Jack the Sipper

Looks suspiciously like 'I've got a new roller so fuck you' in Morse Code on the worktop there, Bruce.

I see that cretin Thrasher's got upset at seeing the Tories getting a bashing in a Tory thread and is now drawing comparisons between Reeves and Truss because they both want growth in the economy, like growth in itself is a hard right ideal. Absolute fucking grade a moron.

If it means every would-be Tory voter who's due to be affected by that fucking them off then I'm all for it. Old people and their pensions is basically the Tory vote these days.

I think you're conflating the 'hang em high 'social conservatives with the low tax types that I mentioned above. There is some crossover , but also some distinctions. I'm not sure I would put Grant Shapps in amongst Braverman et al either. And what do you mean by a John Major type? Someone who campaigned for Remain? A Tory that appears more reasonable after they've lost power than they did when they had it? Theresa May fits the bill on both counts, if that helps. As for whether they're a minority, I think you only need to look at the size of the groupings. At its height the ERG was reckoned to have less than 100 members, while the group formed around Truss has around 60. As I said, they make a lot of noise (two of the MPs you mentioned have their own shows on GBNews) but don't confuse that for numbers.

If Rishi was any kind of leader with any kind of spine he'd have volleyed the 'small state' ex-ERG wing of his party into orbit upon receipt of his winning the leadership. They're a minority, albeit a noisy one, but instead of putting them in their box when he had the opportunity, he accommodated them like the coward he is with all too predictable consequences. Compare and contrast with how Starmer dealt with the left in Labour.

At a guess, legal recourse, calling for a vote of no confidence in the refs body, demanding an independent inquiry.

I wouldn't be surprised if the venue was booked when Johnson was PM, with the idea being that come the conference, the cunt himself would announce a raft of meaningless, never to be deliver promises for levelling up, then rolling his sleeves up and sticking a shovel in the ground to mark the beginning of the Manchester end of the HS2 line.

And what if the chart started earlier, say 2010? Would we be so far removed? And why the importance for 2nd yellows between 2015 to 2022, like that's a thing? Is it, by chance, because it's the one stat that supports the idea we're being conspired against? Ever wondered why straight reds given to our opponents aren't included for context? Or why how many reds we've been given over that period haven't been given? Just this one weird '2nd yellows to our opponents' stat over an arbitrary period? I'll go back to what I said when you first replied to me earlier today: people pull stats out of their arse to make all sorts of points, but they mean nothing in isolation and without context. This particular stat that you seem convinced shows we're being fucked over also shows our nearest rivals in that period (City) with the next lowest number of opponents receiving 2 yellows in a game, while a going nowhere club like Palace flying high in that chart with 15. What am I supposed to make of that? For the record, over the same period, we received 9 red cards, 4 less than City, 4 less than Utd, and 5 less than Palace. I would personally consider the amount of reds we received as more indicative of how refs were treating us than how many 2nd fucking yellows our opponents received when playing us! If you think that stat is proof of a conspiracy against us then you're right, there really is no point in carrying this on, although I would still love to know how the 'difference to expectations' numbers were arrived at.

PP Arnold, soul singer.

I don't think there's a case to answer. We've seen one opponent get two yellows in 8 years, City have seen 5, and Palace have seen 15. We've been the 2nd most successful side in that period, City the most successful, and Palace, well. What's the story here? 'opponents that have been given two yellows over 8 years' is a very specific and pretty random stat. And how about you answer some of my questions? Starting with how many straight reds these same clubs' opponents have got in the same period. Or how many reds each club has got in that period? Or why that period?

You referring to the chart above? Why does it begin in 2015 and not earlier or later? Something to do with Klopp's reign? Where's the chart for straight reds? And what's meant by 'difference to expectations' in the 2nd chart? Whose expectations? According to that chart (compiled by 'BassTunedToRed') we've had one in that time, City have had five, four more than us over 8 years, or if you want, 5 times as many. Bad when you look at it like that. But then, Crystal fucking Palace have had 3 times more than City! Who are these guys working for? Steve Parish? And you do realise the implications of that chart, if you're going to claim systematic corruption - that pretty much every referee in the PL in the past 8 years has been in on it, risking their career, their reputation, perhaps even their freedom. For what? To cheat us by making sure opponents don't get 2nd yellows? Come on.

People can and do pull all sorts of stats out of their arse to help whatever point they want to make. Here's one of many that we had to fight against and add context to:

It's a hard decision to defend, which is why I phrased my point the way I did, but I'd still want to see more evidence of deliberate malign decisions being made, rather than things that can be explained as staggering incompetence. I guess there's a tipping point for each fan and I haven't reached that yet. I suppose I'd want clear answers to the following from those who think these otherwise awful mistakes are deliberate: Are we the only team suffering? Have we never benefitted from bad decisions? What club or organisation is benefitting from these decisions at our expense? Are we talking organised conspiracy, or just bent individuals with a grudge? Lastly, where's the evidence to prove conspiracy over cock-up? It seems there's widespread agreement that this is deliberate, but beyond that, all sort of unsubstantiated theories and accusations are being thrown about. I can accept the possibility of corruption in the PL (it's not like it doesn't exist in football), but it's still a big claim to make. I'd also ask, if people believe what they're claiming, then why even bother watching football? The day I become convinced that what I'm watching is fixed is the day I stop watching.

I don't go in for the idea of corruption or refs and assistants conspiring to give decisions against us, but that said, it shows an almost unbelievable level of incompetence if we're to accept the version of events given in the statement after the game. 'Check complete'? And that's it? No communication on what the decision was, only that a decision was made? Neither the VAR or his assistant noticed the ref allowing a Spurs free kick to be taken, indicating an offside decision had been relayed back to the ref? Or, they did notice, but didn't intervene to stop the free kick? And the ref being sent over to look at a damning (and misleading) freeze frame of Jones' tackle that led to the yellow turning into a red? That stank to fuck.

The whole point of him doing Coast was to find the best monitoring posts for Farage.

My man Goodley coming up with the goods again: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/sep/26/everton-fc-owner-alisher-usmanov-farhad-moshiri

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Fair enough. I suppose there was a lot to dislike in that photo. Fucking philistines.

The 'English Breakfast' (minus the egg), Spanish style, at El Ganso's Broadway Market London.

It's always the same on the Tory threads on here: "yeah, but what about Labour", "Johnson? I remember Blair. Now he was a real cunt." ad nauseum. Tory supporting behaviour.

No, I'm not. Now fuck off.

A thread about a man alleged to have abused women turns into a thread about men abusing women because they can't cope with those women criticising Jeremy Corbyn. This fucking place!