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The only way most of the severe cases can be helped is compulsory care, as you say criminalising is a complete waste of time and money.

Like I said, put the severe in to compulsory care. Proper funded care. Give them a chance

I wish I could fear for them

I'm not talking about temporary measures to suit headlines but a proper thought out plan that takes people with severe issues in to compulsory care until they are able to use something like housing first. It looks like there is no evidence that my idea doesn't work. We're in the unsual position whereby we can't dig up Google reports to chuck at each other, just our opinions.

Housing First, I agree, if you can get people to engage is the best way of doing things, cheaper and more humane, as you say. Well, there are social services, courts and prisons that can decide who needs compulsory help. I have no evidence it will work, just what I see. I thought that you had stacks of evidence that my solution for severe cases doesn't work?

I like that, it seems great. However, where is the evidence that it is better than compulsory care for the severe cases that you will see in any city centre today? Housing First should most definitely be available throughout the country but there are many it cannot help back in to society.

Proof that voluntary assistance works better than compulsory for severe cases? If that's true, fair enough I'm wrong. I'd like to see it.

You seem to just be talking about prison, I'm talking about all severe addicts and mentally ill. In these severe cases, often, any voluntary actions they are required to do don't happen and the cycle continues.

Yes, unless they are mentally ill or severe addicts, as I have said, in which case you have no choice but to impose stuff on them if you want them to have any chance of ever living a decent life.

People can be sectioned now, its done for their own good. Taking the vulnerable addicts and mentally ill off the streets in to secure rehabilitation centres is just an extension of that. The alternative is to try to support them but relying on them to also support themselves, it usually doesn't work. The mentally ill wont self medicate, the addicts wont go anywhere where they cant feed their addiction and the cycle continues. You think its dehumanising them, I really don't see any alternative. Please bear in mind I'm only talking about severe cases involving addicts and mentally ill.

Well, the judgement of homeless addicts and mentally health people doesn't tend to do them any long term good. There are plenty of people that choose to live on such parks year round, a good example would be the fitties at Cleethorpes. Clearly I'm not talking about shit caravans.

Thats my point, reverse it.

Another thing that contributes, but maybe not as much as addiction etc is domestic abuse. There are plenty of families in temporary housing - hostels, hotels, caravan parks as a result of abusive partners.

I think the resources could be found. It costs £520 a week to house some of the homeless in hotels/caravan park round here, plus their benefits. Not sure how much but it costs quite a lot to imprison people. Then there is the unseen savings in reduction of crime, NHS etc. Obviously there is the money governments squander. The emphasis must be on making the mentally ill and addicts able to function in society. They cant do it on their own, it must be compulsory. I've just started to watch a documentary called the Gypsy Billionaire, I'm only a bit of a way through it but he talks about solving the lack of affordable homes with Caravan/static home parks. It will be interesting to see how that works, its always been something I wondered about.

Ok, lets see how this goes down. As a society we treat people that sleep rough or forever in and out of homelessness due to addiction or mental health, as the same as people that function normally. In other words they get the same human rights. I would contend that they should be forced to go into mental health/addiction facilities and given full treatment and rehabilitation before going into halfway hostels before being let loose into society again. Whilst being mentored and supported. We don't give such people the tools to be able to cope with life as best they can, they just live a life of misery ending up in premature death, disowned and unwanted.

Great fight and best result. I'd love to see them go again but I doubt it would be free to air.

The more I think about it I don't think Fury has a chance against Usyk, I think he knows it. I really wouldn't be surprised if its called off again

Pilates for me next.

No I wasn't, it makes sense now. Thanks

With you! Thanks

Once again Cornwall is missed off the map. Disgusted.

So basically whatever weight I can do 5 lots of 5 reps. When people say they can bench press 180kg or whatever, they mean they can do 1 or a certain number of reps?

I'm sorry but I don't understand. What is 1RM?

Is that what I should have done? Fair enough.

I've never really done much bench pressing, I tend to do lower weights and high reps. How does it work, do you try to lift as high a weight as possible, how many reps do you do? Is there a benefit?