DaveT

And having spent another fortune.

Unbelievable. Actually, totally believable and another measure of how fucked up the current world of football is.

Klopp and Guardiola are great coaches. One of them is also a fantastic human being.

If anything, it flatters Newcastle!

Good half from the kids. Referee is outrageously biased, conjured up six free kicks to them for no good reason.

Agree with every word of that. We were chasing shadows for about 15 minutes, yet we should have scored at 0-1 (Robbo), and Mo should have done better at 0-2 from Henderson's intercetpt and through ball. Listening to 606 on the way home, an Arsenal fan commented that if peak Mo was playing instead of 2023 Mo, we'd have won by at least a couple of clear goals. Once we decided to compete after the Trent/Xhaka incident, I thought Arsenal were unimpressive - conceded plenty of chances, failed to keep the ball well, not clinical on counters. Amongst the many annoying things was when Arsenal wanted to send on two subs, but they weren't ready. Never mind, says Tierney... and stops play for about 2 minutes while they sort themselves out. Ridiculous. Henderson was in his ear, but these referees are such arrogant cunts.

Just watching the last half hour of the Blackburn match and Tyler Morton has been very good, including a peach of a cross that led to their 2nd goal. Still don’t see him troubling our first team any time soon though.

Jeez, no wonder Trent reacted….. and got booked for his troubles. The latest Unwritten Laws of the Game is that you can’t send off a player against Liverpool. This, Rodri last week, Fernandes and Shaw last month, Kane last season (one of several instances last season)

They did observe the minute’s silence impeccably. Still a bunch of gobshites, though.

I just finished watching, mostly on fast forward. Oliver has gone from being the best of a bad bunch to being just as awful. He’s decided that a big deliberate shithouse knee in the back of a player on the floor is acceptable. Or maybe only when it’s a United player doing it?

He was outstanding in his cameo against France, a terrific goal and an assist. He didn’t make much impression against Croatia as a false 9 against a mass defence - but he covered every blade of grass, twice. He was brilliant in his last season with our u21s. Interestingly he mostly played as the left sided attacker of s front three , but with freedom to roam. He ran most of the games I saw, and scored and created a bagful of goals. He’s been used almost exclusively as one of a middle three for the first team and it’s seen him lose the creative side of his game.

I didn't watch live and have only just caught up with the lowlights. Lots of thoughts, but I'll just comment on the Rodri situation, where I disagree with Dave. It doesn't matter how much contact there was, the referee deemd it a foul. According to the laws, he then has to decide if that foul qualifies as unsporting behaviour, the criteria for which are: Cautions for unsporting behaviour There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player: attempts to deceive the referee, e.g. by feigning injury or pretending to have been fouled (simulation) changes places with the goalkeeper during play or without the referee’s permission (see Law 3) commits in a reckless manner a direct free kick offence handles the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack commits any other offence which interferes with or stops a promising attack, except where the referee awards a penalty kick for an offence which was an attempt to play the ball In my opinion, we had a very promising attack in the offing, with Akanji and Rodri out of the picture. Dopey Dermot did his usual on Sky to justify the decision, making stuff up as he usually does, even introduing a phrase - 'public admonishment' which doen't exist in the rules. He thought the ref was 'clever' in that the first booking was for repeated infringements - which, again, is totally irrelevant. (Presumably he means 'clever' in the same way that Shearer thinks Kane is being 'clever' when he cons refs into giving penalties). We probably wouldn't have won, or even drawn, but we might have avoided the humilation and embarrassment - and after 10 years of watching Fernandinho and now Rodri getting away with this shit, it just would have been nice.....

Exactly my sentiments watching the last 15 minutes of that match. I said on another thread that maybe Juergen needs a Ronnie Moran type to put a rocket up a few of our lads.

This will be the worst imaginable season. Arsenal will win the league, the Cheats will win the CL and FA cup, United will win the League cup and Europa, Everton will avoid relegation and somehow escape a points deduction and Sportswashers Direct will get a CL place. But at least we’ll win the Fair Play award (because we never tackle anyone)

Thd Cheats must be very confident as they’ve not even bothered to include Mancthony Taylor in their starting line up.

Didn’t this cunt used to play for Atletico?! Talk about pot, kettle, black.

I’ve been watching Morton come through the ranks for several years and watched him playing for Blackburn a couple of times. Whilst I’d love to see another local lad coming through, it’s not him. Championship level, I think, will be his ceiling. He’s got decent technique and a brain but just doesn’t have the physicality or athleticism to make it at a higher level. Curtis Jones was a far superior player at the same stage.

An assist for Curtis, too. He looked sharp.

More than just the one

You can please some of the people......none of the time. Diaz - has been a big success; very influential in the 2nd half run to nearly 4 trophies last year and unlucky to get injured when he'd been probably our best player early in the season Gakpo - for me he's already shown enough (coming into an erratic, injury hit team mid-season) to suggest he's going to be a good player for us Shaqiri - bought relatively cheaply - as a SQUAD player who could bring something different. Worth the £12m for the role he played in the Everton 5-2, Barca and United 3-1 games alone. Minamino - again, a SQUAD player, brought in cheaply, and able to get a goal or two - as he did to help us get to 2 domestic cup finals last year Carvalho - agree - I don't see how he'll ever fit into a Klopp formation, but he's clearly talented, only cost £5m and I could easily see him being worth £20m or more to a team more suited to his style in the not too distant future. In short, I don't see what your problem is.

I’ve just seen the Willian handball and then looked at the Adam Smith handball last week which denied a certain goal. One situation results in a red, the other doesn’t even get a yellow. I’ve pretty much given up on trying to follow the constant tinkering with the handball law, so there might well be a perfectly logical explanation as to why two just-about identical situations result in different outcomes. Or it’s maybe just down to the utter uselessness of referees in this league.

Just watched Xabi’s Leverkusen beat Bayern 2-1. Good game. Ref booked the same Leverkusen forward twice for diving….. both times, he had to award a penalty and reverse the yellow.

Robinson was booked for the handball leading to the penalty, a decision which McCoist disagreed with. Adam Smith blocked a goal bound header last weekend, everyone agreed with the VAR penalty decision (the ref was the only person watching who didn’t see it). Smith didn’t get a card of either colour. Fucked up.

Just seen it. Napoli did great business getting shut of Koulibali at that time. Chelsea goalie didn’t look great on that goal either.

Shanks wasn't that great at being tough or ruthless - brilliant motivator, but he used Bob Paisley and Ronnie Moran for the bad cop stuff. Maybe Juergen needs one of them, can't really see Pep 'Aren't we brilliant' Ljinders fulfilling that role. The u19s got shafted by terrible officiating again - the goal was a joke and the lineman on the far side to the cameras seemed to have a barley passing acquaintance with the offside law. Symptomatic of the situation throughout the club, they were without Cannonier, Kaide Gordon, Kone-Doherty, Koumas (suspended) and Mabaye (haven't heard anything about his injury for ages). And then Doak gets injured after 8 minutes. The Wednesday stuff is so shockingly appalling - but barely gets a mention in the mainstream. Un-fucking-believable. Surprised you didn't mention the Kyle Walker stuff. Coming so soon after all the Wayne Couzens hoo-haa and Walker's flashing results in....... - another fucking England call-up. Completely brushed under the carpet and blanked by Guardiola. And then there's the interviews with those two ubercunts Ceferin and Infantini. Football is such an utter cesspit at the moment - and is only likely to get worse. It's been a 50-odd year obsession for me, but it's getting easier by the day to just walk away from it.