Peter Cormack

seems like four...it was two apols

Nearly four years ago I posted this on a thread about DIC "I don't post often but I've just read the whole of this post and it depresses the hell out of me, so here's my slightly jaundiced take on what's going on. I hope to Christ I'm wrong. At the time G & H came in I thought it was Moores being a money grabbing twat fucking us over and I see nothing here to make me change my mind. The fact is that the Dubai consortium get involved in sport to make money, get prestige and to win things, look at their record. G & H are in it to make money, nothing else. The performance of their teams, in North America confirms this, but it doesn't matter that they aren't champions every year because the cash comes in. I can remember Liverpool before Shankley came it was the same. 40,000 each week to watch them fail to get promotion season after season. The board didn't give a fuck as long as each week the money rolled in. The ground was a disgrace and my old man used to say they didn't want promotion, it would cost money and cut the profits. Along came the great man, and backed by Littlewoods he started a revolution. In my view we are going back to those pre-Shankly days. As long as Liverpool are in the top four every year Anfield, old or new, will be packed every week. The dough will roll in. Why spend the money to take us to the top? What the fuck for? It won't earn us a significant amount extra, gates are guaranteed. Look at the record of the board, never during the period from Shanks arriving to the present day have the board given a flying fuck about the fans...loyal Liverpool fans are a cash cow to those bastards. I'm sure everyone on this forum has a tale about ticketing problems, lack or response to complaints or shit service. I remember John Peel saying in 1981 that the Liverpool board were the most unpleasant and self serving bunch of characters he'd ever met, I don't see the yanks as any different. Why worry what the fans want when there are plenty more to take their place if they get disillusioned. TV money and a growing world wide audience will add to the coffers whether we win the league or not." I don't think a fucking thing has changed in the meantime except that Rafa hasn't developed into the world beater I believed he would; in fact he seems a vindictive man with relatively few people skills who seems prepared to cut off his nose to spite his face and has his team playing some of the worst football I've seen since the days of division 2 or GH's last season. Hicks clearly thinks he can make money or else he would have bailed out. I've been a Liverpudlian for 51 years, the club is the only constant in my life over that period. I can honestly say I have never been so despondant about everything connected with the club; in the past there was always some reason for optimism; today I can't see any - fuck the lot of them from Hicks downwards - I can't believe that I read on here some gobshite advocating throwing bags of piss as the everton supporters if you're going to throw anything there are lots of better targets than bitter dickheads who have never done anything concrete to harm the club; look in the directors box today and especially next week against Chelsea I'm sure there's a few there who deserve this treatment (not that I'm suggesting it of course) How can Moores have the face to still show up at games? he can because like almost every other person who has sat in the boardroom he doesn't give two fucks for what fans think and never has. Plus he's so dim he probably doesn't realise people hate him. It's time for the gloves to come off and those who can get to Anfield to make a serious and significant protest that will be heard around the world.

Rick Fucking Parry

We are now officially the new Newcastle, the Liverpool Way has passed into history and if this carries on we will be just another football club. What a pile of shit, in 50 years I have never been so down about events at the club I love. Clearly there are problems below board level; some of the football we played this year has been dire, and some of the performances totally lacking heart. Rafa has brought some of this on himself. Shankley was not popular with many of the players some were shit scared of him, neither was Paisley - you can't be popular with everyone and manage a football club effectively. One of the keys to good management is having a buffer between you and the players, a shoulder for them to cry on, someone to smooth egos, reassure players when they are dropped and generally keep morale up. Its hard to do this when you are the one taking the decisions. We have always had someone who did this - first Bob, then Joe Fagan, then Roy Evans - that was Pako's role helping keep the players onside. Not replacing Pako has in my opinion been the biggest mistake made this season. Manure suffered when McLaren went and then when Quiroz went to Real. Review our performances and look when the dip began; I'm not saying Pako going is the only reason for what's gone on but it must have put more pressure on Rafa, add to that the shit with cowboy Tom and it's no wonder he is making bizzare decisions. Don't forget Rafa has always had Pako as a number two; his methods of working have suddenly and drastically changed. Get someone in now - Sammy Lee's available and an excellent coach he also knows many of the players, is a died in the wool red. It may be too late if what Bascombe says has any basis in reality, but it's too simplistic to say its either Cara and Gerrard OR Rafa, they love LFC too; it's about getting the machine functioning again and sorting out the relationships that aren't working. AND it's about shutting up shop and keeping shit like this out of the papers.

Best 3-0 Hughes off his shoulder, Bobby Graham and then the third the Sandy Brown og, the best og ever. They won the league that year and only dropped two points at home...

plus haman heskey berger warnock that makes how many??

murphy james kirkland owen friedel traore bellamy diouf anelka warner and potter (if he has signed for Birmingham)

too nice. Ball in the back of the net... Thanks for coming... Fuck off... 3pts LIV hear fucking hear

the owner of the Texas Rangers and Dallas Stars said his purchase of Liverpool was nothing more than a business decision -- akin to his buying cereal-making Weetabix and nothing more. "You could say that anyone who was eating Weetabix was paying for our purchase of Weetabix. It was just business. It is the same for Liverpool; revenues come in from whatever source and go out to whatever source and, if there is money left over, it is profit." And while comments like that might fly here, where hockey's on its way to minor-league status and Hicks' baseball team's already nine game under .500 and nine out of the AL West This is from one of the blogs about Hicks which I hadn't read before my rant....the more I read the more I think I'm correct about our owners; we are another brand to make them money, win lose or draw.

Agree entirely tho I think the 79 side was the best I've seen. What I meant was you can't compare now and the 80s in terms of the situation off the pitch and updating the team.

It's nonsense to compare now to the eighties. For a start we'd had a ten year unbroken winning streak which ensured we had players queueing up to join us. Bob Paisley had started the process of moving a couple in each year so we always had a top class squad and this continued under Joe Fagan. It changed with the king, towards the end, but the fact is that for ten or twelve years after Shanks we only had to bring in or move on a couple of players per year to maintain a league winning side. Thats what ferguson's been trying to do for the past decade. We ain't in the situation now where we can bring in a couple of players and have a world class side. Read any sensible book about the glory years (I highly recommed the Boot Room Boys) and everyone involved with the club says the same thing - the secret of Liverpool's success was we had the best players. A few weeks ago someone on here posted and asked how many of Rafa's side would make it into manure or chelski's. I think the answer was three or four tops and probably only Gerrard would play every week. In the eighties ten or more of our side would hav been welcomed ino any side in the first division and played 42 games a season. That's the major reason why we need big investment if we are going to make an immediate challenge for number 19. Rafa's building for the future; fine if he stays, but I repeat what I said last night G & H don't need immediate success, as long as it keeps ticking over the money comes in, and that's what it's all about.

Thanks for the info.....does this mean they are better businessmen than G & H who paid more than DIC were offering, or is it that G & H saw something that DIC didn't?

I don't post often but I've just read the whole of this post and it depresses the hell out of me, so here's my slightly jaundiced take on what's going on. I hope to Christ I'm wrong. At the time G & H came in I thought it was Moores being a money grabbing twat fucking us over and I see nothing here to make me change my mind. The fact is that the Dubai consortium get involved in sport to make money, get prestige and to win things, look at their record. G & H are in it to make money, nothing else. The performance of their teams, in Nporth America confirms this, but it doesn't matter that they aren't champions every year because the cash comes in. I can remember Liverpool before Shankley came it was the same. 40,000 each week to watch them fail to get promotion season after season. The board didn't give a fuck as long as the each week the money rolled in. The ground was a disgrace and my old man used to say they didn't want promotion, it would cost money and cut the profits. Along came the great man, and backed by Littlewoods he started a revolution. In my view we are going back to those days. As long as Liverpool are in the top four every year Anfield, old or new, will be packed every week. The dough will roll in. Why spend the money to take us to the top? What the fuck for? It won't earn us a significant amount extra, gates are guaranteed. Look at the record of the board, never during the period from Shanks arriving to the present day have the board given a flying fuck about the fans...loyal Liverpool fans are a cash cow to those bastards. I'm sure everyone on this forum has a tale about ticketing problems, lack or response to complaints or shit service. I remember John Peel saying in 1981 that the Liverpool board were the most unpleasant and self serving bunch of characters he'd ever met, I don't see the yanks as any different. Why worry what the fans want when there are plenty more to take their place if they get disillusioned. TV money and a growing world wide audience will add to the coffers whether we win the league or not. At the moment we have a manager who can make bricks without straw, and get the team to perform in the cups. When he walks another will take his place and that's when the shit will hit the fan because whoever it is won't be able to match what Rafa has achieved with this bunch of players.

Born and bred in Liverpool 8, work took me to North Wales then I moved to Germany in 1988 then New Zealand and then back to Germany. For the first few months everything here was exciting and special, then we were homesick and critical, and took every opportunity to go home, then that wears off. This is fairly typical according to studies of expats. The language is the most important thing, once you master that you have the key to understanding the place you are living. But like everything else there are peaks and valleys. You can tell the people who aren't going to settle, there the ones who treat it like an elongated holiday and compare everything here unfavourably with things back home. Know lots of people who have made short term moves abroad and a lot of them find it really difficult to settle when they go back and come back abroad. I also know a fair number like me who have been here for years and will never go back. I don't think I could ever move back to the UK. About the only things I miss are going to the match and the boozer after the game and friends. Get back once or twice a year but don't really think of it as home anymore; it's surprising how over time you find you have little in common with folks there, even tho we have British TV and radio. My son is just finishing uni in the UK, a mad reds supporter but he doesn't really consider himself English but does claim to be a scouser. Hope this helps

From someone who saw the 3-0 win at Goodison against the best Everton side of all time, Shanks' 10th Anniversary I would put Sandy Brown into Everton's all time best side. Labone was a better footballer than Yeats but not as effective and nowhere near as good a Tommy Smith; Clem in his prime was miles better than Shilton and the bin man. My Dad, a died in the wool red to his dying day always said Dixie Dean was the best he'd ever seen; that's good enough for me. As for the rest of the shite...the guy who put this list together has an eighties fixation. Colion Harvey was different class to Reid and Tony Kay, who got done for match fixing was better than both of them. I reckon the best Liverpool reserve team of all time who give that lot a shoeing!