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This performance is good - has to make them one of favourites (my personal ones anyway) - but I do worry about when they meet a compact, organized team that is dangerous on the counter like the Germans

...and another 3...

...no..it has gone into a loop of a further 3 adverts...

Ive just followed that links and am currently watching the 4th of 7 adverts before (I think) it goes to live feed...:wallbutt:

I no longer have ITV listed on my Zatoo channels, anyone else the same? ITV stream not working again - their internet services reflect the channel really

Breathe.....

Has anyone worked out how to watch it on the ITV website - when I try I get all these boxes with statistics and text update, but no live feed - got the same yesterday. Am I just thick or is ITV just doing its usual shitness

They try to devalue this performance by saying - "well it is against an old Australian team after all, and they are down to 10 men" but they wont admit that England would still be huffing and puffing in this one and no doubt nursing a 1-0 lead.....absolute different class of football..

Germany are the United of international football - play strong, simple, effective football and do well when you hope they wont (or expect them to be weaker this time around). England are Liverpool - bereft of ideas, not playing simple, passing football or retaining the ball.

and great World Cup theme tunes - love the Argentina 78 one, brings back memories [YOUTUBE]WsTAt28GkV0[/YOUTUBE]

Anyone just see Rooney try to tee Heskey up? Put it on a plate and Heskey "controlled it" to the defender. That he plays international football is a joke..and he missed a fairly clear header earlier.

Well if that aint the nightmare scenario - Torres goes, we keep Benitez

I ordered the Argentina one from here: Fitbakits - bit more than Bornprosper, but the price you see is what you pay including delivery. Received within 2 weeks, good quality and all badges/details present.

Spot on including the Istanbul bit - certainly the living off it in terms of good will from supporters. An average of 17.5 points behind the champions over six seasons and the fact he is/we are ridiculed by the rest of the league's supporters should more than eliminate a fortuitous win in a tournament 5 years ago.

No, but when it is on the BBC site and he has been playing the "they dont want to see me but I really do" card over the weekend, it does..

See my politics thread...he is playing us all...

and need - in his own words - at least 4 or 5 players to compete (but at least the books balance, hey)..

Spot on that - remember myself the howls of derision across this forum following insipid home peformances with Hull and Fulham for example, or last minute victories despite useless displays. The ones with a short memory are those that call that season a good one.

Very few apologies for the new thread, because apart from the poor purchases made and negative tactics, this is for me the reason most dont want Benitez here any more (and one of the reasons we have so much discussion on the forum: Rafael Benítez's long goodbye leaves Liverpool in danger of big sleep | Paul Hayward | Football | The Guardian Rafael Benítez's long goodbye leaves Liverpool in danger of the big sleepAfter six years of politics at Anfield, Rafael Benítez could be heading for the exit door with the club in turmoil Rafael Benítez has invested so much energy in politics since he arrived at Anfield six years ago that he must be caught between accepting the Juventus job and making a late run in Thursday's general election. He can manage the news and public opinion in the red half of Merseyside but he cannot manipulate the results that point to a farewell. The longest goodbye in Liverpool's normally straightforward managerial history has featured feuds with warring owners, a campaign to seize total control of first‑team affairs, a staff clear-out at an academy that was under-achieving partly because Benítez offered so few chances to its recruits, and numerous flirtations with other big European clubs, which the manager has used, sometimes not unreasonably, to consolidate his power in the face of two American speculators who seek a huge profit on their borrowed buck. No wonder, then, that exhaustion pervades Anfield, where the club's spirit has traditionally been trained on the 11 men sporting the Liver bird. Kenny Dalglish's stress-induced departure was traumatic, and the Graeme Souness three-year reign induced tremors, but there has not been instability on this scale since before Bill Shankly's time. In that context, many Liverpool fans who might have felt a reflexive loyalty to Benítez for the miracle of Istanbul, where the club won their fifth European Cup five years ago, now consider the Spanish martinet's personal future less important than the restoration of order before Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City consign the boys in red forever to the comparative oblivion of the Europa League, or worse. Regression is a hard fact on the road to Hull for Sunday's final Premier League game. There is no longer any need for Liverpudlians to flail at one another on phone-ins over the team's deterioration and who deserves the blame. To slide from losing two Premier League matches in 2008-09 to 11 a year later provides incontrovertible proof of an unravelling. Equally Liverpool will be absent from the Champions League for the first time since 2002-03 and there are no funds to burn in the fight to peg back Spurs and City, never mind rejoin the old conflict with Chelsea, Arsenal and Manchester United. For a growing swathe of Kopites there is no need to cast Benítez's probable leave‑taking as a tragedy. As Everton make relentless progress across Stanley Park and Fernando Torres doubtless questions his willingness to dirty his knees in the Europa League again there is an unmistakable sense that the end of a cycle has been reached. In spin city, as red Liverpool has become, the blame game has obscured the reality that Anfield's fortunes began to slip when the club was sold to speculators who regarded a great social institution as a leveraged "investment" opportunity in an expanding market. In that setting, Benítez beat his chest and demanded carte blanche in the dressing room, as any right-thinking Liverpool manager would. Can anyone picture Shankly deferring to Tom Hicks and George Gillett? But Benítez's efforts to barricade his office have also caused damage. As Rick Parry, the previous chief executive, was driven out of town, Benítez negotiated a long contract that locked both sides into a failing marriage and has turned his departure into a game of attack-and‑retreat over the issue of compensation. Thus the British Airways head honcho, Martin Broughton, who was drafted in to sell a club that were already for sale, has his second big volcano problem in a month. True to form, even the goodbyes are politicised. "Someone said we needed four of five players. I would more or less agree with that," Benítez said after the Europa League semi-final defeat to Atlético Madrid, neglecting to mention that the Liverpool first- and reserve-team squads teem with men many fans have barely heard of, never mind seen play. Finding a buyer willing to hand Hicks and Gillett the golden egg they believe they are nesting on is Liverpool's most daunting challenge. Until that day the Chelsea‑supporting Broughton will need all his persuasive powers to sell Benítez's old job to an A-list coach, whose first task will be to purge the squad of bored backwoodsmen and then restore the output of an academy that stopped producing stars after Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Michael Owen and Robbie Fowler. Benítez would face the same conundrum of having to rectify his own mistakes with a meagre budget while estate agents show potential buyers round and five clubs ahead of him in the table (perhaps not Aston Villa) continue to invest and progress. A lone wolf who has cold-shouldered a succession of expensive acquisitions, from Robbie Keane to Peter Crouch to Xabi Alonso and Ryan Babel, Benítez has radiated a determination to advance on his own terms and not allow the reputation he established at Valencia to go up in English smoke. Installing Spanish expertise at the academy and acquiring Jonjo Shelvey from Charlton and Raheem Sterling from Queens Park Rangers spoke of a desire to tough it out and still be there when new owners ride in. But since Benítez asserted his dominion with his new contract the season has turned to dust and the supporters have been gripped by the fear that this is not a dip but a plunge. A new manager could only play the long game: hope Torres and Gerrard can be persuaded to stay, and gamble that under new owners Anfield will leave the politics where they belong.

I would point out that it is wrong/silly in your opinion, almighty uber-fan that you are and all that, hey la?

No, I meant this "imagined" rule that we can't openly say we want the manager gone, however that is expressed

The last 15 minutes looking for a goal was also not your renowned "Liverpool Way" - so if he (Benitez) chucks it out of the window, why shouldnt we when we refer to him and his style of play..

Respect for the Marillion tag, whoever it was...