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Think this overlooks how much Klopps tactics did for those players. We didn't sign Sadio Mane as a world class player he became one and a big part of that is Klopp. Similar with Firmino and Salah who's obviously still here. Sadio had already been replaced on the left by Diaz at the age of 31 when we sold him. I agree that the sum of its parts and the players they became may not be replicable, bit then that's the point of a new team. Diaz Gakpo and Nunez all have huge potential for growth and improvement but they're different players. I can't think of a forward roster in the league id swap ours for. And Fabinho again became world class and probably was the best in his position for a while. There's not many of them around so as we've seen this window you'll need some serious cash to replace him. But, that's not to say we even need a like for like replacement, he was never the quickest and relied on positioning and timing, so maybe a doucoure or the like over time might become equally as important but with different attributes

On talksport now a 'football finance expert' saying they're in trouble. Clubs should be pushing for this points deduction.

I think we can safely say after the debacle the hatches will be battoned down now. If we sign someone were not going to hear about it till it's close to done. I'd rather not panic to try and fix the fuck up. If we get a good one which we need, amazing. No point blowing all your money on someone not good enough, that's what united have done for years and look where it gets you long term. We just flushed a load of turds we don't need more in the door

I think the club will probably take the view of are they better than Thiago or Bajcetic, and the answer from this list is probably no. It's an absolute fuck up and is going to cost us in the short term, but it looks like madness and lack of planning on a grand scale to have not proactively bought upgrades on Fabinho in particular, and then let him go without a proactive plan to replace him.

It's a media driven narrative that Trent has completely swallowed. He'd be decent enough as a cm but he was a generational position defining full back, and he's pissing on his own chips by seeming to not want to play the role

I thought Trent's answer was a disgrace. He'd not be disciplined enough to be a pure 6, and he's not good enough to be a pure 10. So I'm not sure what midfield role he wants to play but he needs to get in line behind Klopps tactics. Whether he was off guard as he was with Sturridge or caught by the question but you'd expect your vice captain to straight bat that back

I reckon there'll be a root and branch after this window. FSG have done it to themselves of course by sleeping at the wheel while trying to sell us, but they like being thought of as the smartest guys in the room and won't like looking like this absolute shambles. Wouldn't be surprised if there's conflict behind the scenes either

We should go get him and sangare. We won't, but we should.

I think in a few months that may look like a very good point

There's some characters in here haha. Konate is absolutely brilliant and we likely don't get a point without him today. Not quite sure what more people want in a defender. Vvd was good as well.

Thought Trent was fine defensively today. He wasn't great on the ball, the assist for salahs offside goal apart

You are utterly utterly tedious

I think all things considered a good point. Chelsea are not shit and will be alot stronger in a few weeks time. We've still not finished building the side (which were all aware is a joke) and had a new midfield missing key elements. Parts were good, parts were bad. Salahs second is onside and we batter them I reckon. Should have had a pen

That's absolutely shocking

I don't think this is a shit Chelsea team. They've got class wing backs, expensive defenders, and Jackson and sterling looked good. They've got a 106m midfielder, and they've got more on the way. We know the problems we've got, we look great going forward.

Chelsea getting both Caicedo and Lavia is a car crash for us. How we respond in the market now defines our season

Isn't it more that Chelsea have had terms lined up for a long time with his agents, rather than he just doesn't want to join us. Chelsea can't put together a viable bid. Unless there's a better player on the market (and I can't think of an available one) I like that were not backing away.

Like most of our dealings this summer or lack of it makes no sense. I can only thing that were trying to make it look like we were stalling on Lavia all along when we stop being cheap cunts and pay the figure Southampton are asking for

This transfer window is fucking mental. Jumped the shark completely here. Are we getting one of Caicedo or Lavia or are Chelsea getting both.

Assume it's because high net worth invididuals often have other assets and sources of income etc which they'd be subject to personal assessment and tax on

Agree about szobo playing right, looked like it was the plan to create some width. Maybe it will, who knows.

This can't be enjoyable for you surely. I'd be looking at taking up gardening

Think it's been mentioned but in addition to the minimum of 1 midfielder we will definitely get, a centre back would also be very helpful. But, if as is likely with us we don't get one, not having cl should be huge and we shouldnt be playing virg or Konate until the late stages of Europa, cotton wool treatment for them both

Looking forward to seeing Szoboszlai and Mac Allister on the pitch at the same time

Sounds fucking shit to me