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I had a go at Scott Murray of the Guardian on Saturday. He made a quip about the Kyrgiakos red card, saying there was nothing "murderous" about it. "33 min: THIS HAD TO HAPPEN. RED CARD. Kyrgiakos goes in two-footed on Fellaini. The defender is sent off without ceremony. There didn't seem to be any murderous intent, but you simply can't go flying through the air, two sets of studs showing. It's a deserved red - Fellaini is carried to the sidelines on a stretcher for more treatment - though Liverpool will argue that it should be the second of the match." For me it was a clear dig. The "murderers" song had been heard several times on tv, clearly. Anyone connected with football knows what it is. So I wrote: "That is a disgraceful comment - and I imagine you will be hearing more about it. Making light of 39 deaths for a stupid joke is appalling. I've forwarded it on to the club." So then he writes back: "I genuinely don't want to cause offence, but I have no idea what you are talking about. I'm happy to change/remove it if I've missed something obvious." To which I replied: "Scott, even from the Guardian tv room, you must have known what "Murderers" means. It's an offence to the 39 who died at Heysel. It's an offence to all Liverpool fans who have to submit to being called murderers by Evertonians, ManU fans etc. Heysel was a horrible tragedy, for which Liverpool fans were responsible. You were fully aware of what you wrote, and feigning ignorance means you are either not man enough to "fess up" or not knowledgeable to be a football journalist. Sorry Scott, that was -- and is -- well out of order." End of thread. There is no way he was being anything other than snidey there. It was a clear dig - but like the Mancs singing "We won it three times without killing anyone" it gets ignored. I'm fucking sick of it - and I am upset at our own fans making light of it. The Steaua thing was shite - and so was the 1-0 to the murderers we sang last time. There are no ifs and buts about. We killed people in Italy, end of story. Sure there were mitigating circumstances, but that changes nothing. We were responsible, so we lose any sort of right to moral outrage about it. EDIT: I obviously mean we killed people in Belgium. If the Sheffield police came out and made comments about Hillsborough - in any circumstance - we'd be up in arms. We can't have it both ways.

I know, but we're better than that.

Didn't like it one bit -- anything like that that gives them a stick to beat us with isn't worth it. Gives them a chance to go all moral, which is a bit of a shame. I'm surprised they haven't had an article on it on the club website. Still, week is still young.

Anyone got a pic of screech's challenge on the kurgan?

Think it is Scott Burley...

The one thing I take from this - even if we lose - is that at least I'll never be called a fucking Evertonian. What a bunch of inbred thugs they are. Fucking twats the lot of them. Jesus, I fucking hate them. Pienaar, Cahill, Fellatio, Neville, Donovan, Saha, the whole fucking lot of them. Fucking scum. Right, back to the yoga.

This from the fucking Guardian MBM: 33 min: THIS HAD TO HAPPEN. RED CARD. Kyrgiakos goes in two-footed on Fellaini. The defender is sent off without ceremony. There didn't seem to be any murderous intent, but you simply can't go flying through the air, two sets of studs showing. It's a deserved red - Fellaini is carried to the sidelines on a stretcher for more treatment - though Liverpool will argue that it should be the second of the match.

Are you for real? Kyrgiakos played the ball - Screech jumped on his fucking leg. He should have been off for kicking Kuyt in the fucking head. Pienaar should have been off for trying to breal Mascherano's leg. How you can look at that challenge and say "it's Kyrgiakos' fault" is beyond me.

I want him to stay exactly the way he is

Same person? 27 posts between them. If I had any energy, I'd count how many times they have said the same thing.

I can't believe Sol Campbell thinks he has an image that is worth anything. Ten years ago, maybe. Shitty timing though, which ironically has been the hallmark of his career.

Neville, what a sock sucker

No he wasn't - he was looking for an explanation of what happened. It's a big difference. Think of all the fucked up things you did when you were a kid. What stopped you from going further? A conscience? Good behaviour modeled by your parent(s) or relatives? Take away the good environment, and who knows how any of us would behave. It's not an excuse - because nothing can excuse it. It IS an explanation though.

Just don't do it in Canada... Man beheaded on Greyhound bus Man beheaded on Greyhound bus Screaming passengers fled in terror from a Greyhound bus as an unidentified fellow passenger suddenly stabbed a man sleeping next to him, decapitated him and waved the severed head at horrified witnesses standing outside. BRANDON, Man. -- Screaming passengers fled in terror from a Greyhound bus as an unidentified fellow passenger suddenly stabbed a man sleeping next to him, decapitated him and waved the severed head at horrified witnesses standing outside. The apparently unprovoked assault left 36 men, women and children stranded Wednesday night on the shoulder of the darkening Trans-Canada Highway near Portage la Prairie, Man., about 85 kilometres west of Winnipeg, watching while the bus driver and a driver of a nearby truck shut the crazed attacker inside the bus with the mangled victim. At a media conference Thursday afternoon, RCMP confirmed they have the suspect -- who is not believed to be from Manitoba -- in custody, but offered few new details on this baffling homicide. The suspect is expected to be formally charged today. “By the time the police arrived, the driver and the remaining passengers had all safely exited the bus,” said Sgt. Steve Colwell. He said officers could see the suspect walking around inside the bus, but said he refused to exit. The standoff lasted for hours. “At 1:28 a.m., the suspect ... attempted to jump out of the bus after breaking a window. He was immediately subdued and arrested without incident and is currently in RCMP custody.” The suspect’s name has not been released. Police said the victim’s name will not be released until next-of-kin have been notified. “He didn’t do anything to provoke the guy. The guy just took a knife out and stabbed him, started stabbing him like crazy and cut his head off,” said Garnet Caton, 26, a passenger on the Edmonton-to-Winnipeg bus. “Some people were puking, some people were crying, other people were in shock ... everybody was running, screaming off the bus.” Caton said the attacker was only on the bus for a brief period of time, after boarding in western Manitoba. Passenger Cody Olmstead he had been watching a movie on the bus just before the attack began. ‘We’re in the middle of Zorro and the next thing you know you hear somebody scream,” he told CTV. Olmstead, 21, said had smoked a cigarette earlier in the trip with the victim, who got on the bus in Edmonton. "He seemed to be OK, right, just a kid," Olmstead told CBC. “He just said he was going to Winnipeg.” After the bus pulled over and the terrified passengers fled, Olmstead said the attacker was taunting those outside with the victim’s head. “Buddy’s going berserk,” he said. “He walks up to the door, holds the head in the door, just looks at them crazy like and drops the head and walks back to the body and starts cutting ... more.” Caton told CNN he and other passengers prevented the attacker from getting off the blood-soaked bus by threatening him with makeshift weapons -- a hammer and a crowbar. “We were telling him, ‘Stay put, stay put, stay there, don’t try to come out.’ He tried to get the bus working and the bus driver disabled the bus somehow in the back, I’m not sure how he did it, and at that point, I think the police showed up,” he said, adding officers rushed them away. Caton and other passengers said the attacker and his victim, who was listening to music on headphones, were sitting together at the rear of the bus, and the attack appeared to be unprovoked -- no words were exchanged. Caton described the man who attacked the passenger as possibly Asian or aboriginal, bald and wearing sunglasses. He seemed oblivious to others when the stabbing occurred, said Caton, adding he was struck by how calm the man was. “There was no rage or anything. He was like a robot, stabbing the guy.” Caton said the victim boarded in Edmonton, was aboriginal in appearance, was wearing hip-hop clothing and appeared to be around 20 years of age. “When we saw the head, we knew he was dead,” he said. “I don’t think the guy knew him at all. I think he was really crazy ... the poor guy, he didn’t see it coming.” The passengers were later taken to Brandon, Man., to be interviewed by police and to stay overnight at a hotel there. Crisis counsellors were also at the hotel to provide support to the passengers, and counsellors could be seen chatting with them outside the hotel as groups went out to local stores for snacks or to smoke cigarettes. One small boy, who was with an adult man and woman, was given a plush teddy bear by a crisis health worker. “The first thing I heard was something like a terrible type (of) yowl and that was from the guy who got stabbed,” said an elderly woman on the bus, from Winnipeg. The woman and her adult daughter said they were three or four rows in front of the suspect when the attack began. “(My daughter said) ‘Oh my God,’ and everybody else started screaming,” she said. “They had terror in their eyes.” Two other passengers on the bus, a 22-year-old man and 21-year-old woman from France, said they were heading to Winnipeg after visiting the woman’s father in Whitehorse. The 22-year-old man said in French that he saw a man holding a long knife repeatedly stab another passenger. He and his girlfriend said they were shocked by the attack, and the isolation in the middle of the prairie when it occurred. “There was nowhere to go,” she said. Speaking in Quebec City, Public Safety Minister Stockwell Day said the issue of safety on buses may need to be examined more closely once the legal process of this case is over. “We’re never closed to looking at how Canadians can be more safe and more secure,” Day told reporters in Quebec on Thursday. “This particular incident, as horrific as it is, is obviously extremely rare.” Greyhound spokesman Eric Wesley, speaking from Texas, said drivers are trained to get help as soon as they can when incidents occur. “This is very rare, unique occurrence. Bus transportation is one of the safest modes of transportation. This is highly unique that something like this happened,” he said. “Our drivers are trained to provide the safest travel for all our passengers, and every time an incident occurs they know to pull the bus over and call 911.” Wesley said counselling will be provided and monetary compensation will be determined on an individual basis. “We are going to do whatever we need to provide the passengers with counselling or any other measures to make sure they’re taken care of.”

Don't go to Australia, go to New Zealand.

Got this off a Manc friend. It's really confused in terms of a plan - some bits seem good, others just illustrate why it will never work. Petty rivalries and hatreds are so rife in football - even Hicks understands this and tries to play on it to his own advantage. I honestly think we'll never get the Yanks out until it is a concerted, holistic effort, coming from more than one club. If Liverpool and the Mancs work together on this, it might just be the saving of us both. Unfortunately, I think most people would prefer to see the Mancs fall flat on their faces, even if it means we never get back to where we want to be. The same is the true of their fans. Like it or not, we have much more in common with the Mancs than we care to admit: Ahead of today’s victory over Burnley, about 300 United fans showed up at O’Briens in the Stretford Arndale to talk about what we’re going to do to reclaim our club. With reds divided on what is the best course of action, it was an opportunity for the supporters groups to get an idea of what the fans wanted to do. As the microphone got passed around, the ideas ranged from brilliant to insane, but I really think we might be on to something. Here were the main points: - Draft a letter for as many fans as possible to send to Sir Alex Ferguson to ask for his resignation. As a socialist and a man concerned for the club, he should show the Glazers exactly what he thinks of them. Poor results and failure to qualify for Europe would mean the Glazers could no longer afford to even keep us afloat and we would go in to administration. - When attending matches, don’t buy anything inside the ground. No programmes, no food, no beer. - Don’t attend matches and don’t renew your season tickets. 20,000 or so fans haven’t renewed over the past five years, let’s keep pushing that number up. - Get a figurehead for the movement. Eric Cantona? - Get famous reds on board. Ian Brown, Manny etc. to increase the publicity. - Team up with Liverpool supporters groups (this suggestion was booed and generally ridiculed). - Have picket lines outside the ground and get leafleting going to raise awareness. - Stick together. Whether you love or hate FC, whether you go to the games or you don’t, the division between us must be healed to allow us to work together in reclaiming out club. But the best idea, the one that I think could actually happen and start to make a difference… - Don’t go in to the ground until 5-10 minutes after kick off against AC Milan. With the eyes of the world watching, an empty stadium would really send out a message. If we could all meet outside Sir Matt Busby’s statue and get the anti-Glazer chants going, then pour in to the stadium still chanting them, it would really draw attention to what we’re trying to do. Realistically, we’re not going to be able to raise the money amongst fans to reclaim our club, so our issue now is raising awareness and getting people on board. Lots of people there wanted full scale boycotts, with them already giving up their season tickets or not buying tickets for the games anymore. For me personally, I don’t see what not going to games brings. If I don’t pay £700+ for my season ticket, somebody else will. Whilst they were pleased that 20,000+ people had given up their season ticket, the point to note is the attendance figure isn’t down by 20,000+. Some people believe giving up their tickets is the best way to get Glazer out, and respect to them for putting in to practice something that must be so difficult for the sake of our club. But there are plenty of people who don’t believe giving up their seat will help solve our problems. If we all give up our tickets, our seats will still get filled, but by people who just fancy a day out. And then what? Today, for the last ten minutes or so, there was continuous anti-Glazer chanting, which wouldn’t go on if we weren’t there. A group of lands unfurled a LUHG banner, before being chased out, then carried out. The best platform for us to get our message across is from inside the ground, with the media watching and reporting. WE WANT GLAZER OUT!

The same ref - and the same linesman that failed to see Boswinga's foot in the back on Benayoun.

If there are any links out there can someone PM me?

That's almost exactly the same as me. My first was Borussia Mönchengladbach in the UEFA final in 73 - and I went back the next day. Started going in the boys pen with my cousin the next season. Loved the boys pen - great laugh. "Kopites are gobshites"

Before taking what Xabi says as gospel, just remember that this is the same man who swore blind to his previous fans--because he did have lots before he came here--that he would NEVER go to Real Madrid, as it would be an affront to his Basque heritage. What people say is often affected by time. He had his time here, he loved it, we loved him, end of story.

I don't agree that the performance was terrible. When you are in a run of bad form and need a result, you want your players to fight. Despite being physically battered by the BS, I thought every single player got back up and stood firm. I thought Insua and Aurelio provided good defensive balance on the left - and Pienaar never had a look in. Reina was excellent. Carragher was excellent. Lucas and Mascherano did very well. Ngog took a hell of a battering but still held the ball up and was unlucky not to score (great tackle at the end by Yobo, I think). Kuyt worked and woked - and started to find some sort of touch at the end. Gerrard is still not doing enough in defence - which is why a lot of those second balls were lost in midfield. I'm struggling to find a single player who didn't put everything into that game. And you know what - I'm absolutely thrilled for them. Two away wins on the trot and two clean sheets.

How dare you, that is fucking outrageous. Success is NOT all about trophies, it's about trophies and making people proud. Even if we win trophies, you'll still be someone who spouts bile. And I tell you what, as someone who knew Shankly, albeit slightly, you are the type of person he would have avoided like the plague. Same with Antynwa - who is so riddled with anger and putrescence that he can't even see the inherent irony in his name. Honestly, I'm ashamed of you.

In fairness, that's good banter - I'd much rather this than the vile abuse that usually gets hurled around.

Fully agree - that was a million times worse than Degen's against Fulham. He went straight throught the man

Oh my God. Actually, in 1901, it was fucking zonal marking that won us the title. In that last game against West Brom, Dunlop and Parry held their positions perfectly to deny O'Halahan a header that would have tied the game and seen us finish second.