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Feel the same - felt like we had started better as well. I would usually say you can’t predict the what ifs after decisions but I think even one of the unbelievable decisions doesn’t happen we would have had that.

Can you appeal on a two yellow red ?

Dissent yellow card is back just tonight though

Check will call it on

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Not even showing it and barely mentioning it at half time -what the actual .

This is a joke - I’m not of the tin hat brigade but this doesn’t feel right .

It was actually shaping up to be a great game this this so going to ruin it.

This is pathetic now I haven’t watched todays 3pms but there will be far worse that we’re deemed a yellow.

Wolves up again won’t last but still good to see teams giving it a go.

There was one line about being offered other jobs and he said something like as a former manager of Manchester United you have to have very high standards going forward . This instilled arrogant belief sums him up and the deep rooted issues the club has, the way they define themselves is exactly why they are stuck- and long may it continue.

“Selling Fred was a mistake” what the hells the answer if that’s your problem.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66821575 Chaos, waste and dysfunction the three words every well run business venture aspires to.

I didn’t even hugely disagree with the van Dijk red. There will be similar that get a yellow but it was hard to argue away - part of the reason we didn’t appeal I guess. Would have been much interesting to hear the Mac Allister red as that was overturned and contentious- hearing that discussion would have been more valuable. I would also have liked to hear what went on in the Trent - Gordon three or four minutes . Why one was moving then ball was dissent the others wasn’t and why the second incident wasn’t a yellow card. Picking some choice incidents yourself to aid transparency does the opposite it’s like choosing your own audit - pointless and actually to me appears there’s more to hide.

My thoughts after last weeks debacle was not- or not just- Lavia as another young inexperienced player is not helpful at the moment. I wanted an 28 year old plus experienced DM someone to see us through a couple of years . In other words exactly what we had lost in Fab . I know nothing about him and I’m not going to pretend I do but on face value it doesn’t seem the worst solution.

I can only think that Chelsea know there’s a way out of these deals if they need it. Selling/ loaning to clubs they have an agreement with - this is potentially very murky and only in years to come will we see the full plan.

I bet my meander through to the train station was counted in the numbers

Managed to get out of Uni course early today and catch an earlier train as they were concerned the large parade would cause us issues getting home. From what I have just seen on Oxford Road as a dashed for my train they didn’t need to worry. Also after glorious sunny day the heavens have just opened - which will leave a a few soggy Manc’s waving the sodden plastic flags .

Not a regular poster but couldn’t not in this case. please don’t spout about human Rights and women’s rights and women being honoured -see below. Rape without justice is an occurrence world wide - punishment for being bring raped however isn’t . apologies for being serious A British tourist was recently arrested in Dubai on the charges of extramarital sex, after she reported to authorities that two British nationals had raped her in a hotel room. A statement from the Dubai government said reports given by the woman as well as investigating officers from Dubai police “showed that the act happened with the consent of the three parties in question.” Just a few days ago, however, the United Arab Emirates’ authorities decided to drop the charges. The two men she accused of raping her have also been exonerated. Situations like this one are not an uncommon occurrence in the UAE. A number of couples have also been jailed or threatened with prison for adultery or having sex while unmarried. In 2013, Dubai officials pardoned a Norwegian woman who was sentenced to prison after reporting being raped when her case gained international notoriety. In 2010, a British woman was arrested after she went to the police to report she had been raped. When she eventually decided to drop the rape charges and produce a marriage certificate, she and her fiancé were allowed to go back to Britain. In 2008, a woman in Fujairah who had broken ribs and evidence of violence from being raped after her drink was spiked was charged with sex outside of marriage and held in the country for eight months. Amnesty International Gulf researcher Drewery Dyke explains that “rape victims are accused of having engaged in illicit sexual relations”, while “the rape allegations themselves have been left uninvestigated”. The UAE has a large presence of westerners, both as tourists and workers. Dubai, for example, sees about 1 million British visitorsevery year, and is home to about 100,000. It is a popular tourist destination and with its “skyrise buildings, slick bars and glitzy shopping malls,” Dubai may seem like any other Western capital. Behind this appearance, however, are very strict morality laws. In the UAE, it is illegal for married couples to have sex outside of wedlock, as well as for a single person to have sex with someone who is married. The prescribed punishments for extramarital sex in the UAE include imprisonment, deportation, as well as floggings and stoning. Perhaps the largest judicial drawback to these already troubling laws is the burden of proof the law puts on victims of any kind of sexual assault. A confession from the rapist, for example, as well as four adult male witnesses to corroborate the crime are necessary for the rape accusation to be considered. Radha Stirling, founder of Detained in Dubai, calls the system of justice in the UAE, “tremendously disturbing… Police regularly fail to differentiate between consensual intercourse and violent rape”. Sexual assault and rape victims go to authorities expecting justice under the law, and not only do they often become invalidated, (a phenomenon that is certainly not specific to the UAE), but they actually end up being punished for it. When the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the UAE was asked to give advice to rape victims, their response was: “The UAE is a Muslim country. Laws and customs are very different to those in the UK. You should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times…There may be serious penalties for doing something that might not be illegal in the UK.” The way that laws are structured in the UAE, however, can often be vague, due to their traditional nature, as well as the overarching influence of Sharia law. Rothna Begum, a women’s rights researchers at Human Rights Watch London notes, for example, that UAE authorities “have not clarified what they mean by indecency” and therefore “the judges can use their culture and customs and Sharia ultimately to broaden out that definition and convict people for illicit sexual relations or even acts of public affection”. Furthermore, laws are structured so they are left to the wide interpretation of any given authority, which often entirely lacks gender equality. Under UAE judicial interpretation of civil law, for example, it is completely permissible for a husband to physically punish his wife, whereas it is a crime for a wife to work without her husband’s permission. The system of law and justice in the UAE is inadequate and unusable for women seeking support in cases of sexual abuse. Ms. Stirling told The Independent: “We get people contacting us asking whether they should report a crime and – whether it be a rape or anything else – I often say no. Absolutely not.” It was not due process, but rather, the vast international attention given to the most recent case of alleged rape in Dubai that caused the charges to be dropped. The Detained in Dubai Website states, “While, of course, we are relieved that the British national…has been freed; it is impossible to ignore the fact that this decision was taken as a direct result of intensive media condemnation, and not because the legal system in Dubai performed a proper investigation into the allegations.” If the international outcry had not been so overwhelming, there is “no doubt” that this woman would still be facing charges. While it is important to give attention to the cases that are described above, it is absolutely essential to note that in every case, the woman has been a foreigner. Rape victims who are UAE citizens have not “uniformly had the same protections,” as the international eye is often only on the Western citizens in non-Western countries. Hundreds of women, some of them pregnant, are being imprisoned in the United Arab Emirates every year under laws that outlaw consensual sex outside marriage. While it is more than clear there are multiple sexist structural issues that need to be addressed in UAE governance, (like with many fundamental political problems), they must be undertaken on the prerogative of the society itself, rather than as a reaction to an outraged outsider

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Not someone who morally posts but this has to be said when we are talking about respect human rights and women’s rights see below there is no justification. Rape without justice is a world wide issue - but to be raped and punished is limited to very few places so please don’t talk about women’s being respected and having rights and being honoured A British tourist was recently arrested in Dubai on the charges of extramarital sex, after she reported to authorities that two British nationals had raped her in a hotel room. A statement from the Dubai government said reports given by the woman as well as investigating officers from Dubai police “showed that the act happened with the consent of the three parties in question.” Just a few days ago, however, the United Arab Emirates’ authorities decided to drop the charges. The two men she accused of raping her have also been exonerated. Situations like this one are not an uncommon occurrence in the UAE. A number of couples have also been jailed or threatened with prison for adultery or having sex while unmarried. In 2013, Dubai officials pardoned a Norwegian woman who was sentenced to prison after reporting being raped when her case gained international notoriety. In 2010, a British woman was arrested after she went to the police to report she had been raped. When she eventually decided to drop the rape charges and produce a marriage certificate, she and her fiancé were allowed to go back to Britain. In 2008, a woman in Fujairah who had broken ribs and evidence of violence from being raped after her drink was spiked was charged with sex outside of marriage and held in the country for eight months. Amnesty International Gulf researcher Drewery Dyke explains that “rape victims are accused of having engaged in illicit sexual relations”, while “the rape allegations themselves have been left uninvestigated”. The UAE has a large presence of westerners, both as tourists and workers. Dubai, for example, sees about 1 million British visitorsevery year, and is home to about 100,000. It is a popular tourist destination and with its “skyrise buildings, slick bars and glitzy shopping malls,” Dubai may seem like any other Western capital. Behind this appearance, however, are very strict morality laws. In the UAE, it is illegal for married couples to have sex outside of wedlock, as well as for a single person to have sex with someone who is married. The prescribed punishments for extramarital sex in the UAE include imprisonment, deportation, as well as floggings and stoning. Perhaps the largest judicial drawback to these already troubling laws is the burden of proof the law puts on victims of any kind of sexual assault. A confession from the rapist, for example, as well as four adult male witnesses to corroborate the crime are necessary for the rape accusation to be considered. Radha Stirling, founder of Detained in Dubai, calls the system of justice in the UAE, “tremendously disturbing… Police regularly fail to differentiate between consensual intercourse and violent rape”. Sexual assault and rape victims go to authorities expecting justice under the law, and not only do they often become invalidated, (a phenomenon that is certainly not specific to the UAE), but they actually end up being punished for it. When the Foreign and Commonwealth Office of the UAE was asked to give advice to rape victims, their response was: “The UAE is a Muslim country. Laws and customs are very different to those in the UK. You should respect local traditions, customs, laws and religions at all times…There may be serious penalties for doing something that might not be illegal in the UK.” The way that laws are structured in the UAE, however, can often be vague, due to their traditional nature, as well as the overarching influence of Sharia law. Rothna Begum, a women’s rights researchers at Human Rights Watch London notes, for example, that UAE authorities “have not clarified what they mean by indecency” and therefore “the judges can use their culture and customs and Sharia ultimately to broaden out that definition and convict people for illicit sexual relations or even acts of public affection”. Furthermore, laws are structured so they are left to the wide interpretation of any given authority, which often entirely lacks gender equality. Under UAE judicial interpretation of civil law, for example, it is completely permissible for a husband to physically punish his wife, whereas it is a crime for a wife to work without her husband’s permission. The system of law and justice in the UAE is inadequate and unusable for women seeking support in cases of sexual abuse. Ms. Stirling told The Independent: “We get people contacting us asking whether they should report a crime and – whether it be a rape or anything else – I often say no. Absolutely not.” It was not due process, but rather, the vast international attention given to the most recent case of alleged rape in Dubai that caused the charges to be dropped. The Detained in Dubai Website states, “While, of course, we are relieved that the British national…has been freed; it is impossible to ignore the fact that this decision was taken as a direct result of intensive media condemnation, and not because the legal system in Dubai performed a proper investigation into the allegations.” If the international outcry had not been so overwhelming, there is “no doubt” that this woman would still be facing charges. While it is important to give attention to the cases that are described above, it is absolutely essential to note that in every case, the woman has been a foreigner. Rape victims who are UAE citizens have not “uniformly had the same protections,” as the international eye is often only on the Western citizens in non-Western countries. Hundreds of women, some of them pregnant, are being imprisoned in the United Arab Emirates every year under laws that outlaw consensual sex outside marriage. While it is more than clear there are multiple sexist structural issues that need to be addressed in UAE governance, (like with many fundamental political problems), they must be undertaken on the prerogative of the society itself, rather than as a reaction to an outraged outsider