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Seeing that there was a bomb planted at a sporting event a week ago where dozens of people lost limbs, that is in poor taste to say the least. Wonder if the press will say anything ?

How is Leightom Baines not on that shortlist? You could also argue Fellani or Michu have had far better seasons than Carrick and Hazard.

I listen to Talksport 'cos reception for 5 live is shite , but it's easy to see why people hate it. Most of their presenters are wankers, Darren Gough is the stupidist most ill-informed presenter on air, fuck knows how he's kept that job same goes for Ronnie whatisname in the morning. Agree that Durham is there to wind up people to get them ringing in, but he does talk sense on most of the big issues - I just wish he had the balls to go after Ferguson sometimes. Also , much as I try not to , I actually like Stanley Collymore on there.

Haven't read all this thread so apologies if already mentioned, but I did a tour of the original Liverpool dock that's preserved under LiverpoolOne the other week and it is really interesting. You contact the Maritime musuem for them. Anyway whilst there they have load of old photo's of buildings from Liverpool's past and one that stands out is the Custom House. It used to be where LiverpoolOne stands now, and although damaged during the war Liverpool planners decided to knock it all down and build Steer's House(remember how shite that building was) in it's place. If Custom House had survived it would rival St Georges Hall, as it looked majestic. Loads of photos of it on Google, just can't believe it was demolished for a 60's eyesore.

To this day I don't know how she managed to be re-elected twice, especially in 1983 when the country was in such a massive mess. It just proves how powerful the right-wing Press was, how gullable the British population was and how poor the Labour Party was at the time. Sad thing is history is repeating itself now. Cameron and his cronies are setting about destroying everything that took 15 years to re-build after Thathchers policies, and we have Ed Milliband as head of Labour and a press that gives them carte-blanche to do it 'cos 'we are all in it toghether'.

The bastard knew this was coming, and that's why he resigned. Protects his pension and Knighthood and authorities won't be able to touch him now that he's no longer employed by the police. Grade 'A' twat and liar - to think somebody on Merseyside made him our Chief Constable.:telloff:

you've got to give him another season at least. Interesting stat I saw the other day is that LFC have picked up the 3rd highest points total since the beginning of November - only Spurs and Mancs have taken more. Factor in that we had a new manager new system and tactics with a hard start to the season and there is grounds for optimism if we can start off well next season. That said he is making mistakes - but don't they all - that are costing us games, just hopes he learns from them. Also some of his buys are questionable and none of them have really made an impact yet. Sturridge started well but has been shite the last 2 games and jury still out on Coutinho, other than that Borini,Allen and whoever else have been shocking and contributed zilch all season and have been total waste of what little money we've got. Sort of countered my opening argument there but fuck it's Monday.

That Henry Winter article is the worst bum licking, squirming, vomit inducing piece of journalism I've ever read. No wonder Ferguson gets away with what he does, when that's how the country's 'top' journalists report on one of their games.

Been on the BBC and Sky message boards this morning and it's painfully funny reading all the Mancs scewed version of events. It seems no-one else has any sympathy at all for them, so it's not just us who loathes them. Point is though the British press would roast any other club for doing that at the end, and imagine if Rafa or Wenger refused to do a post match interview, the hacks would slaughter them as 'Johnny Foreigner not understanding British Sportsmanship'. He just showed what a spoilt bastard he is and I hope someone picks up on it - EUFA hopefully. Also it's got to be said Mourinho played a blinder after Nanny went off, by making the subs, but the old Scot Scroat was too busy rushing up and down stairs, waving his arms and giving shit to anyone who'd listen to try and make a difference on the pitch. They were still in front at the time and maybe if he had reacted differently and brought on an extra defender( as Real were obviously going to see more of the ball) they might have held on.

Reports again this morning that Luis agent is engineering a move to Bayern Munich in the summer. Personally I'm not sure any team will or can buy him that soon. We would want at least 40million for him, and only PSG, City or Chelski can realistically afford that, and I'm pretty sure City or the Chavs wouldn't touch him due to his bad publicity and negative image in the British media( because they both have such positive images now don't they). Also Barcelona never pay that much for a player, Bayern certainly don't and I don't think they really need him as they are flying with the players they've got, Real Madrid might be tempted but only if they offload Ronaldo, so I think he's here at least until his contract is running out and his price will be much lower.

Did anyone see Baines on Football Focus on Saturday. He tried to completely re-write his previous history. Before he joined them he told everyone how he was a Liverpool fan growing up and that he used to go to Anfield. A couple of seasons with them and their North Korean brainwashers and now he apparently only followed Liverpool 'cos his Dad wanted him to, but he always used to sneak off to watch his beloved Everton anyway. Absolutely pathetic

We'll probably have to but 2 Centre Halfs this summer of good quality.

We all knew this day was coming but it's still sad . Not the most gifted of footballers skill wise but more than made up with that with desire,passion and positioning, not to mention the way he always stuck up for the club in interviews and didn't try bullshitting anyone.ie he was honest. He is a legend - and that is maybe why he is leaving the club. If things start to go a bit wrong under Rodgers the clamour to give him the managers post would be long and loud,and I think Carra probably knows this too.

" I sit on a team with 4 really bad bitters but I have hours of fun winding them up. One guy gets so irate about anything Liverpool do." In work always the Bitters are known as 'The Steven Gerrard Fan Club' as they seem to know every last detail of his personal and football life - even down to who his missus is shagging this week. They don't like being called that!!

Just been sent this - I think it's the Oirish Independent, and it just shows how much shite is being written about him at the moment. The journo must have had his ManU top on with Ferguson dictating to him when he penned this. Independent By Dion Fanning: Sunday February 03 2013 Brendan Rodgers had been talking beautifully about the progress he is overseeing at Liverpool. He marvelled at the brilliance of Luis Suarez – the term 'false winger' was used impressively. He spoke at length about the tactical advances of Jordan Henderson. He let it be known that he had been watching the new signing Philippe Coutinho since he was 15 – "another great product to come into the league" – and had talked to his friend Jose Mourinho about him. He was happy here at the Emirates, talking away, bursting with "real pride" after Liverpool had thrown away a two-goal lead against an Arsenal side that has fragility in its DNA, in front of a crowd that was ready to revolt and a team that knew it. Rodgers kept talking and we slid down in our chairs as relaxed as if we were in an all-night lock-in, with the sweet soothing sound of bullshit allowing us to believe we were experiencing what David Bowie liked to call the "eternal now". When the question came it was as if somebody had switched on harsh spotlights and yanked open the blinds to reveal unforgiving sunlight and a brutal dawn. Rodgers was asked if he was concerned that his team had yet to beat a side in the top six (they have yet to beat a side in the top half.) This was reality intruding and it felt bad. He said he wasn't "overly" worried, even if "you guys keep going on about it". He made this failure sound as if it was just a secondary piece of tittle-tattle, a contract extension or a poor disciplinary record, that the press wouldn't let go. Anyway, Liverpool should have beaten Manchester City, he said, and if they win at the Etihad today they would have four points from two tough road trips. He is right but he was dealing in abstractions. The elephant in the boot-room is that reality will always break through in football. Liverpool had a couple of brutal intrusions from reality last week. They lost at Oldham, looking "soft" as Rodgers said. On Wednesday night, Liverpool played brilliantly at times but reality also revealed that there is no killer instinct in the side being created by Rodgers. At Arsenal, they took part in a thrilling game against another side which has lost sight of the ultimate point of football: winning. Last week, Brendan Rodgers finally took a stand but he took it against the weakest at the club: the young players, with Martin Skrtel thrown in. Everything Rodgers does suggests that he is not just postponing the moment when he will be judged but, beneath the self-confidence and the projection of authority, that he is worried what that judgement will reveal. His friend Jose Mourinho also projected this authority before he had the CV to match it. When the results and victories came they seemed like the inevitable consequence of all he had been telling the world about himself. Rodgers has mastered the looking confident bit but it remains to be seen if he can produce a successful side. He has tried to make it seem an irrelevance. When Swansea played in Sunderland last year, Rodgers talked about the game in language that is now familiar. "It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us," he said after the game. "They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful. Our intention is always to pass teams to a standstill, but give credit to Sunderland, they defended ever so well when other teams might have wilted." Sunderland had just beaten Swansea 2-0. His words would be irrelevant if Liverpool didn't play as if they have absorbed his central message. At Boundary Park, at the Emirates and at Old Trafford, Liverpool have performed as if glimpses of spirit and some thrilling football is enough. Even Rodgers seemed to think the Oldham performance had been transformed at a certain point, remarking that Steven Gerrard played as if he had been "dropped in from heaven" when he came on. Liverpool scored in that time and Gerrard hit the bar but Liverpool were playing a League One side which had won one of its previous nine games. Some doubt was inevitable and to see a transformation in turning a 1-3 scoreline into a 2-3 scoreline makes Pangloss seem like Beckett. Rodgers then went to the other extreme in criticising the young players, but if a manager must sometimes look ridiculous to protect his players, it is not a good idea for a manager to make his players look ridiculous to protect himself. By Wednesday night, he was saying "Sunday was more my fault than theirs". By then Liverpool had their pride and he was finding leadership in reliable places, certainly more reliable places than a Brendan Rodgers press conference. Jamie Carragher will probably start at the Etihad today. At the Emirates, he brought authority to the side. At one point in the first half, Glen Johnson took a knock on the head. Carragher went around the Liverpool players, reminding them of their responsibilities. He then had a quick word with the referee. The referee restarted the game with a drop ball and Arsenal knocked it back to Pepe Reina. The Arsenal fans howled. They believed the ball should have been given back to them. Carragher is a player who has always been looking for an edge. He seemed less inclined to be consoled by the performance or talk of his pride in drawing against a team that is sixth in the table. Carragher has competed for titles and won the European Cup. In those years, he was at the heart of everything Liverpool achieved. "A manager going into a club would want those guys right behind you," Rodgers said afterwards and he is right. Rodgers will also point to progress. Liverpool collapsed against Arsenal in August so he saw Wednesday night as a benchmark of how far they have come (Arsenal have nosedived since then). There may have been signs of progress this season but Luis Suarez has delivered most of them. Suarez plays as if to win is the only thing and he plays with a ruthlessness that is out of step with Rodgers' better-luck-next-time philosophy. Suarez is making encouraging noises about staying at Liverpool but he is also talking about making a decision in the summer. He is 26, he has scored 17 league goals already this season and he will be wanted by all the top European clubs. If Suarez leaves then Liverpool's greatest test will be how they replace him. Rodgers has been average in the transfer market. If Joe Allen has faded (perhaps because he is too closely identified with the manager, Rodgers exempted him from blame for the Oldham defeat), Henderson has grown and Rodgers can take some credit for that. Yet Liverpool, and presumably Rodgers, were prepared to let Henderson leave the club in August as they tried to find a way of getting Clint Dempsey to Anfield. Henderson refused and Liverpool refused to pay the money for Dempsey. Whoever made that decision, and it wasn't Rodgers, was right. In the aftermath, John Henry, who has yet to visit Anfield this season, issued a statement declaring FSG's ambitions for the club. Like many things FSG say, their words had an appeal but the reality is different. Rodgers can talk about the project and the group and the product but Liverpool's future depends less on him than it does on Luis Suarez. Every year spent away from the Champions League is another year when it becomes harder to attract the players necessary to return to the Champions League. Rodgers must deal with that and he has managed, in the main, to remove himself from criticism. There is a feeling that Rodgers is just a proxy, that those who criticise him only use him to further another agenda. This view allows Rodgers off the hook. His mistakes are obvious and need no agenda to be pointed out. Liverpool has been dominated by feuds in recent years and in the summer FSG decided to go with their instincts. It was a courageous and sensible decision. They wanted to move on from the past and they wanted to create a club where the manager was one of many voices and couldn't cause too much havoc. Rodgers probably hasn't done much harm at Liverpool. FSG wanted a middle manager to lower the wage bill and the age of the squad without causing too much fuss as they sought to cut costs. They didn't want a manager like Benitez who would always demand more and who would prevent them breaking free of the past. It was an understandable point of view, but there were coaches who could have been pursued, men like Frank de Boer, who would have taken Liverpool forward with more intent than Rodgers. In blaming the weakest and most marginal at the club last week, Rodgers gave little indication that he is a manager capable of doing more than middle management, despite all his empty rhetoric. If bullshit is designed to conceal the truth, a point arrives when bullshit reveals it. The truth about Rodgers is that when he talked of the young players after the Oldham game, he was revealing something of himself. When he said they were soft and needed to understand the demands of playing for Liverpool, he was getting closer to the truth. Everything he said about those players could as easily be said of him. Brendan Rodgers promotes football without a reckoning. In football, there is always a reckoning.

All the Bitters in work have swallowed that 'got to be carful' how we spend the money bollocks as well, and how unlucky they were not to get Negrado as well and how much they've come on now that they can attract players of that calibre!! I had to point out that : 1)they didn't actually buy him 2)why, if they had 12 million lying around, they waited until the last day of the transfer window before making a move to sign him(especially since he was playing last night) 3)Surely he would've been a better buy than that unkown Dutch Fella anyway 4)If the Dutch fella had a knee injury that was serious enough to cast a doubt about his future ability to play the game why the hell would you buy him anyway- never mind all this structured payment bollocks 5)Doesn't this happen every transfer window? 6)Can't they see that Big Gay Bill is just bullshitting them to make it look like he's serious about being able to buy good players when really he had neither the funds nor clout to pull it off. Becuase they are actually doing OK now, they are totally hoodwinked and believe all the Everton propoganda. Living in CucooLand the lot of them.

Agree with your last para there Johnny. I think they are quite ambitious and actually honest people and I think if they realise that they cant make LFC challenge for titles then they will probably sell up, hopefully to someone who can.

I think FSG are still holding out the hope that FFP will come in and work as it is meant to. If it does then LFC will be in a very healthy position as City, Chavs etc will no longer be able to splash the cash like they are doing. We will still be behind ManUre and Arsenal(if they ever get rid of Wegner), but in alot better position to challenge. I think they are pinning all their hopes and dreams on this, that is why we are buying young players, with potential, now in the belief that they will blossom into good 1st team players and we will only need to buy quality players to strenghten in the future, once FFP comes in. This will either prove brilliant foresight or hugely dissapointing, depending on FFP. Personally I don't think EUFA have the balls to impose FFP as it stands so I'm prepared for huge dissapointment. This is just my personal opinion and might a load of shite, but I think no matter what FSG do there will always be a sizeable percentage of fans who will slate them, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. One thing is for sure tho', our finances were in a fucking mess when they took over and they had to try and do something to sort them out, which I think they have.

I've seen Jelavic a couple of times trying to park his Porche in the car park opposite our work, and he makes an absolute pigs ear of it. Then he's completely bamboozled by the pay machine instructions so he just walks off. So on that score alone No No and No

There is not one sensible answer on there ,from any bitter, all full of bile. There are some pathetic posts on here but generally you find some honest posts in between. Is that where they go to top up their bitterness, like us plugging in our mobiles.

I've been saying for a couple of seasons now that Man U squad is shite with mainly decent players and a few very good ones, but they always seem to be challenging. Ask a fan of any other team in the top 6 or 7 (apart from Arsenal obviously) who would they swap from their 1st 11 for one of Man Us and there won't be many. Even in ours who can you say is better in their team than ours - a matter of opinion but,again there's not many. Thing is they must be doing something right to always be up there it's not just dodgy refeering decisions. Personally I think it's a combination of the way they play and too many teams being shit scared of them and are beaten before the kick off. A case in point was when we played them last week, we stood off them and showed too much respect for an hour and then when we went after them they looked very poor and we were left thinking if only we'd gone for them from the off. They do play fast attacking football and try and get the ball into there oppenents penalty area asap hence they score bags full of goals - they always have a couple of very good centre forwards as well who can score goals.

Can't say that I'm really bothered or surprised that they sing those songs - doesn't mean I like it but I don't ever let it bother me, same goes for most of the lads I know. Maybe it's a generation thing - those of a certain age who remember what the 80's were like, don't seem to get as upset as younger fans. The point here is though, that Utd fans - and hence the club - are getting away with being utter twats again, and being let off lightly by the good old impartial British press. If LFC fans sang anything half as bad as them it would be back page news, but not a peep is heard about them. Apparantely you can't sing about being a Jew but you can mock people who died tragically!! It would be great if at Anfield next season everyone turns their back and keeps quiet the 1st time they start it up, then it would be impossible for the TV and Press to ignore whats going on.

Don't you just feel really really sorry for G&H as time goes on. They deserve their day(s) in court. Sadly it looks like they've both fallen on hard times if they can't stump up the dough, so we might never see it.(6)(6)

Love the fact Benitez got his lawyers to threaten to sue him if he carried on his whinging - horrible little bastard. Didn't he also not long after this, praise Mick McCarthy when he put out a virtual Wolves reserve side against the Forces of Evil at Old Trafford. No doubt trying to get into Ginsoak shitty arses' good books. Two faced Wanker.

Can't understand why they don't(or haven't) spent big money when there are a few multi billionaires on the board. Can understand trying to stick with FFP rules now but they have seriously underspent in the last 5 seasons and is the reason both Mancs and Chelsit are way ahead of them