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Shit from Trent.

Why the fuck stop?

Width. Trent wider and either Tsimikas or Diaz on the left

Could do with Diaz to give us a bit of width with no left footed left back, it'll come though. Our midfield is fantastic

The Darwin Nunez show

Can you stop copying and pasting this meaningless statement that you probably don't understand. It's tedious. It's irrelevant to innocent people being killed/oppressed/abused

You're misunderstanding that this is about religion, and you're imagining this population which is 'intent on wiping out the jews'. The majority of the Palestinians want basic human rights, not the destruction of all Jewish people

This is a powerful point. I saw an Egyptian comedian on piers Morgan make exactly this and it's true. The west (us and UK mainly) has had absolute damage done to it's claim to any moral authority by Israel In 3 weeks that will take years to recover from, if at all. Surely they can't just witness the destruction of all the Palestinians. Based on the fact there is half a trillion of oil on Gaza and area c of the west bank which just so happens to be the part they want the most, my guess is that the 2 state solution they offer would be one that absolutely pillages the Palestinians economically to other people's evil benefit, but gives them the semblance of a state. And that's the best case scenario. It's sickening

Ok but what if the majority of Welsh people weren't, less than 0.02 percent of them were, and they happened to be the ones who harboured those views and had the guns (let's not get into why they haboured those views to cloud the argument) And over half the 2.2 million innocent welsh were children. We would go and wipe them out? What does that make us?

There was an excellent but very long article from the New Yorker that someone posted on here which explained the very complicated Israeli politics which has driven this. Netanyahu is right wing and has been driving the 2 state solution into the ground for nearly 2 decades. But he's now in a coalition government with even harder right wing nutjobs, primarily Ben gvir who have pretty much openly called for the annihilation of all the Arabs. Theyve slightly watered down their message by changing the word 'arab' to 'terrorist' which makes it more palatable. In the months running up to the very politically convenient Hamas attack, Israel was absolutely tearing apart with mass demonstrations on the streets because the government want to reform their supreme court to basically take away this oversight so they can do what the hell they want. The supreme court was the checks and balance that stopped the right wing just running away with things and kept the left and centres more reasonable agendas on the table. It also crucially protected the Palestinian citizens who actually live in Israel and make up 20 percent of the population. Among the things that are now happening are laws which would basically allow anyone to kill a 'terrorist' aka an Arab, or anyone who remotely dissents from the government's point of view legally. They're also looking at implementing laws which would essentially make it impossible for Arabs to be in politics. It's apartheid in Israel and the west bank for Palestinians, and it's imprisonment and now genocide for the Gazans. One of the many sick things about this is that while the actions of Israel and it's Zionist lobby looks, and acts alot like nazi fascist policy, they have the nerve to describe people who are pro Palestine as anti semites and Nazis. It's propoganda on another scale. It's a total myth that Israel is some reasonable democracy, it's clearly a military state. Most of the government are ex idf, pro settlers, anti 2 state and pro Arab annihilation/ expulsion. I think it's unprecedented post world war 2 that we as the west have supported something that so closely resembles Nazism, and to be honest it's so polarising that I would find it hard after this to be in the same room as someone who is 'pro-israel' or pro m Zionism because of the evil of what it represents and the ideology they're supporting. And for the record, while I think it was clearly never right that Palestine was effectively taken from a land where people lived and given to Israel, it's obviously not viable at this stage to ever give it/take it back. There are second and third generation people living there and you couldn't just expel them. The way forward should be/have been the 2 state solution which Israel would never allow, or make it a single secular state (which would also never happen). So given israels policy of just containing the Palestinians has failed, unless the west steps in and forced Israel to the table to negotiate a 2 state solution, then we are witnessing Israel being allowed to pursue a genocide.

The government is a right wing coalition of ex idf militant nutjobs so I'd be fucking surprised if anything comes better after him in terms of wanting a 2 state solution instead of the annihilation of the Palestinians

It was a policy of 'containment' - keep the west bank and gaza strip separated, say you won't deal with Hamas so imprison the Gazans, and because the west bank has the plo who aren't violent and want a 2 state solution, militarily occupy the west bank, and build settlements on it which further erode the agreed borders of the 2 state solution. Now it hasn't worked because, shock fucking horror you can't just lock millions of people in a cage forever, the policy seems to be well let's just kill all of them and completely flatten Gaza to the ground. The correct option all along should have been the 2 state solution

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035 https://www.wionews.com/world/explained-how-netanyahu-helped-grow-hamas-which-became-the-frankensteins-monster-for-him-651336 This one is an Israeli newspaper https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-10-20/ty-article-opinion/.premium/a-brief-history-of-the-netanyahu-hamas-alliance/0000018b-47d9-d242-abef-57ff1be90000 And so is this one https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ There are lots of other sources and direct quotes from him but you know how to Google. It sounds like a conspiracy theory because it's so fucking mental. But nope, completely true

Already stole that years ago

It's factually proven

https://unctad.org/news/unrealized-potential-palestinian-oil-and-gas-reserves I wasn't aware of this before. Area c of the west bank and gaza are sitting on 500 b of untapped oil.

The thing is, I went to the London one 2 weeks ago, and I was taken aback with how peaceful it was. I've never seen so many people either. I spoke to police and they were basically just bystanding as they didnt need to do anything. And then the next day I saw the news and I saw ministers commenting on antisemitism, intimidation, and all manner of negative connotations attached to the march and the people who attended. Was like seeing a polar representation of the reality.

Thank you for sharing. To the original point, Arabs are against normalisation with Israel while they continue to oppress the stateless Palestinian people. I skim read but I didn't see anything about Arabs wanting to kill all the Israeli Jews, and I don't think that's the case. From the same article: "Nonetheless, most Arabs, according to polling conducted over two decades by the Arab Barometer, would be willing to have diplomatic relations with Israel — but only after the establishment of a Palestinian state alongside Israel. “They’re not against coexisting with a Jewish-majority Israeli state, which is what exists now, but they will not do that until the Palestinians get their rights,” Rami Khouri, a Palestinian-Jordanian journalist and a policy fellow at the American University of Beirut, told me."

Please provide a link to the article

Ok so, Hamas have been called cunts on here multiple times. We can all take it as read that they are cunts. Hamas make up around 0.02 of the population of Gaza. I don't think it needs to be questioned that killing innocent people is wrong, the actions of Hamas regardless of the history and the reasons they exist (a. The 75 years of oppression of the Palestinians( (b.supported by Israel into existence to separate the Palestinians politically so that Israel could say they don't have anyone on the other side of the table to negotiate with) were wrong, and taking hostages is wrong. We don't need to say it on here, because the media narrative overwhelmingly is staggeringly biased towards Israel and the pro-zionist agenda. Like staggeringly so to the extent it makes me personally want to scream. And that's why the internet, including forums like this are an absolute bastion to talk about what's really going on here. And what's going on is a genocide of the Palestinian people. Innocent women and children literally blown to bits. So I'm sorry but where is the need to condemn Hamas and call them cunts for the millionth time in that. There is absolutely no justification for what Israel are doing. And this isn't something that's just been happening since October 7th, this has been happening for 75 years. What is happening now though is more blatant and more violent and more in plain sight of a world that is standing by to allow that to happen. That is the reason Israel are rightly being so strongly criticised on here. I haven't considered the religious background of anyone posting in here in the content they post, and not sure why it's relevant to what is a political situation. Again, quite frankly the actions of Israel right now are demonic, they are evil. I don't think people need to demonise them. It speaks for itself. But that is not the narrative you will see when you step away from the internet and into any mainstream media. It isn't balanced. It talks of a war rather than a genocide. Im not sure why the Saudi/Yemen situation is directly relevant to Palestine/Israel but I will say that I would expect anyone to also be against the killing of innocent people anywhere. I'm also not sure why anyone should be expected to condemn the actions of a nation, it would be like continually asking you, or me, whether we condemn the killing of a million innocent people in Iraq over non existent wmds.. Of course we do, but why even ask it. This isn't directly addressed to you by the way, it's a continual narrative/theme of western attitudes towards conversations on this subject. I haven't seen one person ask an Israeli spokesperson to condemn israels actions, not one. But I have seen multiple senior Israeli political figures, senior people in government, not fringe figures, say things like "these are human animals" and those comments go uncontested! However when a Palestinians/Arab representative is interviewed they are continually asked to condemn? How is that right. Theres no equivalence there.

Based on the same logic why do you care that much? Let people post what they like (within reason) and contribute with your views rather than calling out individuals). I appreciate I'm doing the same here but purely because I actually appreciate this thread as a place to share knowledge and viewpoints rather than petty squabbles with individuals. That's all I'll say on the matter

I know Trent's seasons been a bit stop start so far but at the moment it looks like we get most of the creativity down the right from Salah and Dom, and actually the benefit of having Trent in the middle is to make us more solid defensively as he's not been making as many assists/final 3rd passes. As I say though small sample size at the moment and maybe that will change

Get the point but isn't it more illuminating that the Russian rep CAN legitimately make that point and it's a reasonable one? How can the US and its allies be any kind of respected moral authority on absolutely anything ever again? The geopolitical fallout of the absolutely disgusting rhetoric and position of the US and the UK will be huge. And this in an era where China are very colonially active and have eyes on Taiwan

I think Messi won it mainly because of the world cup. Which is fair enough in my view. Cannavaro won it in 2006 on that basis

I'd probably have shaw as sub left back, and that's literally it.