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quality second striker (beardsley class second striker) or quality winger (barnes class winger) obviously for the sake of argument you can't choose both, also say why you think one would serve us better than the other.

if this takeover go on much longer am I the only one who has done ZERO work this week constantly checking the website for take over news?

Probably been sparked by just watchin an hour with Gerrard on LFC TV. Fantastic watchin highlights of the fa cups in recent years, league cups, uefa cup and of course the best of all in recent years the champions league. Perhaps at times we take things for granted supporting this club due to the sucess we have had in the last 4 decades but Just watchin the boys and gerrard lift that european cup just makes you more hungry for more success. I was just wondering whether people wthnk we will win the league in gerrard's liverpool career. Im obviously accepting he will have to adapt his role in a couple of years as I think a main asset of his is his athleticism but I think he will probably have about 4/5 years more in the position he plays and then he will probably have to go in a more defensive midfielder role for the club. Gerrard says on the programme "me an jamie talk about winning the league most days". I was 7 years old last time we won the league an me an my mates are always on about it. I dont know what peoples views are but I would love nothing more than him to lift that trophy at anfield. whats the verdict?

are you going to give him a chance? if the answer is no what do you intend to do about it?

There is a strong rumor that they will play Slane this year. Now that would be cool.

there seems to be an extra urgency (from the fans) that borders on desparation do you think this is driven by us not winning the league for almost two decades or is it because the mancs are closing on 19. opinions please.

What do we need to do tomake you less than livid this year? As Moores would say, "What is the minimum requirement for you to be happy"?

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how many years has it been since macca left, but two managers now are hellbent on playing strikers there. since macca has left on the wing I've seen heskey diouf pongolle cisse baros voronin kuyt all on the wing, can we not for once pour all our money on ONE quality wide player even if it means not getting a new striker in the summer

How long do these fucking cold/flu germs last? Each day I've woken up with it I've been hoping for an improvement after nukeing it with Flu plus shite, and each morning I wake up I feel worse and like I've been kicked up and down a cobbled street by a mad Donkey. How long did the rest of you have it for? Ive had it since Monday and I don't think the worst point has arrived yet.

hand on heart, do you honestly think he has what it takes opinion please. for the record I do but not out wide.

Alright Scouse? New whipping boy on the block for you. Manc born/bred, 20+ year Old trafford K stander. Always enjoyed the scouse/manc banter and after reading these forums for a while now, thought I'd finally join up. So, to topic. ... all this 'match is on the telly so let's go rob his house' crap is doing you no favours at all ya know? Threre's gotta be a great punchline somewhere?

what happened? this isn't about dishing out blame just recounting of events and why did the italians turn their backs on our message of welcome when we played juve in 2005 thanks in advance

I've been there the past week and not been posting on here. Summarise the mother Hubbard for me please and maybe even rate it. Early reports indicate it has been fucking Horendi without my balls and ball juice. But did we expect nothing less?

rafa the owners on the fence

chelsea charged with failing to control their players in the united game, but John Terry hasnt been charged even though the ref included the fact that Terry tried to grab the red card out of his hand before he raised it. The picture on the beeb website clearly shows makalele (or swp, a little black lad anyway) trying to prevent the ref from raising his arm, how the fuck have they been allowed to get away with that. the FA's protection of their national treasure and captain is ridiculous and makes a mockery of any disciplinary actions given to anyone.

was watching lfc.tv and carra was number 3 well above sami, imho carra haven't been better for liverpool 2001 to present than sami has. opinions please.

Dodgy politics and the desire for an even bigger slice of TV money are what stand out. Interesting enough read, but I'd like them to stay in the background from now on (don't think it'll happen though because they seem to enjoy the attention). Anyone reckon Abramovich avoids food and drink in case it's laced with polonium-210? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=476114&in_page_id=1779 Gillett and Hicks buy into Anfield romance The conversation moves from English football to American politics and the reputation Tom Hicks has for putting presidents in the White House. 'I'm working hard for him,' Hicks says of Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York and a Republican candidate who can count the part-owner of Liverpool as a member of his political action committee. 'But I never worked hard for him,' he then says of the current occupant of the Oval Office. 'I just made him rich.' Hicks smiles and the man sitting beside him in a rather more modest office at Anfield lets out a huge guffaw. George W Bush? He owes Hicks big time, George Gillett acknowledges. Bush got rich when Hicks bought the Texas Rangers baseball team from a consortium that, in 1998, was headed by the 43rd President of the United States. Not only that, he provided Bush with major financial support in his climb up the political ladder. The subject is raised only because of the influence they might enjoy now they have seats at club football's top table. Hicks and Gillett, as the American owners of the five-times European champions, have friends in seriously high places, are worth billions, have a vast wealth of experience in owning major sports franchises and also have a background in television and broadcasting. In short, they are the kind of men who might make the game's administrators nervous when it comes to talk of breakaway leagues and independent television deals. TV money, and what they consider a potential area of huge financial growth, is partly what attracted them to Liverpool in the first place. 'When we played the Champions League Final in Athens I think they estimated the global television audience at around 400million,' says Hicks. 'The growth of international television around the sport, particularly around the Premier League and what here in England is the most important league in the world, is exciting. If you are in the business like we have been, you can see that very quickly. The Premier League has the best growth opportunities in global terms in sport.' 'Content is huge,' adds Gillett. 'The delivery system is becoming less important. Now it's content.' But do they pursue those growth opportunities as a collective? Do they see the Premier League clubs continuing to act as one? 'That's an interesting question and one we are sorting out,' says Gillett. 'We are discovering the fan base of Liverpool is much more global than we realised. Probably the second biggest in the world. 'We are not sure if the Premiership plays collectively that well. On the other hand, the four top clubs definitely do. We are trying to sort that out. I don't know that we know the answer yet. But we see China, India, some of the emerging nations that are doing well economically, as amazing opportunities.' Aware that it might all sound too business-like and a little unromantic for the owners of a football club that is so much about romance, Gillett appears keen to present their more sensitive side. The side that wants to stand with the fans on the Kop; that invited supporters' groups to have their say before agreeing on a design for Liverpool's futuristic new stadium. 'I think I speak for Tom as well when I say there are two parts to each of us,' he says. 'The head can tell you the logical parts, but the heart is really why we are here. Because no matter how good the numbers are, this is a long way from home. And if we didn't feel it in the heart we wouldn't be here. The interest in sport has to be in the heart. 'This is a decent business but not a great business. If we simply focused on the business there are other opportunities that we both have that, frankly, would be better. So if it didn't incorporate the heart in our emotion, I don't think we'd do it.' Gillett is charm personified. Friendly, warm, genuine. When he first appeared in the reception area of Anfield's office complex, he apologised for being late and then disappeared down the corridor to 'find Tom'. And when he then returned with Tom, he joined his business partner in jokingly trying to intimidate their interviewer. 'Is this you?' asks Hicks as he turns to the back pages of a copy of the Daily Mail. 'Did you write the headline as well? What does it say here, “Bonehead!”? Fortunately not, even if 'Bonehead' does accompany a report on Manchester United's Cristiano Ronaldo and the red card he received at Portsmouth. A report Hicks tries to read surreptitiously whenever Gillett is in full flow. Hicks says exactly what he thinks in his throaty Texan drawl, as he demonstrates when asked for his opinion on David Beckham's chances of putting 'soccer' on the U.S. map. But Gillett, who at 68 is seven years older than Hicks, is the more garrulous one. The one who likes to mingle. The one who cannot relate to the reclusive nature of the Glazer family at Old Trafford. 'Don't even go there,' he says when I dare to compare them. When Gillett read about a father of four who complained he could not afford to take his family to see Gillett's Montreal Canadiens ice hockey team, he invited them to watch a game in his private box. When he bought the Vail ski resort in Colorado he would greet skiers as they came off the chairlifts. 'I'm not very tall but I'm pretty strong and about 10 years ago I was on the mountain when I saw this great big guy who had simply frozen on the slopes,' says Gillett with a chuckle. 'He was petrified. He just could not get down. So I used my radio to call the rescue guys to see if they could get a snowmobile to get him off the mountain. But they were all busy. So I looked at this guy, he must have weighed 230lb, and I told him to climb on to my back with his skis either side of me and I skied him off the mountain. I took him directly to ski school and bought him a five-day ski school pass and then I walked away. 'What I didn't realise was this guy was the editor of People Magazine and he asked the guys in ski school who had rescued him. Two weeks later and there's a big story about it in the magazine.' 'That's George,' says Hicks, shaking his head. 'He was with me in Dallas not so long ago and I wanted to talk about Liverpool, but he just kept disappearing to talk to fans.' Liverpool's fans have impressed them enormously. 'I got in trouble for saying they were the best in the world,' says Hicks. 'Our baseball fans back home read it and started asking if I thought they were better than them. All I say now is they're very different. Very special.' Gillett said last season's Champions League semi-final against Chelsea was 'like watching a game on steroids', so loud were the supporters. 'I'd never seen anything like it,' he says. 'The noise and the energy. Just amazing.' It was the sound of the Kop that inspired the design for the stunning new stadium that will open in 2010 with a capacity of 61,000. It will then be extended to seat more than 70,000. 'The architects came to the Barcelona match and they got it right away,' says Hicks. 'Because that night the fans were so loud and they knew they had to keep the Kop. They said “we get it”. The Kop is the symphony stage and it needs to play to the rest of the hall.' Gillett adds: 'The stadium was a critical element in our decision to come here. It's a necessity. 'We are in a sport without a salary cap. And if you are going to remain competitive, and Liverpool's fans deserve to have a club that remains competitive, we have to have a larger stadium. We don't have the economics of London so we have to have size.' As both men agree, a new, improved Kop needs something in return. A winning team. 'We want what the fans want,' says Gillett. 'I can't go into any of the three stadiums I own without thinking how much people are paying to be there,' adds Hicks. 'We want to give them value for money. We want to win the Premiership. 'Before we arrived we were a team that could do well in Europe but not in the Premiership. We now have the depth to do that. We have brought in the players Rafa (Benitez) identified.' They might have only been here since March, and they might have appointed Gillett's son Foster to work alongside chief executive Rick Parry in running the club day to day, but they talk with great knowledge. Hicks gets excited about 'Torres and Babel'. Gillett mentions talent in the academy. 'That's the unwritten story,' says Gillett. 'We have a number of brilliant young players who are going to be the future of this club. 'Rafa believes in youth and we share that philosophy. That's why Tom and I are so comfortable with him. He's a very responsible man. He's not a slash and burner. He said we needed four or five new players to be competitive and we went out and got them.' 'A great example of what not to do is the New York Yankees,' adds Hicks. 'A guy (owner George Steinbrenner) tried to win in the short term by spending all this money on ageing stars. And they didn't win. They used to win when they had young, up-and-coming stars. You have to have a balance.' While Hicks says they have no intention of spending as extravagantly as Roman Abramovich, Gillett reveals a close bond with the side they meet at Anfield tomorrow. 'I went to the Community Shield in 2006,' says Gillett. 'But the Liverpool people were so nervous about me being spotted with them, I ended up getting tickets off Peter Kenyon (the Chelsea chief executive) and sitting in the Chelsea end. Foster and I nearly got beaten up when we cheered a Liverpool goal!' So Kenyon knew of their interest in buying Liverpool? 'Oh yeah,' says Gillett. 'We know Peter.' Gillett has only ever met Abramovich once, and notes how he 'never eats or drinks anything' when he visits rival clubs, but he says he found the Russian charming. 'The American invasion of the Premiership is a misnomer,' says Gillett. 'Seven foreign groups have come into the Premiership and only three of them are American, and all three have been involved in sports before. 'It's been presented as some kind of capitalist invasion, but I don't think that is an accurate representation at all. We are different to the Glazers and the Glazers are different to the Lerners, but we love sports.' Most Americans do but will the Americans ever take to soccer? 'It's getting better,' says Hicks. 'But I don't think Beckham will make … he's doing what they hoped he would do. Getting a lot of newspaper attention.' Gillett adds: 'There's a lot of competition already established.' 'And,' says Hicks, 'the new TV contracts will provide a lot of Premier League games in the U.S, across three channels.' Sounds like it would be easier to get Beckham in the White House.

that old chestnut again :lol: my defination of world class is top 4/5 in his position in the world. all right its a shit thread sue me, I'm bored :$

looks absolute quality :inlove: that is all. as you were :party:

(finals are too obvious a choice :P ) so league games or cup games up to the semi-final

to link up with torres?:dunno:

What's your verdict?

but not scoring?

LIVERPOOL RES 2 Wigan Res 0 Report by Pete Schulz at the Racecourse Ground Scorer(s) Besian Idrizaj (2)Half Time – 0 -0 Venue – Racecourse Ground, Wrexham Date - Tue 13 Mar 2007 Star Man – Jack Hobbs Second half substitute Besian Idrizaj grabbed a late brace as Liverpool reserves beat a strong Wigan side 2-0, but it was the performance of Jack Hobbs at centre half which caught the eye at the Racecourse Ground last night. The visitors fielded several first team stars such as Arjen De Zeeuw, Paul Scharner, Andreas Johansson and former Championship Manager legend Julius Aghahowa. The latter two were well dealt with by Hobbs and his central defensive partner Ronald Huth. Liverpool lined up with Italian goalkeeper Daniele Padelli in goal, and the centre backs had Emiliano Insua to their left and Stephen Darby to their right. In central midfield were U18’s heroes Jay Spearing and Ryan Flynn (both playing in different positions for the youth team, however) had Paul Anderson and Nabil El Zhar on either side. Up front, Craig Lindfield was partnered by Dutchman Jordy Brouwer. Liverpool’s first chance fell in the very first minute when Flynn scuffed his shot from the edge of the box and El Zhar’s follow up went wide from close range. Soon afterwards, however, it was Wigan who began to take control of the game. The centre back pairing of Granqvist and De Zeeuw had the beating of Lindfield and especially Brouwer in the air, and David Cotterill gave Insua a hard time at the other end. Around midway through the half, El Zhar began to show why he was given his debut in the first team earlier in the season. First he had a stabbed effort saved by the fingertips of Saunders in the Wigan goal and a little later, his shot on the turn from 25 yards fizzed inches wide of Saunders’ post. The ever industrious Lindfield wanted in on the act but his shot from the same distance following good work by Huth dipped just too late to test Saunders. Further chances fell to Flynn and Spearing but both blasted wide. Gary Ablett made no changes at half time and the opening of the second half was fairly quiet. Wigan had the ball in the net on the hour mark as Johansson beat Padelli in the air, but the linesman had his flag up for offside. Midway through the half, Ablett introduced Idrizaj for the disappointing Brouwer and the change was to prove decisive. Two minutes later, the Austrian opened the scoring with his first touch when Lindfield headed a great Insua freekick back across goal and presented an unmissable chance for the forward. Minutes later, the Austrian picked the ball up on the edge of his own box following a Wigan corner and he carried it the full length of the pitch displaying the power and pace we really have seen far too little of from him during his time here. In the end he cut inside onto his right and smashed a shot against the far post from the edge of the area. Insua’s deadball delieveries were excellent and two minutes later, the ball was snatched away from Craig Lindfield again at the back post. The wait for the clincher wasn’t going to be long as Idrizaj hit his second following another Insua corner. Jack Hobbs got above everyone else to head towards goal and it ended up with Idrizaj who headed it across the line with nine minutes to go. There was to be no more goalmouth action as the reds hung on comfortably against an experienced Wigan side. Paul Jewell must be wondering what it is going to take to beat Liverpool reserves who have now done consecutive doubles over their Wigan counterparts. Defensively, the reds were superb, with new signing Ronald Huth looking more at home at the back. None, however, were in Hobbs’ class. The central defender really looked accomplished and it is obvious that Paco Herrera’s insistence on playing him in midfield last season has really paid off. Hobbs was awesome at the back all night. The reserves’ next game is next Thursday when they take on Blackburn Rovers at the Racecourse Ground. Team: Padelli; Darby, Hobbs, Huth, Insua; Anderson, Spearing (Barnett), Flynn, El Zhar (Burns); Lindfield, Brouwer (Idrizaj):