Jordy Brouwer

Or at least have an even playing field. Like we can all wildly speculate when we don't know our arse from our elbow or non of us can. I kept my mouth shut because I error towards the latter.

I don't know and you don't care. "My tribes hate is fine and my enemies tribes hate is bad". Got it. Oldest con in history.

The whole thing does absolutely reek of Four Lions. That doesn't diminish the seriousness of the event, any more than Four Lions diminished the underlying seriousness of the subject matter.

And casting dislike upon this amorphous and ill-defined label of "anti-vaxers" to the point of automatically suspecting them of terrorism is all fine? No hate there? All good? A righteous form of identity dislike?

Yes that's much better. Anyway I'm done with this point but it amazes me how some kinds of identitarianism are seen as righteous and some not. For me speculating in the early stages that its your bogeymen is the same as the other guy speculating its his bogeymen.

If you scold someone for thinking it might be Muslims you open yourself up to being told "I told you so" if it is Muslims. I bet if it had been "anti-vaxers" there would have been no point scoring. Right?

Can we not re-write history in real time please?

Understandable when he's getting stick for his speculation, no? I don't get why speculating its "anti-vaxers" whatever that means is okay but speculating its Muslims isn't. In my view no speculations in those early pages were covering themselves in glory.

Actually some people were saying it was anti-vaxers as I recall.

This was a lot of pages and drama to wade through just to conclude that nobody knows anything.

Aren't you worried about Covid at the airports? I am.

I quite like Goldbridge to be honest. I find him quite funny.

Its a matter of expectations. If the expectation is a top 4 challenge your post is spot on. If the expectation is a title challenge then no, you can't draw this sort of game let alone lose. Also "first loss of the season" is meaningless as in a title challenge in this league there isn't much difference between a loss or a draw. All your post tells me is one of two things 1) You expect us to be in a top 4 battle this season. If that's your view I have no problem with it. OR 2) You don't understand what the standard is going to be to challenge for the title this season.

Having had time to digest that - it was fucking shit. Bullied out of it by West Ham who had more heart. Klopp HAS to figure out how to deal with sides that play like that. The magic and eternal mystery that is the low block. Either that or we have to hope we do something in Europe because we sure as shit aren't winning the premiership again.

FSG need to show they are still invested in us and get their fucking chequebook out. They owe it to us after the super league shite.

Drop us back 5 yards.

A medal for that man!

People go on about how bad we are defensively but to be fair we are also shit at attacking an organised defence. We just recycle the ball around, lose it and ping - the opposition are away.

He's right we will be.

Its nice when trying to break a block when you've got someone who can do that. A sort of - number 9.

Maybe play Origi more?

Rightly so. Or do you think this has been acceptable?

Being shit at the back might be OK if we had any clue how to attack a low block but we never do.

Its mostly on the keeper. He has played badly enough to be fined at this point.

We're too nice to do tactical fouls. Our loss.