Yozzer

Not sure if that fella crying in the members area was for Middlesex winning or him finding out he'd been given a Tory peerage.

Geoffrey Boycott probably had an aneurysm watching that.

Lancashire safe. Feel off a cliff once Wagner left. Would probably be useful if we could bring in some people who can bat, a problem that has been going on for the last decade at least.

I've DM'd him on Twitter for you.

I agree with your assessment of Labour's behaviour after the referendum, it was an absolute shit show. Just feels we're on a long, drawn out path to annihilation in 2020 no matter who the leader.

I think the bigger problem was that he didn't really understand how Article 50 worked.

I'd say it'd be a monumental miscalculation on Labour's behalf if they don't bother to gain any Tory voters back, they need them to take constituencies that they've lost to the Tories. The swing seats will not be won by ignoring the people who voted Tory and solely focusing on non voters, in fact that would be electoral suicide. Winning non voters is definitely something to target, but I imagine the bulk of people who don't vote already live in cities or towns which Labour already own the majority of. With the incoming boundary changes, this is just going to get worse. Re-energising the Labour voters in say Liverpool is sound, but it essence in wins us fuck all. Scotland is lost now. YouGov has Corbyn polling at -42% satisfaction rating in Scotland, the worst of all the leaders including May. -22% with Labour voters, -27% with SNP voters. It's fucking appalling. UKIP is one that I'm more hopeful on but his attitude to immigration and Europe will have to be handled far more tactfully than he has previously tried.

Christ. I reckon he had a tough paper round, looked around 40 and still insisted on heading away bouncers at that age.

They'd choose neither, and that's the problem Labour faces in trying win over people from the Tories or Lib Dems. Owen Smith or Corbyn, at this current time, are not going to win a general election as neither of them are going to convince Tories, traditional Labour Northern heartlands or disillusioned Lib Dems to join the Labour movement. I'd love nothing more than for Corbyn to become a viable leader for Labour, but his incompetence and naivety is infuriating. Smith is no better. So it's like we're stuck in purgatory at the moment.

Seems pretty certain that Hameed will be going on the winter tours to Bangladesh and India. Not sure we should be throwing a 19 year old in to open the batting overseas, could see his confidence ruined. Good luck to the lad, he's going to need it. I can't think of a younger debutant for England, anyone think of the last teenager we called up?

I was last in the draft, like last year. It sure would be a shame if everyone else forgot their draft position so we had a new order.

Tuesday is good for me as well.

I noted down who I picked so if we got with that option I'll be okay.

When are we restarting the dynasty one for?

If true, more ineptitude on the behalf of Corbyn's team. Hope this doesn't detract from the fact that train companies are one of the biggest rip off merchants going in this country. The Northern Line train carriages, serving two of the biggest cities in the country, wouldn't look out of place in a BBC period drama from the earlier 20th century. Cunts have no problem charging ever increasing prices for using them though. Virgin charges up to £140 for the Liverpool to London journey so they can fuck off as well.

If that fails, a dirty protest against Ben Bradshaw wouldn't go amiss.

Like Neil said, I reckon if you contact them you'd be allowed in. Historically CLP meetings have been a mess with little member engagement, the last thing they should be doing is turning away new members who have become engaged in the party. If you do go, I'd be interested to see your opinion on them. Friends of mine who have attended have said they've always been mind numbingly boring, bogged down by inconsequential topics rather than discussing party policy for local and national issues.

Scrambler bikes are all the go now. Lids racing them down the street, pulling wheelies in front of the police before taking them on a wild goose chase through north Liverpool. Honestly one of the worst trends going at the moment.

One on Roscoe Street has scaffolding all up round it, assume it's being done up.

Anyone know when The Grapes is back open?

Good points. It's going to be a tough ask for Labour to convince people to participate, especially due to people having a multitude of other concerns in their everyday life. I have to imagine that Labour's strategists are working on a plan now, as four years until our next general election is not a long time.

Interesting. It may have already been done, but research into how varied people's family/friends are in relation to political outlook would be interesting. The key aspect you touched on here is that you'd be willing to engage with these people; Labour will have to mobilise the new members into a movement that is also willing to engage with the population. Whether or not people are swayed by their family/friends arguments is another aspect that would have to be looked at. Sorry, I think I made my point poorly. I wouldn't dismiss it, indeed I would place harnessing social media and the internet at the top of Labour's agenda - something I think Tom Watson was meant to implement. However, whilst the growth in membership is great I fear that many will just think their job is done by joining and leave it at that. They may make the odd post on social media, have discussions/arguments with friends on social media but never truly engage with the wider populace. Getting people out canvassing, engaged with social media, involved with internet campaigns and talking to various sections of British society needs to be one of Labour's key strategies - not just have 100,000s of new members content because they won the leadership vote.

I'm not sure on the figures or class breakdowns, but I think the SNP is a good case study for this point. Their membership numbers exploded and attracted a wide range of people from different backgrounds, but crucially the membership remained highly active. I think diversity is the crucial aspect in this Stu. Taking your example of Facebook or your friend circle, would it not mostly be an echo chamber of views? Whereas canvassing reaches out to people who you/the party would otherwise normally not connect with.

True. I don't think it's attracting members from the working class though, the key demographic it needs. I think a New Statesman article had the membership at 75% of ABC 1 category. Whilst the membership grows, it is not especially diverse. Nor are they active members, they'll join to vote then not canvass for the party making it essentially useless. Also, and I appreciate this in anecdotal evidence, friends of mine who have attended their CLPs recently have told me that there's a a toxic minority that have put people off speaking out at the meetings, especially when debating the motion of no confidence for Corbyn. People being heckled or shouted down for legitimate grievances is not a conducive way to attract people into a movement.

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