....and steak.....the Saint was a good combative centre forward who played above his weight at a time when every club had a centre half whose job was to see how fast the opposing centre forward could limp. Never got the recognition he deserved nationally. Dropped back into midfield in 1967 or 68 and played really well, but had no pace. Loves Shankley and Liverpool in that order and like Smithy and Shankly and a good few others from that era has no time for foreigners.

Just read the Billy Bullshit thread, the result to change is Bolton 0 Everton 1 when Bolton goal was disallowed cos the ref said it hadn't crossed the line. Bolton went down by a point from the blueshite. If they'd have gone down that year they'd be playing local derbies with Wrexham now. Hope Chelsea win by five today.

Haven't read the thread but it has to be Milan European Cup semi8-final second leg 1965; or 4-1 in the first leg when we had a goal disallowed. Would have pissed the final and won big ears before the mancs. Who knows where we might have gone from there. In a more modern era any of the silly draws at home this year, or Boro away.

Jimmy Case - The only player Sir Bob thought"we may have let go too early" and he made us pay twice knocking us out the cup - can't think of any others Bob let go who prospered. Going even further back - Fat John Morrisey whose sale caused ructions between Bill Shankly and the board and allegedly led to one of his many "resignations"

We're not the only thing they spend money on remember Hick's plans to take money from LFC to fund his losing baseball team. Givethe bastards pepper tonight; Moores should get abuse and worse for at least 90 minutes every game he still gets pleasure from going to the match judging by his reactions when we score, we should do all we can to take that pleasure away from the stupid self-serving gobshite.

Are those two parasites going to be at the game tonight or have the fucked off home again? In case any of them are going don't forget to take your bags of Walkers new piss flavoured crisps to the game

Time to go and watch the match C'mon you red men......

What I object to is that far too often when we play shite like Everton, Stoke, and small clubs of that ilk we seem to drop down to their level rather than our better players expressing themselves, stamping their authority on the game and showing them up for the crap they are

on the football front can't see a massive difference between now and 2002 to be honest , as a "business" we are not progressing but are in a far worse position - is that your definition of progress?

totally agree

totally agree