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What, you mean less than do anything for us than the 'we'll get thumped here, I'm saying it not because I want that result, I actually crave the opposite, but because I'm a pre-Enlightenment dweeb who fears anything on a forum can actually affect a real football result via a strange twisting of meant and not-meant statements during the build-up'? In that case, I'm very much unconvinced. I was merely referring to the real and rational world where getting cheated out of a result might just actually have some effect, of some measure, on those who went through the previous one. I'm just not sure why you'd insist, with apodictic it force, that couldn't possibly have any impact at all.

How the heck do YOU know???? It isn't way past it to loads of people, including Klopp.

If they can't get arsed about inflicting revenge in terms of the away game and the VAR insanity, none of them deserve to be playing.

One of the things that's not really fully appreciated these days: he became player-manager of LFC. At the time it was a huge ask to be player-manager of any club, but LIVERPOOL? And he did what he did. The pressure must have been incredible, but he finished that season like that. Players these days get wildly hyped for way, way, way, less than that (note anyone from Arsenal, or, let's be honest, the mountains of hagiographies that followed Firmino on his exit), but Kenny just shrugged it all off in his usual modest way. An extraordinary player, manager and man.

That was an enjoyable presser. A real end of season feel to it, but his couldn't give a damn comments were great, especially about BT/TNT or whatever the heck they're called.

That's literally how it works, in a literary sense.

Now this is precisely the kind of heckler who ruins the most throwaway of lines. It's right up there with: 'That's very nearly an armful? I'm sorry to disabuse you, but blood doesn't work like that. It doesn't fill up an arm like your limb is a sort of water bottle. No, no, let me take you back to the 17th century, and the work of William Harvey....' Or: 'This parrot is deceased. I'm not sure why you're arguing about this.There are certain tell-tale ways to assess the health of a parrot...'

In other news, Dyche celebrated his recent win by ordering a special serving of worms:

He's slowing down, defenders have absolutely mastered how to play against him in the area (given his aversion to shooting with his right foot), he's into his thirties and starting to get problems in terms of fitness, he's earning (sort of) an obscene amount of money, and, on top of that, he appears to think he's so important he's entitled to act like he's a free rider. I'm not sure why any new manager would be THAT keen on taking on a player like that when he's looking to stamp his signature on the style of play and move forward with energy and conviction. Let him go to the sacred land of misogynism and murder.

He does have a leg to stand on. It's his right leg. Harvey Elliott, as a keen disciple, has been working hard at making his own right leg as utterly shite as Mo's right leg.

The whole coaching staff seem to have dozed off in recent weeks. Pep normally leaps around and chats to Jurgen - most of the time now he's just sitting back (daydreaming about his new job?). Even Achterberg, half-coach, half-mascot, looks like someone's drugged his 7-up. When the players need to be shaken out of their sleepiness, a dozy dugout isn't a good look.

Disgraceful. And delusional. The club should be clamping down on this, but I guess it's too distracted with its own briefing about Klopp and Nunez. It's hard enough to keep all the players under control when they know the manager is leaving, but when the new manager is already chatting away in public about the club it makes Klopp look like Banquo's fecking ghost. Salah's always been a bit of self-obsessed little tit, which has been easy to tolerate when he's been scoring masses of goals, but to play the way he's played this year, and to behave like this - he needs a public rebuke.

I'm not sure why I'm bothering, but: do you honestly think that kind of faux misunderstanding was worth it?

Yes, that's why I didn't regard that as at all likely. Like most fans, I'm trying to make sense of what the club is doing, with minimal guidance from the club.

It's a fair enough point, and an encouraging one. But that's in the Dutch league. He'll have to shorten the pitch a heck of a lot more to cope with the added pressure here.

From the outside, he comes from quite a weak league (even Klopp took a while to get used to just how intense it is here, against smaller clubs and in the cup against lower league teams), and he has done far less than Klopp in Europe, who arrived having been in a final. So it would be irrational for fans not to be concerned. On the positive side, it sounds like he plays good football, although the greater pace and intensity here will probably lead to him either adjusting over time or, like Klopp, contend with a squad struggling with exhaustion and injury on a chronic basis. I guess it hinges on how trusting we are of the club doing its due diligence. He could be a place holder for Alonso, but that begs so many questions that it seems way too much of a gamble, so one can only hope that they really do think he has the right potential to succeed, and suceed pretty quickly, here.

Yes. Which was partly my point when he returned to the club in a more powerful position. It was okay before for him to embrace all of that shadowy 'man of mystery' aura. It isn't now. That's not how LFC works. He's one of those at the club who have a responsibility to front up and support the manager and players and engage with the fans. Before he could pretty much decide for himself how semi-detached he would be, allowing the credit to come his way, deservedly or not, while leaving Klopp to take any flak if anything went wrong. Now he's there to be shot at, just like his manager, and whether it's him or someone else enaging in the dark arts, he has to see that it stops.

Well, that was a decent person giving credit to his colleagues. Whereas this leak is quite different. It's nice when you lurk in the shadows - you can choose when to step forward into the spotlight and when to stay back and hide.

The most thought he's invested in the past year has concerned the length of his socks.

Not really that much like too much different from any half, in any of these games, at any of these grounds, in any of these past decades. But let's not let that dilute the wailing and whining as if this is some kind of weird and entirely unexpected scenario.

A typed laugh of exasperation? Fucking hell. Grow the fuck up.

Ha ha, idiotic manc-like rants, "ha ha" - really???

And that broadcast from the Masochism Channel is available for all from now...

Pretty definitive from you, then. Off to your stable, no need to repeat.

Disgraceful dive. And some commentators pretend they don't realise..