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Yeah I think that's what's happened. The Greens for example have left wing policies but are seen by much of the working class as tree-hugging hippies. Nobody in the North of England is going to vote for anyone who espouses withdrawing from NATO (whether or not that's the right thing to do, in the future, is a different matter. 'Liberal' and 'left' have been lumped together, and I don't know why. I'd say Liverpool is traditionally blue labour, it's a Catholic city with by tradition with centre/centre right views on things like marriage, the family etc. I'd say it's still far less accepting of LGBTQ than other cities like Manchester and Bristol, I'd say it's also much less racially diverse (in fact, I read a thing a while back that the reason there's no real Asian community in Liverpool compared to Lancashire and Greater Manchester is because the dockers wouldn't accept/tolerate 'outsiders' coming to work there - something which also extends to people they're not directly related to. Economics wise though, give a scouser a petrol bomb and some landed gentry to set on fire and they'll be like a pig in shit. You can be one without being the other.

Where've they been hiding this Corazon Garcia? Yes yes yes.

There's very little waste at councils now, not any more. The reason they're fucked is two-fold, but directly due to the type of politics Reform are big fans of. Cuts. They've had their budgets absolutely eviscerated over the past 15 years. There's virtually nobody left working in the places. Private sector plunder. So when Cameron and Osborne waged war on them it was an ideological one. Rather than providers of services they wanted councils to become simply commissioners of them. Long story short, they sold off a lot of stuff, had their care homes taken over by private companies that charge big bucks but deliver shit services, getting rid of reasonably well paid and experienced staff and replacing them with teenagers, while the money is all creamed off by shareholders. The biggest current example of that is children's homes. You can buy a house now, say it's a 'home', staff it with two minimum wage staff and charge the council 15k per child, per week. Loads of hedge funds have their fingers in this pie and charge councils hand over fist, making money from misery. It's absolute endless plunder.

Do you think the average joe believes all that though? Other than Truss? I bet if you doorstepped most reform voters they'd be talking more about HMOs and shit.

I dunno, I think the reform crowd and maga mob are very different and I don't think even reform understand that yet. Loads of Hicks HATE the Federal government, they always have, they're still down with the concept of state primacy, even pro confederacy. They hate the FBI, Washington, "liberals". I'd say your average reform voter has the opposite view. They like idea of state intervention, benefits etc, what they don't like is the idea that someone else is getting it all, I.e Johnny foreigner. If Reform starting fucking with councils and state apparatus they're absolutely fucked.

There was a German journo on Sky over the weekend saying it's pretty nailed on. He said LFC didn't know he wanted to leave Germany until someone basically told them he wanted to play for us. No way this won't happen.

The DEI stuff is a load of bollocks and massively overblown. I think the blue labour stuff has a place though (not necessarily with this mob, but as a concept) the idea that you can be a socialist without being some Vishnu come lately. I'm personally pretty left wing economically but not always socially, as in I do like a good 'hang em and flog em' debate and I've got no problem with tank factories.

Yep. As I said earlier on the thread, players of his calibre always get the move they want, it's a matter of time.

Nurse!

Last of us 2, 3/10, some decent set pieces but the last remaining main character Elle is an absolute cunt, I constantly want her to die so there's henceforth no jeopardy or drama.

Small things like these. 8/10. Cillian Murphy as a coal man in 80s Ireland who becomes aware of women who've had kids out of wedlock being held and mistreated at a local convent. Got vibes of Spotlight about it as in "don't rock the boat or we'll fuck you up" type stuff, your kids won't get a place at school and people won't do business with you. It's a subtle film, but really enjoyed it.

The salt path, 7/10. True story about a guy who's ill and his wife who get ripped off and lose their farm so they walk the salt path, which goes round Cornwall and whatnot. Intriguingly nothing very dramatic happens yet it's still highly watchable, due to the calibre of the leads, Jason Isascs and Gillian Amderson. It's also just a good old fashioned story of normal people trying to deal with bad shit and coming through the other side.

Tell you what though we were never this shit. We always had good people at the club (before G&H anyway) who wanted the best for it, and we never sacked any dinner ladies.

Is Dublin still dear now or are things so dear over here it no longer feels dear?

Jesus christ someone make it stop. President Donald Trump has shared a baseless conspiracy theory that former President Joe Biden died and was replaced by a robotic clone. Late Saturday night, Trump, 78, shared a Truth Social post claiming his former political opponent, Biden, 82, was killed in 2020 and replaced by a clone – unbeknownst to Democrats.

Pleased for Kelleher he deserves to be a number one.

It's a Chinese fire drill over there.

Wirtz love got to do, got to do with it.

Still do, unless I've been thieving and nobody's told me.

Is this our fault again? Two people have died and hundreds have been arrested across France after Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) fans celebrated the club's victory in the Champions League final, according to the French interior ministry.

You lads would hate me then with my IBS.

Quite telling that nobody who supports the ban was willing to go on the record, shows how toxic the whole debate has always been. It's mad how the trsns stuff is often billed as some kind of fight for civil rights, and yet, it's hard to imagine someone who's pro trans losing a job, a book deal or a gig due to espousing those views, yet the opposite has and does happen.