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  1. The clubs near the bottom need to be careful. Whether they want to admit it or not, the tv and other contracts they get from being in the premier league are so lucrative entirely because of teams like us, United and Arsenal. They might see this as a get out of jail card to remain on the premier league gravy train for another season, but such short-term opportunism might lead to there not being a gravy train for much longer. The big clubs seem to all want to finish the season because they have the most to lose financially if it doesn't happen, and if they see the other teams going out of their way to deliberately hinder any chance of that happening then they're likely to remember that next time sorting out things like tv deals come up. Perhaps they'll decide that it's time to look at independent tv deals. What sort of money would Sky and BT be offering if a Premier league package only included options like Watford vs Bournemouth? This is of course if most clubs haven't gone bankrupt if they don't find a way resume. I still don't see how next season can happen if this one can't be concluded. Conditions aren't going to be any different by the end of the year, let alone this fabled August all the null and voiders seem to be dreaming of a new season starting in. It may be unpalatable to be talking of football resuming whilst all this is going on, but like it or not it is a business, and I don't see how making plans to try and rescue it is any different from what other businesses are doing at the moment.
  2. European games will be harder because of all the travelling between countries. Personally I'm starting to think it's going to be incredibly difficult to get a full league season in next year, though. None of the logistical problems they keep mentioning that may hinder finishing this season are just going to go away. There's plenty of talk about second and third waves of the virus and how lockdown and social distancing measures may be relaxed but then need to be tightened again at points. I think the leagues seriously need to look at alternatives to playing a full 38 game season next year regardless of when and if this season actually gets completed. Otherwise there's every chance that they'll just end up with 2 incomplete seasons.
  3. If Ajax and Alkmaar were level on points then surely the fairest way to decide it would have been a straight playoff between the two for the title. That could have taken place just before whenever the new season starts. How can abstaining votes be counted one way or the other for promotion and relegation? It sounds like the Dutch authorities really wanted to just effectively void the season (let's be honest, they're doing it in all but name) and did everything they could to make it happen. I feel sorry for the clubs who were having good seasons who missed out, just as I did with all the non-league teams. There have been some really braindead decisions made in football since this all started. Voiding any league at this point in the season is by far the most unjust thing any league at any level could do. The need to decide European places is an irrelevant pipe dream. There's no way the European competitions are going to go ahead as normal next season.
  4. Perhaps the fairest thing would be to just finish the season. Leave everything as it stands but no relegation - apart from West Ham. It's going to be hard enough to get a regular 20 team premier league season played next year, let alone one that would be expanded if they honoured promotions and had no relegation. I'm sure all their complaints about ending the season are from a purely humanitarian perspective and all they care about is the greater good, so in an act of pure altruism they'll be more than happy to make things a bit easier and give up their premier league place.
  5. Lots of logistical problems - none of which will just go away if they start a new season. On the basis of everything in that article, then we might as well just say, 'right, that's it then. No football at all until a vaccine is found.' Except that's not what all the pricks being quoted in that article want because there would only be about half a dozen clubs left who hadn't gone bankrupt by the time that happens. It's about time someone actually asked these people how exactly they envision a full season being played out around this virus when they dismiss every suggestion that is made to try and get 9 or 10 games played.
  6. Yeah, I keep thinking way too much is being made about the impact of out of contract players. The simple truth is that if any of these players were that important to these sides, they'd have long since extended their contracts or sold them before losing them for nothing. We all have different views, but I really don't understand the view of any Liverpool fan who wouldn't want the title being given to us if they didn't finish the season. We're an unprecedented 25 points clear with 9 games to play. We've waited 30 years for a league title. Even if the season isn't played to a conclusion that's the one issue that shouldn't even be up for debate when they're deciding how to finalise everything. It's everything else which would be the issue as I really couldn't see teams who are in the relegation zone only on goal difference accepting just being relegated.
  7. There's a line in that article about how curtailing this season will allow them to plan for ticket sales for next season. Are they honestly expecting big crowds to be allowed in football stadiums if they start in August?
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    Atletico Madrid 1 Liverpool 0 (Feb 18 2020)

    With the early freekick against Mo in the corner, the linesman was stood a few yards away and didn't give it. Whilst some of the other occasions the ref fell for blatant dives may have been excusable considering the extent of the theatrics, surely the ref should be going with the linesman in that instance. Hopefully we get a stronger referee in the second leg. It's hard to imagine they'll get away with even a fraction of the theatrics at Anfield.
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    Shewsbury Town 2 Liverpool 2 (Jan 26 2020)

    It's a tough one isn't it? And something that shouldn't have even been an issue but for some really unprofessional attitudes from the senior players involved yesterday. In seasons gone by and maybe even last season I'd have been so annoyed with them that I'd have wanted Klopp to tell them they'd lost their time off privilege and would be involved in the replay, but I'm just so proud of the whole first team squad this season that I'm feeling a bit more charitable towards them and willing to forgive them for one dodgy outing. Winning the FA Cup would be nice, but it's bottom of our list of priorities this season. Everyone in and around the first team squad might yet have a role to play and I wouldn't want to see anyone injured in the replay. I certainly don't think it would be fair to punish any of the other fringe players/those returning from injury by making them be involved if they'd already been promised a week off. It would be a shame for Shrewsbury if they missed out on a big gate receipt from the replay if there was either a poor attendance due to high ticket prices for what looks like being effectively an under 23 game, or because the club charges a heavily reduced ticket price. Maybe the club could organise a friendly with them for pre season and that would benefit them?
  10. Vardy must be excited at the prospect of facing them in a few weeks. Although the way things are going we might actually be better off with City doing something in that game. A draw would probably be ideal. Arsenal certainly have the forwards to cause them problems next week as well, but it's probably a bit much expecting anything from them these days. They'll probably score 1 or 2, but City will get 3 or 4 at the other end.
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    Liverpool 2 Brighton 1 (Nov 30 2019)

    Atkinson on VAR for Wednesday as well. Not only is he not being kept away from our games like he should be, but he seems to be involved in virtually every one of them in some way. We'd better hope VAR isn't needed for any marginal offside decisions on Wednesday, and we might as well forget about getting a penalty, as even if the on pitch ref gives it, Atkinson will find a reason to overturn it.
  12. I'd actually wiped the memory of that early Firmino effort out of my mind it was so bad. It was probably the first of many times where I was also screaming 'what the fuck was that?' at the telly. Ah well, at least we didn't lose and, as you mentioned, at least this game came early on in the season rather than during the run in like last year. The annoying thing is City will go there and make them look exactly like the bottom half shitbags they really are.
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    Liverpool 4 Salzburg 3 (Oct 2 2019)

    I thought the ref was really bad as well. There was an incident just before halftime that really irritated me. We won the ball back in their half and at first he seemed happy for play to go on despite their player going down, but then he suddenly seemed to change his mind when he realised how exposed it had left them. Just seemed like he panicked and went against his own conviction because he was worried how it might look for him if it led to a goal and replays showed there had been any contact on their player. There was no contact at all on their player. It seemed fairly inconsequential at the time, but a fourth goal at that point probably would have led to a completely different second half. Some of his other decisions were pretty bizarre and inconsistent as well (rightly booked Fabinho for a cynical challenge late on to stop a dangerous looking counter attack but had failed to book one of their players for doing virtually the same thing not long before). I actually quite liked their manager. He just seemed passionate and got a bit carried away at times because of it.
  14. VAR really is a waste of time the way they're using it. Constantly slows the game down checking back on nothing incidents and then when there's the chance to actually correct a match changing decision like that they refuse to use it to overrule the original decision. My thoughts watching in real time were it was a clumsy challenge by Robertson and it was a penalty, but the replays clearly showed there was no contact and the player just threw himself to the ground. If that's not a clear and obvious error then what is? Does it need the diving player to wink at the camera before he chucks himself to the ground? VAR isn't the problem - it's the fact it's being used by utter imbeciles. The performance wasn't great but we were heading for a solid enough away draw before that, which would have left most of us happy enough. If the front 3 hadn't all been completely off all night then it probably would have been an away win and we'd have been hailing Klopp for his tactics being perfect. It was a better performance than in this fixture last year at least. The response after the goal was pretty woeful, but there wasn't a great deal of time to sort it out and Napoli are probably one of the worst teams in Europe to be chasing a game against. It's a long time since we've lost, and weirdly one defeat in this competition is a lot less damaging than a premier league defeat would be. Plenty of chances to sort it out at least, and it doesn't really matter too much whether we finish first or second. Need to make absolutely sure we do the job at home to Leipzig next time though or we really will be making qualification difficult for ourselves.
  15. Great reports throughout the year, Dave. Always enjoyable to read. Well worth the £2 subscription fee alone for anyone who doesn't subscribe. Should be an enjoyable summer. Think I'm actually looking forward to a break from football for a few weeks after tension filled match after match in the last few months.
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    Liverpool 4 Barcelona 0 (May 7 2019)

    We seem to be back to like it was under Rafa when every team in Europe would think 'oh shit' if they drew us in a two legged tie. Manchester City are probably the only team I wouldn't be entirely confident of beating over 2 legs these days. I'd probably make it 50-50 with them. Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern, Juventus, PSG … we'd batter the lot of them. Barcelona had an incredibly jammy first leg and it still wasn't enough for them. I fancy us for the final whoever we get, but I'd feel a lot happier if it was being played over 2 legs. Weird one with the ref. He was driving me potty in the first half. Seemed to fall for it every time one of their players went down but theatrically wave away any fouls on our players. But in the second half I can't recall even noticing him - usually a good sign for a ref. Impossible to pick a motm. Was reading some of the newspaper ratings earlier and ridiculously one of them awarded Milner a 6 and Fabinho a 7 (they gave a lot of the Barcelona players a 6 as well, so it's not like they'd just set a ridiculously high scoring scale). I'd love to know what game they were watching.
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    Barcelona 3 Liverpool 0 (May 1 2019)

    As bad as the English referees are, the ones we've had in some of the big European games in recent years have been even worst. I just don't think he was prepared to make any sort of decision that might upset their fans last night. Some of the tackles their players didn't get punished for were ridiculous. And whilst the amount of cheating and moaning from a lot of the top sides is pretty hard to watch these days, no one else ever seems to be anything like the level of the big 2 Spanish teams. Sadly, we've found that out to our cost in the last 2 seasons. To be honest, I wouldn't mind if we did try it ourselves against them next week. Fuck playing nicely against a team like that. But I'd hate it if our players acted like that on a weekly basis. God knows how Messi is seen as some sort of bastion of great sportsmanship whilst Mo seems to have acquired a reputation for being a cheat.
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    Liverpool 2 Chelsea 0 (Apr 14 2019)

    Ah, the Higuaín chance was the other chance they had. I was reading BlueMoon last night and they were all moaning about Chelsea missing 3 great chances in quick succession. I shit myself on the two Hazard ones and was just waiting for the net to bulge, but I think I was so convinced that Higuaín would fuck it up in that position that I just ended up erasing the chance from my mind. I do vaguely recall it now. Ridiculous how he's developed a reputation as a diver this year. He's one of the most honest players around. It often looks a bit forced when a player running at pace goes down when he's caught slightly. The challenges aren't usually enough to knock them down completely, but they're always enough to knock the player out of their stride and lose the chance. But the refs never give anything if they don't go to the ground, so it's hard to blame anyone for going down easily.
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    Liverpool 2 FC Porto 0 (April 9 2019)

    The offside goal did go to VAR. Even on the replays it was extremely hard to tell and looked to me like a defender's outstretched arm was maybe keeping Mane level. There was certainly no benefit of the doubt given. I always thought the linesman was supposed to keep his flag down in such tight scenarios, too. I don't even really know how it's supposed to work entirely. Is it like the NFL where they always go with the original decision unless there's clear evidence to overturn it? Had the goal been given originally then it might have been hard to overturn it in that case. VAR was just doing my head in even watching it at home last night, and it must have been much worst for anyone at the ground. I can't imagine anyone in the ground had a clue what they were checking for on the Lovren penalty incident in the second half. It's going to seriously slow the flow of the game down if they're constantly stopping to check for things like that (didn't exactly make any difference in the second half last night as there was never any game flow to slow down). One step from the semi finals and yet there seems to be a general air of indifference amongst people about the champions league this year because everyone's so wrapped up in the title challenge. What a lovely contrast to the state we were in a few years back, though, when we'd have all been happy with a run in just about any competition. On to Chelsea. I didn't see Chelsea's game on Monday, but the commentators last night were raving on about how great Hazard was in it. Good to know he's come into form just before he faces us just for a change. No idea what will happen but can guarantee Chelsea won't just wave the white flag like they did at City. Hopefully this is the month where the fixture pile up will weigh City down. Last night was a good start, with them finally being given a game, as it wont make much difference how many fixtures they play if all their games continue to be the glorified training sessions they've been playing for the last few months.
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    Everton 0 Liverpool 0 (March 3 2019)

    Good report. I'm starting to think we're just cursed in the league. We finally sort out the defence after years of keystone cop defending, and the forwards go to shit instead. If the front 3 had performed anything like they had last season then we would have absolutely walked the league, even up against the financially doped juggernaut that is City. Mane has probably been about the same as last year - he's been inconsistent this year but he was by far the least consistent of the front 3 last year, too - but the form of Salah and Firmino has just fallen off a cliff. As you say, I think it's more likely Salah was having the season of his life last year and we're getting his general level now - a very decent player but too inconsistent to really be considered world class. They've not really shown up in any of the big away games this year - other than at maybe Spurs, and even then they were wasteful as hell. The failure of Keita to make an impact has perhaps highlighted the contrasting situations at the two clubs. Every big signing we make has to be an instant success, while they can get away with signing a few expensive duds. They signed Mahrez for a similar amount and he's had a pretty minimal impact on their season (I know he scored the winner at the weekend, but they've basically had a 50 million fringe player with him). Good point about the difference in efforts teams make against us and City, too. We all knew it would be the case with Everton - our failure is their only hope of success - but the fans of other clubs definitely want City to win it over us, and I think a lot of the players do, too. Certainly with the fans it's down to a hatred of us while no one really cares about City, but I think players of teams like Chelsea and United would find City winning it more bearable as it would be a lot easier to justify their only failure to win the league. If City win it then they can just say they lost out to a team with a much more expensive squad, but if we were to win it they'd have no such excuse.
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    West Ham 1 Liverpool (Feb 4 2019)

    Definitely true about the performances this year. We're doing so much better in terms of points than last season and yet there barely seems to be have been any games where we've completely blown teams away like last year. It briefly seemed to be clicking around December, but we seem to just be back to the start of the year now but without the clean sheets to bail us out. I just don't get why the players look so knackered. They always seemed to be a step or two too late to every challenge last night. I'm definitely starting to worry. In terms of the fans being split - this week has reminded me a lot of the week under Rafa where we had back to back draws with, if memory serves me correctly, Fulham and West Ham in December, and Anfield was a mixture of agitation at the dropped points from some and others getting annoyed with them and chanting about being top of the league. If we could get over this long title drought then everyone would probably have a much greater sense of perspective in future challenges, but as it is we just seem to become a tenser and tenser fanbase with each year it continues.
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    Brighton 0 Liverpool 1 (Jan 12 2019)

    I've always found just how little effort most teams put into researching opposition penalty takers baffling as well. You'd think the goalkeeper and goalkeeping coach would spend a long session going over where players are likely to take it in the week before a game, but most keepers seem to just randomly make some half-hearted dive and hope for the best. Obviously the taker is the favourite in the situation and if he hits it perfectly into a corner will score every time, but there are definitely patterns with some takers which keepers seem to pay no attention to at all. I'm amazed no keeper has ever just decided that they're just not going to dive when Hazard takes a penalty no matter how much he tries to convince them otherwise that he's not going to just roll it down the middle again. Salah certainly never really fills me with much confidence on penalties. It probably is only a matter of time before he misses one and let's just hope it's in a game we're winning by a few goals rather than late on in a 0-0 draw or something. The trouble is there's not really anyone else in the squad who looks a better option. Firmino has missed a fair few, Mane seems to be terrible at them. Milner is probably the most reliable but even he's missed some and he's not always on the pitch to take them anyway. Wasn't Fabinho supposed to have an outstanding penalty taking record? Yet he's never seemed to show any inclination to take any. I guess maybe the worry would be what the reaction would be if a defensive midfielder took the ball away from an attacking player and then actually missed.
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    Manchester City 2 Liverpool 1 (Jan 3 2019)

    Yep, you're right. Certainly was a bad time for it to run out last night though. I hope we now get ridiculous good luck in every league game between now and the end of the season.
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    Manchester City 2 Liverpool 1 (Jan 3 2019)

    Good report. Agree with pretty much every part of it. So sick of City and their obnoxious fans. They were much more fun when they were a complete irrelevance before winning the lottery. I'm mainly sick of how we never seem to get the rub of the green and/or competent referees whenever it seems to really matter. Last 2 Champions League finals, the Europa League final, the Chelsea game at Anfield, even the 2-1 loss at City in the same season as the Chelsea game when a clearly onside Sterling was flagged offside when clean through - it always seems as though every major factor that influences the result seems to go against us. But we still have a 4 point lead. Who knows what happens next. Maybe in a week's time we thrash Brighton and then Wolves go and do a job on City like they did at Spurs and the gap opens up again. It's still in our hands at the moment anyway, and hopefully it will stay that way.
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    Liverpool 1 Napoli 0 (Dec 11 2018)

    It wasn't just people in the ground; the decisions of the ref were just as perplexing and infuriating watching at home on tv. I hadn't realised it was the same guy as the Roma tie so, yeah, definitely a good thing that he never got an opportunity to make any really pivotal decisions such as awarding them a penalty as we'd probably be out now. The only decision he made which might have maybe made a difference in terms of the score was the one he gave for the non-existent foul on their keeper when he just flapped at the ball and fell over; we'd have been in a great position to score with the way it fell and the keeper still down on the floor. Matip injured as well? Suddenly starting to look rather thin at the back with Gomez out injured. Not a good situation with the busy Christmas schedule coming up.