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Should Glen Johnson get a new contract?

    With just a year and a bit remaining on his current deal, Liverpool have a decision to make on Glen Johnson this summer. Do they offer him a new deal on his existing terms, try to convince him to sign for less money, move him on for whatever they can get or perhaps let him see out the final year of his current deal before testing the free agent market? Three TLW contributors share their thoughts...


 

Despite his (let’s be kind here) erratic recent form, Glen Johnson is a quality player on his day. He’s a valuable attacking asset and has formed part of cohesive defensive units under previous managers. This season has been a different story however; Johnson’s form has been well below what’s been expected from him. It’s a mark of how well others have done in his absence, and how poorly Johnson has performed when he has played, that not renewing his contract and cutting our losses by selling him is now more of a certainty than keeping him.

 

In the background of all this is the negotiations themselves. Johnson’s reported to be unwilling to take a pay cut from the handsome £100,000+ per week he earns. Now whilst it’s justifiable that the player shouldn’t want to take a pay cut (would you if you were him?), he really has to be mindful of the surroundings he now finds himself in. The club has spent a great deal of time and effort reducing the wage bill down to something more manageable for a team that’s not in the Champions League. Johnson’s current contract is a throwback to another era and it’s incredibly unlikely that we’ll see its like again. The club now prefers to reward players with big contracts based on their age, how valuable they are as an asset and their long term form. On all three of those tenets Johnson falls down. He’s getting on in age, there’s not a lot of resale value to be had from him and his form has been ‘erratic’ at best.

 

In any sport, the usual rule of thumb is that a player will play his best stuff in a ‘contract’ year; showing how off how good he is to add on the extra cash when the negotiations roll around. That works on two fronts, either their current employer has to pay up, or another team will swoop in because they’ve seen a high performing player who can be brought in without much trouble. In most sports that usually means the final year of the contract but as football works slightly differently, it usually means the 18 months before the contract is due to expire. In Johnson’s case that hasn’t happened, in fact he’s played like he’s been sulking because he’s not got what he wanted. It has emerged that he’s been carrying injuries so that explains the poor performances, but it doesn’t excuse what appears to be a poor attitude, especially when he’s lost the ball or tracking a runner.

 

Not to pre-judge anything but the way this season is panning out, it looks like we’ll be returning to at least some sort of European football next season. That requires a much larger squad than we currently have so any transfers that happen in the summer, I’d prefer them to be weighted 80/20 if favour of incoming players. There should be no reason to ship out any player who currently plays in the first team in the summer; we need reinforcements, not wholesale changes. Having said all of that, that only includes Johnson if he’s willing to take a substantial pay cut. If he thinks that he’s worth more than Liverpool are offering then he should be our guest and test the waters of being a free signing. There aren’t many teams in England who will offer him what Liverpool is offering him which is (apparently) £70,000 a week and probable Champions League football. If he thinks he can do better than that, well then see you later, Glen.

 

Despite his performances this season and his injury problems, I’ve always got a place in my squad for good players and despite thoughts elsewhere to the contrary, Glen Johnson is a good player. Like the Million Dollar Man said “everyone has a price”, and for Johnson that price is a lot lower than he currently perceives it to be. There’s a contract on the table for Johnson, it shouldn’t go any higher so it’s his choice whether he sticks or twists. I hope he sticks but I’ll lose no sleep if he twists. Let’s just hope that he’s not left twisting in the wind.

 

 

Julian Richards

 


 

It wasn’t long ago Glen Johnson was viewed as a crucial member of the Liverpool side-and rightly so. This past autumn, in the midst of a period during which the Englishman was out due to injury, Brendan Rodgers acknowledged that Johnson was the type of player whose absence truly underscored his importance to the team. At the time it was easy to see why; with more than enough pace to maintain the high line the manager prefers, as well as the skill and technique to offer a genuine threat in attack, Johnson appeared the prototypical fullback for the new Liverpool. 

 

As we near the end of Year Two in the Rodgers era, it’s difficult to determine what exactly went wrong. To the delight of supporters, the Reds have unleashed a scintillating attacking blend, relying on intricate passing and movement, as well as on breakneck counterattacks-both areas for which Johnson would seem ideally suited. However, the fullback has looked well off the pace for most of the season: clumsy in possession and unpredictable in terms of his decision making.

 

As the Liverpool brain trust ponder whether or not to offer Johnson a new deal, the crucial question remains: Which Johnson would such a contract land them? The fullback was unconvincing in his return to action against Swansea last weekend, although the long layoff and his deployment on the left, rather than on his preferred right side are reason enough to withhold judgment until the end of the season.

 

Regardless of Johnson’s play over the next eleven matches, however, I don’t think he’s worth renewing at his current salary. His erratic form, checkered injury history and age make that too risky a proposition.  But the risks of losing Johnson are significant as well. This season Liverpool have suffered the consequences of discontinuity at the back; with a series of question marks surrounding Liverpool’s immediate future at the other three back line positions, the potential loss of Johnson could further unsettle the Reds’ defence. 

 

Moreover, for all the offensive fireworks on display this season, Rodgers’ side have managed a paltry two goals in their three games away to the Top Three. Take nothing away from Liverpool’s impressive offensive output, but it’s going to take more than a sparkling front four to break down the stingiest defences at the most hostile grounds-in England and in Europe. In order to fully realise his vision, Rodgers’ system requires at least one fullback who can provide a legitimate threat in attack-and Glen Johnson is the only player in the squad truly capable of that feat. 

 

 

For those reasons I say let’s give Glen a chance to prove himself over these next eleven matches. If he can return to a level at or near his best, I think the Reds would do well to secure his services at a slightly reduced salary, providing of course Johnson is willing to accept that. In a back line lacking in both consistency and attacking prowess, Johnson’s future contributions could be vital. 

 

Joel Tracy

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At his best, Glen Johnson is a devastating attacking full back whose class and composure on the ball would make him a nailed on first choice for any team in the country. Many times last season and at the start of this campaign, his ability to glide past opponents on either side regardless of which flank he happened to be on opened up an obdurate 11-behind-the-ball defence and created space inside for the likes of Suarez, Sturridge, Coutinho or Gerrard to exploit. Furthermore, on the back foot he was no slouch either, regularly showing that tales of his defensive mediocrity were very much over-cooked.

 

And yet - yes that's right: there's a huge proviso coming - he's wildly inconsistent. For every 8 or 9 out of 10 performance, how many 4s or 5s are there? It's certainly more than one or two. You know what I mean: the half-arsed tracking, the lack of awareness of what's around him, the lazy pass to opposing feet or the overly ambitious cut-inside-and-hit-it effort. This season such performances have become the norm which is utterly galling as I had thought he'd finally turned a corner after last season when he was mostly sublime.

 

So you can clearly see I'm erring on the side of answering in the negative to this question - and that's before we mention the obscenity of his wage packet for this degree of output. It strikes me that he's had a new deal on his mind for a while - but not necessarily at Liverpool. He's been learning Italian for few years now and also knocked back an extension to his current contract on reduced, but still generous terms last year. Frankly, he must know that in this FSG-instigated "value is all" era he hasn't got a hope in hell of a six figures a week wedge at almost 30 years of age and so his gaze is turning towards pastures new.

 

That said, I'm still not averse to re-signing him. The problem is that the terms I'd offer, though potentially very generous, would be heavily weighted towards appearances in the context of his variable fitness and form, and therefore unlikely to be accepted by Johnson himself. So the most realistic response to this question is no - but that's not because I wouldn't have him; it's more that he wouldn't like what I was offering and I suspect that that is exactly how it will play out this summer: he will leave the club on a free to release his fat wedge from the balance sheet and ensure that other clubs can afford him as a free agent. And if that opens up the way for Jon Flanagan to continue his development in the Liverpool first team, even better.

 

 

Paul Natton

 

 


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You still haven't made a point. Tell me why supporters choosing some of the players we sign would be worse than the waste of funds we see now? 

 

You dont know whether they would or wouldnt. I dont. But there is a reason why Brendan Rodgers and the other people at the club have been working in football for years and the people on here havent. You're off your head if you think fans can do a better job. It's borderline mental.

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You still haven't made a point. Tell me why supporters choosing some of the players we sign would be worse than the waste of funds we see now? 

 

How's this going to work then? The fans who spend the most have the biggest say? Or the fans in an L4 postcode are the only ones to have a say? And if the fans choose 'some of the players' how are these players identified, by their unpopularity?

 

And who's going to administer this methodology? Do you think a manager like Benitez would stand for it?

 

You clearly havent thought this one through have you?

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How's this going to work then? The fans who spend the most have the biggest say? Or the fans in an L4 postcode are the only ones to have a say? And if the fans choose 'some of the players' how are these players identified, by their unpopularity?

 

And who's going to administer this methodology? Do you think a manager like Benitez would stand for it?

 

You clearly havent thought this one through have you?

 

Fuck off you patronizing dick head. 

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You still haven't made a point. Tell me why supporters choosing some of the players we sign would be worse than the waste of funds we see now?

Just reading this one forum out of the many out there should show you there are a lot of fans who know fuck all about judging a player, how many summer signings were wrote off before they hardly got a chance? Remember the famous thread about how long we can carry Sterling or the one a few years ago where most said they wouldn't swap Momo sissoko for any player.

 

There was a lot against signing sturridge and a lot were against coutinho because there were no impressive YouTube vids.

 

Your idea would never happen or work, the manager has to choose the players as he is the one who has to work with them and take responsibility for the results.

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Supporters pay a membership fee. Put in their own money and vote on who we sign. Depends how much is raised, but we could easily get 200/300million if half our fanbase give a quid. It's totally doable. Just requires a change in your serf like mentality for you to realize it's our money. 

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Because most of the time we havent got a clue what we're talking about. It's why we're discussing it on the internet.

 

If we were discussing in a pub, or town hall, or abandoned soviet submarine base would it be different?

 

Or is your point -

 

Every single person employed by a football club - 100% knows what they're on about.

Every single person not employed by a football club - Can't possibly have any idea what they're talking about.

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Social media decided Ched Evans wasn't going to play for Sheffield Utd or Oldham.. I know it's not the same but it proves in extreme cases the clubs recognised the views if the supporters ( and of course the sponsors). Its not that ridiculous that our views should be considered when extending contracts such as in the case of Johnson. After all we are not for the most part  idiots and can plainly see when a player is past his sell by date  .We have watched the guy for years and know as well as Rodgers what he offers the side. He should not play for us next season even if he leaves on a free and knocks a few million off the clubs balance sheet ( which may well be a consideration in any decision to keep him )

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If we were discussing in a pub, or town hall, or abandoned soviet submarine base would it be different?

 

Or is your point -

 

Every single person employed by a football club - 100% knows what they're on about.

Every single person not employed by a football club - Can't possibly have any idea what they're talking about.

 

It wouldnt be different at all. My point is that they're more qualified to do it than we are. Surely you cant disagree with that?  

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And thats why quims on the internet should never have a say in picking players.

 

Are you on drugs?

 

You have no point. You are still unable to tell me (and the growing number of other frustrated supporters who give the club their money) why we do not have the right to a say in which players our money gets to buy. 

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It wouldnt be different at all. My point is that they're more qualified to do it than we are. Surely you cant disagree with that?  

 

I think it's far less black and white than you seem to.

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Social media decided Ched Evans wasn't going to play for Sheffield Utd or Oldham.. I know it's not the same but it proves in extreme cases the clubs recognised the views if the supporters ( and of course the sponsors). Its not that ridiculous that our views should be considered when extending contracts such as in the case of Johnson. After all we are not for the most part  idiots and can plainly see when a player is past his sell by date  .We have watched the guy for years and know as well as Rodgers what he offers the side. He should not play for us next season even if he leaves on a free and knocks a few million off the clubs balance sheet ( which may well be a consideration in any decision to keep him )

 

There you go. 

 

We can get motivated for a player who doesn't even play for us and we never signed. 

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You have no point. You are still unable to tell me (and the growing number of other frustrated supporters who give the club their money) why we do not have the right to a say in which players our money gets to buy. 

 

I gave you about 5 or 6.

 

I like the (incorrect) presumption that I dont hand over hard earned by the way. Just shows how utterly incorrect and naive you are.

 

I'll ask you this though; Do you think we'd attract a manager like Benitez under the crowd funding type scheme you propose? Yes or no.

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I gave you about 5 or 6.

 

I like the (incorrect) presumption that I dont hand over hard earned by the way. Just shows how utterly incorrect and naive you are.

 

I'll ask you this though; Do you think we'd attract a manager like Benitez under the crowd funding type scheme you propose? Yes or no.

 

I wasn't assuming you don't hand over your hard earned. This isn't about you, you narcissistic loon. 

 

I don't actually give a fuck what manager we would attract. I am pretty sure Ancelloti is in the same boat at Real. The president tells him who he is going to sign and Carlo gets on with it. 

 

If you give a manager lots of nice players to pick, they will come. 

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I wasn't assuming you don't hand over your hard earned. This isn't about you, you narcissistic loon. 

 

I don't actually give a fuck what manager we would attract. I am pretty sure Ancelloti is in the same boat at Real. The president tells him who he is going to sign and Carlo gets on with it. 

 

If you give a manager lots of nice players to pick, they will come. 

 

Clearly we wouldn't have a manager, we'd have a head coach. Signing players would no longer be the remit of the man in charge, in much the same way as it isn't across many other clubs in Europe.

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I wasn't assuming you don't hand over your hard earned. This isn't about you, you narcissistic loon. 

 

I don't actually give a fuck what manager we would attract. I am pretty sure Ancelloti is in the same boat at Real. The president tells him who he is going to sign and Carlo gets on with it. 

 

If you give a manager lots of nice players to pick, they will come. 

 

You clearly feel inadequate in some way.

 

Anyway, you dont give a fuck which manager we have but refuse to say whether any manager would work under the proposed methodology.

 

Last time I checked, neither Real or Ancelotti operated by allowing the fans a say in which players the club signs.

 

But if you have hard evidence to the contrary.......

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Read what I wrote again Mr Rat. You are not on the cheese. 

 

You are still missing with the point you are trying to make, which proves why my idea is a bad one. It's not a bad idea. Just different to what you are used to.

 

It's the ultimate in club-supporter closeness. We actually have a say in some of the players we sign. Nothing threatening or catastrophic about that. 

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Read what I wrote again Mr Rat. You are not on the cheese. 

 

You are still missing the point you are trying to make, which proves why my idea is a bad one. It's not a bad idea. Just different to what you are used to .

 

I think you're on the blob.

 

Stupid idea that failed at Ebbsfleet. Thank fuck people like you will never be in charge.

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